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np...glad i could help, man.
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Ok I do understood correct. But i'll be in Boost showing whatever measly #'s i'm getting and my WGDC is at 0 during WOT after the initial big spool up. That's what I don't get...
You are overthinking this one man, a waste gate duty cycle of 0 means that no boost is being bled off and all of it is going into the engine and out the exhaust the way it is intended. If the waste gate was opening then the duty cycle would show 5, 15, or whatever percent it needs to bleed off in order to achieve its load targets. A wgdc of 0 is a good thing when you nail it.
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GOTCHA! Ok, I finally got it. I'm sorry guys.

What's interesting also is, since i've installed the TS BPV, my idle LTFT's are down to +6.8 instead of +9.4 with the stock BPV. This means what? My stocker was leaking for sure?
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that's not a terribly big difference, and it could be a temporary variance due to outside temps or something. i wouldn't read into that change too much, since i see +/- 2-3% of idle LTFT variance from a warm vs cold day.
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figured i would post an update since i have put another 100 miles since my last post. My wot ltft's have settled to 5.5, light throttle is about 2%, and decel and idle are both at 0%. much better than before. They will probably keep falling as time goes on.
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Approx the last two pages of posts about WGDC have a lot of incorrect info, from like post 65 on.
WGDC is not a direct measure of what the wastegate is doing, it is what the ecu is doing with the Wastegate solenoid valve in an attempt to control boost via the WG. It is not a direct measure of wastegate activity/movement.

With WGDC of 0% the car will run a maximum of spring pressure boost regulated by your right foot, it is not an unboosted 4 banger, any boost in excess of spring pressure is rest bled off as the WG is pushed open when boost overcomes the spring.
As WGDC increases the solenoid opens and allows some pressure..................... oh i dunno why I am typing this out......

read the ATR help file, in particular "How Mazda’s 2.3L DISI Turbo Factory Boost Control System Works" its all in there.
No need for me to retype it

A lot of BS in the last couple pages is all I am trying to say.
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Could you instead just write what you should/should not want to see with WGDC? I don't have a copy of ATR, nor do I tune the car/have an ap.
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I've got an SU (TurboSmart) BOV, that has both recirc and VTA ports. I've been planning on blocking off the VTA and going full recirc. I need to read John's post in detail, but, I guess, I'm not quite sure what the end recommendation was?
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Could you instead just write what you should/should not want to see with WGDC? I don't have a copy of ATR, nor do I tune the car/have an ap.
I dont have time right now, its late and I was up early which is why I sound like an asshole........ Im tired.
I have attached the ATR help file, read pages 13-17 carefully, it tells you everything you need to know.

What you will see in your WGDC numbers will vary depending on your mods, the way you drive the car, and the tune or lack thereof.
If you dont have ATR dont look at it, there is nothing you can do about it, so why sweat something you cant change?
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Originally Posted by Addikted To Boost View Post
figured i would post an update since i have put another 100 miles since my last post. My wot ltft's have settled to 5.5, light throttle is about 2%, and decel and idle are both at 0%. much better than before. They will probably keep falling as time goes on.
awesome...it sounds like your car is acting like it should now...=d

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Approx the last two pages of posts about WGDC have a lot of incorrect info, from like post 65 on.
WGDC is not a direct measure of what the wastegate is doing, it is what the ecu is doing with the Wastegate solenoid valve in an attempt to control boost via the WG. It is not a direct measure of wastegate activity/movement.

With WGDC of 0% the car will run a maximum of spring pressure boost regulated by your right foot, it is not an unboosted 4 banger, any boost in excess of spring pressure is rest bled off as the WG is pushed open when boost overcomes the spring.
As WGDC increases the solenoid opens and allows some pressure..................... oh i dunno why I am typing this out......

read the ATR help file, in particular "How Mazda’s 2.3L DISI Turbo Factory Boost Control System Works" its all in there.
No need for me to retype it

A lot of BS in the last couple pages is all I am trying to say.
whoops...i stand corrected. i've never really dived into the WGDC mapping, so i never bothered to completely clarify my knowledge on the subject...now i will make sure to correct that...=d

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Originally Posted by FreeFlyFreak View Post
Approx the last two pages of posts about WGDC have a lot of incorrect info, from like post 65 on.
WGDC is not a direct measure of what the wastegate is doing, it is what the ecu is doing with the Wastegate solenoid valve in an attempt to control boost via the WG. It is not a direct measure of wastegate activity/movement.

