Official 'smoking turbo' response from Mazda

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by ICNSYDU So if everyone is having the same problem, why do they not do a recall?

For one, they haven't decided on the fix. There is some possibility that they will do a recall when they've decided what to do.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by tvissues My thinking is if its building a pressure in the case and their claim is the valve cover is too big i don't think there would be a positive pressure built up because it would go out the valve cover. If there's too much air being sucked in the valve cover not allowing a strong enough vacuum, then obviously if there was any pressure in the crank it would reverse and just as much air would be pushed out the valve cover.

If this is your thinking, then you might be interested in KrankVents. I don't have test equipment to verify their claims. So, simply take the following as what they say, you can decide for yourself:

Okay, as you know, pistons move up and down, thousands of times a minute. Each up and down movement of a piston generates an air pulse. Now, wouldn't the pulses of pistons going up cancel the pulses of pistons going down? Not exactly, the air just doesn't jump from one cylinder and back. Rather, the pulses collide and make turbulence resulting in continuous pressure changes throughout the engine. The PCV is supposed to keep overall vacuum, but, there will be moments of pressure due to the pulses.

Ordinary PCV vales won't open/close several thousand times a minute. KrankVents can. (Supposedly... it might be nice to see a benchmark test to prove this.) So, when a pressure pulse hits the KrankVent, it opens and lets it out. When a vacuum pulse hits the KrankVent, it closes and keeps the vacuum in the crankcase. Again, in theory. a bench test of this would be good.

So, with a KrankVent installed, I do not use PTP's pill. I want to let the pressure pulses out, not restrict them with the pill.

So, my results? Well, the KrankVent vendor says you can tell they are working because when you pull the dipstick out, you can hear a suction sound. At least at idle, that works. I need to put my boost gauge on it so I can see if it really works at boost or not.

[ICNSYDU]

Well the dealer said they were gonna put a new turbo and something else in my car so regardless of what they do i will atleast have a new turbo...lol

[RUMBLEFISH]

All I know is the ptp pill worked for me and I smoked like a fucking crack whore. It took about 2 full weeks and now 20000 miles later no smoke. It's cheap easy to install and I would buy one again in a heartbeat even if they put a new turbo in.

Because Mazda has no fucking clue after what 3 years plus how to fix it?? I have heard the fix is on the way while this problem goes on and on. Who knows maybe ptp will sell the the pill make millions and retire in the islands with a boat load of sluts shipped in every week. Well thats what i would do anyways.

[ICNSYDU]

Originally Posted by RUMBLEFISH All I know is the ptp pill worked for me and I smoked like a fucking crack whore. It took about 2 full weeks and now 20000 miles later no smoke. It's cheap easy to install and I would buy one again in a heartbeat even if they put a new turbo in. Because Mazda has no fucking clue after what 3 years plus how to fix it?? I have heard the fix is on the way while this problem goes on and on. Who knows maybe ptp will sell the the pill make millions and retire in the islands with a boat load of sluts shipped in every week. Well thats what i would do anyways.

How did you get the ptp fix?

[RUMBLEFISH]

Originally Posted by ICNSYDU How did you get the ptp fix?

I bought this.

PT-Performance.com

[ICNSYDU]

whats with you avatar?

[ARES26]

Originally Posted by ARES26 I know, 1 POST? Two girls, wife and 14 hour days='s my fail. Anyways my 2008 MS3 is finally getting a new turbo. 3rd time was a charm. My shit has 36000 miles, and was produced 11/07. I had to fight like a banshee with the fucking dealership to finally get some shit done. It had been smoking like a muthafucker, only at the dreaded Idle. Well after 3 visits, and about 3 months, my turbo is being fixed. They said it will take four days. After this time , i'll post exactly what was done, for there was a slew of work to be had.......... Plus THIS TIME there paying for my 2010 F-150 supercrew rental.

Mazda dealership found that my seal on the exhaust side was leaving a skid mark in my d/p. This is exactly what I had told them the FIRST FUCKING TIME I had visited. Anyways, this shit was replaced....Revision "C" Turbocharger, T/C gasket, Nut/Flange, Gasket, A/F ratio sensor..mechanic fucked it up, and stock TIP....mechanic broke it. Dumb fuck. I did a inspection on the motor and found the intake side of the turbo to the I/C clamp wasn't tightened to the I/C hose. Shit was just chilling on the fucking turbo. Tightened that shit, and went through and recinched all the clamps. Other then that all other nuts seemed tight.... Pain in the ass, but worth the new snail..... No new pcv valve, as of yet.