With WGDC of 0% the car will run a maximum of spring pressure boost regulated by your right foot, it is not an unboosted 4 banger, any boost in excess of spring pressure is rest bled off as the WG is pushed open when boost overcomes the spring.
As WGDC increases the solenoid opens and allows some pressure..................... oh i dunno why I am typing this out......

read the ATR help file, in particular "How Mazda’s 2.3L DISI Turbo Factory Boost Control System Works" its all in there.
No need for me to retype it

A lot of BS in the last couple pages is all I am trying to say.

my bad i guess my understanding of it was off...thanks for clarifying
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I figured, understanding WGDC would help me figure out why the hell my car won't boost consistently at or above 15psi. I'm sure the answer is "lack of tune". But I know of plenty of MS3's with stock tunes and intake/BPV combos that run 16psi or higher.
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I figured, understanding WGDC would help me figure out why the hell my car won't boost consistently at or above 15psi. I'm sure the answer is "lack of tune". But I know of plenty of MS3's with stock tunes and intake/BPV combos that run 16psi or higher.
shit mine has always topped out right around 15, but it will not hold only for a second or two, then it tapers down pretty steady. It does spike to 19 or 20 beforehand though as my boost gauge has told me numerous times.
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Mine spikes to 20-21 with the TS BPV now, but settles down fairly quick.

Oh well. This ATR has tons of info, man! I love learning this stuff. Problem is, it makes me more curious to dare trying to mess with stuff lol. I think i'll stick to bolt-on's.
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As far as boost control, I'm hoping that John's WGA will help. I'm installing it now.
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After reading that ATR guide, why can't we just modify the restrictor pill to a tiny degree? Seems like a fair easy thing to do, with some benefits? Better than tweaking the Wastegate rod.
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Ok, so I finally got a 5th-to-6th data log real quick on my way to work, and FINALLY got my dashhawk working on my vista pc.

How can I export it into an Excel file? Or how would you like me to post it? Just post the file itself?
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This thread is really helpful, I don't have a BPV but for the AFR discussion I've learned some things.
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Ok im going to chime in on this topic. there are a couple of things i see that are missing. STFT dictate what LTFT will be in the giving tables. in the sense of running problems like being rich or lean you can instantly tell this from STFT as stated LTFT keeps the AFR at the right target but it takes the ecu learn cycles to adjust the LTFT. STFT is the current need of fuel based on 4 to 5 sensors readings at that certain time. MAF, AFR, MAP, ECT, And Throttle postion. so in terms of bpv this can skew LTFT due to improper readings of the other sensors causing STFT to add to much fuel or take it away.
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so i read every post on this thread twice im still alittle confused on this topic can someone breka it down easier for me? Also are ya saying even with a hybrid bov my fuel conspution will drop and backfire i just want something that isnt going to destroy my car any advice for a product out there that is safe? And after reading this im afraid to do any mods to the car?
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don't get too panicked about all this. the reality of the matter is that if you get a hybrid bov, you will be more likely to backfire/sputter on shifts as compared to a fully recirculated bpv, but less likely than a fully VTA valve. how much you backfire just depends on how it all works out on your car. it is important to be on the lookout if you're changing how the stock bypass valve system works, though. the most obvious things to look out for are backfires on shifts and WOT running even richer than normal (lol...).

if you want to try a hybrid bpv, go for it...but go into it knowing that it might not run as well as stock, and you may want to switch back in the future. if you want to be safe, get a fully recirculating valve, and you shouldn't have any troubles (as long as you set the spring tension to something sane). i would recommend the turbosmart BPV (the one for like 150 from SU) or forge bpv (v1 or v2 will do) if you're going to go with a fully recirc valve.
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don't get too panicked about all this. the reality of the matter is that if you get a hybrid bov, you will be more likely to backfire/sputter on shifts as compared to a fully recirculated bpv, but less likely than a fully VTA valve. how much you backfire just depends on how it all works out on your car. it is important to be on the lookout if you're changing how the stock bypass valve system works, though. the most obvious things to look out for are backfires on shifts and WOT running even richer than normal (lol...).

if you want to try a hybrid bpv, go for it...but go into it knowing that it might not run as well as stock, and you may want to switch back in the future. if you want to be safe, get a fully recirculating valve, and you shouldn't have any troubles (as long as you set the spring tension to something sane). i would recommend the turbosmart BPV (the one for like 150 from SU) or forge bpv (v1 or v2 will do) if you're going to go with a fully recirc valve.
OKAY another question on the turbosmart from street unit it ask standard pressure 10-20 and then high pressure 20-25 i no im not pussing high but is standard okay to get
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unless you're running some ECU tuning that really pushing it hard, your not going to be running high pressure. i would definitely stick with the standard pressure spring if i were you.
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okay 1 last question thanks for info um Vacuum Line Color and Colored Recirc. Tube is there a pic where i can see this so i can pick a color
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lol...you're going to have to ask SU about that. i'm sure they will have pics that they can link for you as samples.
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FWIW, I got the SU hybrid, but, had problems with some backfires, so, I switched it to fully recirc. It costs more money than one that only offers recirc, so that's extra money for nothing. If I was buying again, I'd do like Sacrilicious says and get either the Turbosmart or Forge recirc only units.
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FWIW, I got the SU hybrid, but, had problems with some backfires, so, I switched it to fully recirc. It costs more money than one that only offers recirc, so that's extra money for nothing. If I was buying again, I'd do like Sacrilicious says and get either the Turbosmart or Forge recirc only units.
okay yes im looking into turbosmart bpv im not a fan of the ping sound the forged one gives off i done like it
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sacrilicious- do you have a contact phone number to ask some detailed questions about BOVs or BPVs so I dont clog up the forum w/ dumb newbie questions.....context is
newbie with 2008 MS3 GT, 17K miles ( daily " Sunday "driver, o/w I take the beast- a 91 Toyota Landcruiser w/ 175k miles); upgrades thus far are AEM CAI and CPE downpipe
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don't worry about sounding like a noob. some of these questions keep getting repeated anyway, so we may as well put them out there.

BPV: use the forge v2 bpv or turboxs bpv (not the compact hybrid BOV)

OCC: yes, get one and install like any number of how-to's listed on this and other sites.

CPE rear mount...60 duro if you really want to keep it comfortable, and 75 if you don't mind some vibe.

imo, don't bother with springs and cambers...getting springs are the cheap alternative to getting coils, but the irony is that it starts getting more expensive when you start blowing through shocks way faster than normal.
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Hi Sacrilicious, just installed the RMM from CPE and OCC, it came together great and has a much more solid feel. I sort of ditched the idea of the Eibach springs after your comment and figured you would probably say the same thing about any sort of sway bar additions...any thoughts or experience on changing out pulleys? my friend loves his performance gain on his BMW M3 which just got a new pulley set...
I'm basically looking at affordable bolt-on mods and so far been staying away from NOS and Tuning options(ie Cobb) mostly out of intimidation and fear of hurting the car( not to mention cost)...but am willing to consider all thoughtful options if you have any other reccs...this is starting to get addicting. thanks again for your help, beis
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Hi Sacrilicious, just installed the RMM from CPE and OCC, it came together great and has a much more solid feel. I sort of ditched the idea of the Eibach springs after your comment and figured you would probably say the same thing about any sort of sway bar additions...any thoughts or experience on changing out pulleys? my friend loves his performance gain on his BMW M3 which just got a new pulley set...
I'm basically looking at affordable bolt-on mods and so far been staying away from NOS and Tuning options(ie Cobb) mostly out of intimidation and fear of hurting the car( not to mention cost)...but am willing to consider all thoughtful options if you have any other reccs...this is starting to get addicting. thanks again for your help, beis
good to hear that the cpe mount is treating you so well!

i actually highly recommend the rear sway bar. it will help to kick out your tail a bit and give you a bit more oversteer...bringing the car a bit closer to neutral. the install is really easy and there really isn't a drawback. the front sway bar, on the other hand, is a PITA to install, and it actually adds to understeer. it reduces body roll, which is good, but i don't feel like the added understeer is worth the tradeoff.