[tvissues]

Originally Posted by Speedie6 If this is your thinking, then you might be interested in KrankVents. I don't have test equipment to verify their claims. So, simply take the following as what they say, you can decide for yourself: Okay, as you know, pistons move up and down, thousands of times a minute. Each up and down movement of a piston generates an air pulse. Now, wouldn't the pulses of pistons going up cancel the pulses of pistons going down? Not exactly, the air just doesn't jump from one cylinder and back. Rather, the pulses collide and make turbulence resulting in continuous pressure changes throughout the engine. The PCV is supposed to keep overall vacuum, but, there will be moments of pressure due to the pulses. Ordinary PCV vales won't open/close several thousand times a minute. KrankVents can. (Supposedly... it might be nice to see a benchmark test to prove this.) So, when a pressure pulse hits the KrankVent, it opens and lets it out. When a vacuum pulse hits the KrankVent, it closes and keeps the vacuum in the crankcase. Again, in theory. a bench test of this would be good. So, with a KrankVent installed, I do not use PTP's pill. I want to let the pressure pulses out, not restrict them with the pill. So, my results? Well, the KrankVent vendor says you can tell they are working because when you pull the dipstick out, you can hear a suction sound. At least at idle, that works. I need to put my boost gauge on it so I can see if it really works at boost or not.

hrmmm where to buy? and do these krankvents fit in the same location as the stock pcv? if so how did you get the stock one out of the crank breather cover, haven't spent much time looking at it but couldn't seem to get it out.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by tvissues hrmmm where to buy? and do these krankvents fit in the same location as the stock pcv? if so how did you get the stock one out of the crank breather cover, haven't spent much time looking at it but couldn't seem to get it out.

ET-Performance & Racing Products - Automotive - "Turbo Kit" for ALL Auto Engines

If you get it, tell them you want two of the 1/2", not one 1/2 and one 3/8.

I don't fully understand when you say "get the stock one out of the crank breather cover". The breather hose is at the top. The PCV is down below. And, it is indeed a bitch to get to. But, the vendor says to NOT remove your stock PCV, that for some reason the stock PCV gives better protection against backfire. I don't understand why, but that is what he says. So, you use the KrankVent in addition to the stock PCV. So, if you used it without putting in a catch can, you'd just remove the hose coming off the PCV to the IM, and put the KrankVent in there. With the arrow pointing towards the IM of course. And, if you did this, putting in a catch-can at the same time would make sense.

Note: when I installed the KrankVents, I got lots of smoke at first, and I never had a smoking problem! What was happening was, with the increased vacuum, I was sucking out accumulated oil. After a few minutes of driving, the smoking went away.

[tvissues]

sweet. will do. gotta replace my stock pcv valve on bottom. is there a direction to put the valves? and if you DID replace stock pcv. how'd you get it out?

[cpolly69]

there is a plate that is super tough to get to under the intake manifold - it's got several bolts all around the outside of it and all of them have to come off - i actually removed my intake manifold to get to it - if you had like hands like that guy on the burger kind commercial you could probably do it -
once you get the plate off the valve only goes in there one way - there is 1 level of baffle in there too

YouTube - BK's Tiny Hands Commercial

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[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by tvissues sweet. will do. gotta replace my stock pcv valve on bottom. is there a direction to put the valves? and if you DID replace stock pcv. how'd you get it out?

Well, yeah, PCV valves are directional. Just looking at PCV valves at the auto store, I see at least most are bigger on one end than the other. I don't know why, but, ours is as well, one end is 5/8" and the other is 1/2", or metric equivalents. So, putting it in the right direction won't be a problem, its obvious.

Just as a general rule, most cars you are supposed to replace PCV vales for maintenance every so many miles. I have no idea what the official recommendation is from Mazda for our car. But, they did not make it easy. See cpolly's info for more details.

[tvissues]

lol noooooooo. i got the crank cover off, and i know how to install one in the proper direction... i mean how do i get the damn valve out of the cover!? its got some weird clamp thing but i can't figure out how to get the stupid valve out!

[cpolly69]

there is no pcv valve in the valve cover - what are u talking about?

[tvissues]

nevermind i got it out. one just has to be careful with the cap that holds the valve in the cover. And i think i figured out my oil problem. The valve doesn't move as easily as a newer one and the valve is actually partially open at rest. So my guess is that at partial vacuum (highway cruising) that the check valve is not allowing proper suction of the crank thus why i have oil splurging out of my valvecover and into my intake system.

The cover i am talking about is the Crank case breather cover.