i really have no experience with aftermarket pulleys, but i do know that i don't think i've heard of anyone messing with it. intuitively, i wouldn't bother with it simply because the monstrous torque that FI generates should really amortize the parasitic cost of driving an accessories belt. the M3 relies a lot on revving the shit out of the motor and taking advantage of gearing, which likely causes increasingly greater tq loss as the motor revs higher and higher. our motors don't even rev up to 7k (hell, you should be shifting by 5500rpms anyway), so who the hell cares?

as far as NOS and the AP go, i REALLY wouldn't recommend NOS, because that's probably going to blow you the hell up. the AP, on the other hand, should be a very good option. if you run the MSCAIv2 (which are made by AEM anyway) maps, it should work just fine for your AEM CAI.

if reliability is your first priority, i would recommend doing a custom tune using either access tuner race (free DIY tuning software) or protuner (pay a tuning shop) to smooth out the power delivery of the OTS maps that cobb provides. (imo, it's a little too raw as shipped) if you need help tuning it yourself, there are plenty of us on these forums that can give you a hand. if you live anywhere near the DC metro area, we can just meet up sometime and i'll run you through the process in person and help you get rolling. remember: the tune can be whatever the hell you want it to be, so as long as you're willing to learn, you should be able to get exactly what you want from the ECU.

finally, i recommend buying the AP used...it works just as well as a brand new one, and only costs like $450 these days. regardless, i guarantee that you will have a blast with it...
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Sacrilicious, not very good at this whole posting thing, otherwise, I would have emailed directly, so everyone please forgive this newb post being in the wrong spot, but in consideration of our ongoing discussion....the BPV is probably going to be the next item along with perhaps a cobb antisway in the rear....but considering more closely your reccs and my recent reads on tuning....Is a visit to a protuner( dont know of any in the harrisonburg va area) something that would require multiple visits, or more of a one stop re-tune based on the mods currently installed...that being said, if a "buddy" with AP availability could get his hands on my car, is it something that could be retuned on a "fixed" profile....or is this tuning pursuit the type of mod where I would constantly being fussing with different profiles based on the driving habit of the day? Sorry for my ignorance, but either option is a fairly decent investment and I want to get it right...ie- do my anticipated mods first, than tune....and if possible, just get a one stop shop retune that I wont have to mess with again...let me know your thoughts or email me directly at beissinger @ Gmail . COM
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the short version is that if you want the car to run as smoothly as it could, you should wait until you're done with your major modding before tuning it. the OTS maps aren't really the best permanent maps to run, imo, because they're a little too aggressive and raw, imo. once you make a tune for your car, though, you should not have to fool around with it. unless you go to a shitty tuner or do a bad job tuning the car, the tune should be usable 24/7...365 days a year.

as far as how you get the tune: since you're so close to fairfax va, i can give you a hand learning the basics of ATR so that you can tweak the OTS maps enough to iron out the roughness. if that doesn't feel right either, you can research a protuner in the NoVA area when the time comes, but until then, you should probably start off with the OTS maps followed by tweaking with ATR.
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hrrm...not sure what to tell you about your LTFTs, addikted...it's hard to tell whether you have a slight leak somewhere in your intake or not. have you tried cleaning your MAF sensor (not the teardrop thing, but the 2x resistors way up the tube)? a dirty MAF sensor can cause your LTFTs to go up.
Can you explain this for me. I've been cleaning the teardrop all this time. Doh! lol
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there's actually two sensors in the MAF "sensor" assembly. the teardrop is the IAT sensor, and there's two really small resistors inside the assembly that make up the actual MAF sensor. these can be found like the hollow stalk of the MAF assembly. the tear drop is on the outside of the hollow stalk...the MAF sensor is up at the end of the hollow stalk if you tip the MAF assembly around and look all the way up the stalk.
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So just turn it upside down and spray the maf cleaner up in there? Or do I need to take it apart or anything? Thanks for the heads up btw.
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np...ya, just turn it upside down and spray the cleaner up into there. make sure to hit it with a few blasts to fully clean it out. i don't think you can actually take it apart even if you wanted to.
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Cool. Done it, along with cleaning the air filter and re-oiling my bpv, then re-tightned all boost related clamps. Reset my ecu to learn new trims. Car rums much better now.

I still have the problem of "surging" or as another poster called it "wavy pulling" in 5th and 6th gears. But it's pulling better now. Not as good as it used to, before the surging issue, but better.
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