[cpolly69]

Originally Posted by tvissues nevermind i got it out. one just has to be careful with the cap that holds the valve in the cover. And i think i figured out my oil problem. The valve doesn't move as easily as a newer one and the valve is actually partially open at rest. So my guess is that at partial vacuum (highway cruising) that the check valve is not allowing proper suction of the crank thus why i have oil splurging out of my valvecover and into my intake system. The cover i am talking about is the Crank case breather cover.

sorry i was confused by what you wrote there - still tho - i highly recommend a 1 way check valve on the other side of that line coming of that pcv valve - i think it helps to prevent that condition you are talking about
Moroso 97800 Moroso Crankcase Evacuation System
i've used that one and it works great

[MattJackson86]

Well 38,000 miles and I just started smoking. Been running 5W40 for the last 15,000 miles since I put the DP on, so it seems it all just caught up to me. Last week I noticed oil all over my intercooler (leaking out the cold pipe gasket), then yesterday I started smoking. Confirmed the smoke today at idle after 3-4 minutes. Ordered the PTP pill and the bnoon bolt. Still debating about taking it to dealer for a new turbo or not first. Just wondering about how much crap I will get given my DP. The SM seemed pretty cool last time (and only time) I was in there, but still.

[cpolly69]

Don't go to the dealer with a dp. All sm's are cool with stuff until it comes down to "who is gonna pay" time. Dealer honoring warranty for turbo w/ dp is rare. Don't risk it.

[MattJackson86]

Yea I will see if the pill and bolt fix the issues (which sounds like it should). If not I see what to do then.

[cpolly69]

the ptp pill is something i'd recommend - as mazda has changed this on the newer gen2 ms3s, but as for the bolt i don't like anything about the idea of restricting the oil supply to your turbo -
the pcv flow is the issue - take your time and read more of this thread there are some good suggestions on what to do to make pcv work like it should

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by cpolly69 as for the bolt i don't like anything about the idea of restricting the oil supply to your turbo - the pcv flow is the issue

Bnoon generally seems to be a sharp guy and knows what he's talking about, but the idea of a restrictor bolt hasn't really jived with me either. Go with KrankVents and/or SilverDemon's crankcase evacuation system, and, I think most people should be good.

[MattJackson86]

Yea I am going to read more about these KrankVents as well.

[tvissues]

fyi i do believe the factory turbos have a restriction already in them. the restricto is really only necessary for an upgraded turbo. i have actually done tests on the oil supply to ensure safety as i too was unsure of such a suggestion. i posted result a while back on mazda3forums a while back at the end of 08 or so.

[MattJackson86]

So I installed the PTP pill at lunch time today. Drove 25 miles home and let it idle when I got home. Started smoking just as bad as usual after 8 minutes. Seemed to take a little longer (maybe) but the smoke was no better. I let it run for a minute or two to see if it was burning anything old off and would stop, but no such luck. So zero success with the ptp pill.

[darth vader]

I think the key is to take steps before it starts smoking, rather than after. One oil's coked on the turbine side shaft, it's a free pass for the oil following, as the seal can't work right anymore.

[MattJackson86]

Originally Posted by darth vader I think the key is to take steps before it starts smoking, rather than after. One oil's coked on the turbine side shaft, it's a free pass for the oil following, as the seal can't work right anymore.

I agree. Hence why I have been running 5W40 for the last 15,000 miles. I should have also installed the PTP Pill and other stuff before hand. Never researched it as I never had the issue.

[nyghtryder]

I think some found that it took the pill awhile, I forget how long but I seem to recall a week or two, before the smoking stopped. Run with it for while and if it doesnt work still pm me and ill take it off your hands.

[versyejr]

Well my MS6 has been smoking for a while now and I took it to Oaklawn Mazda and they've given me a rental car while they test the car to see possible fixes. The SM even went as far to tell me that Mazda may just pay for full synthetic oil changes until. So here we are, and by the way, my car is stock and I don't drive it hard. Maybe this looks like a job for "Action 7 news team." Will keep you posted. . .

[nyghtryder]

Oh its a job for them alright, but I highly doubt their going to touch this one.

Synthetic isnt going to fix anything either, the damage has probably been done.

[ICNSYDU]

Originally Posted by nyghtryder Oh its a job for them alright, but I highly doubt their going to touch this one. Synthetic isnt going to fix anything either, the damage has probably been done.

I agree

[diddiyo]

quick question. i have my first mods coming in and was thinking about getting the car checked thoroughly before putting them on. i have been using mobil 1 5w30 synthetic since the first oil change. right now i can't say my turbo is smoking but i was wondering if anybody had their turbo replaced just by telling them "hey i think my turbo is smoking can you check?" maybe they'd give me a new turbo before i put on the mods? lol.

[8.5MS3]

^^thats not going to happen

you could use a garden hose and fill your exhaust with water before you go in, so it looks like your smoking....

EDIT: wait dont do that, they may void you for driving the car in too humid of an environment

[diddiyo]

meh ok then. thanks.

going to CPE dyno day this weekend, it's gonna be tough to wait and have the car checked first and not to just put the shit on right then and there lol.

[8.5MS3]

Originally Posted by diddiyo meh ok then. thanks. going to CPE dyno day this weekend, it's gonna be tough to wait and have the car checked first and not to just put the shit on right then and there lol.

get a compression and leakdown test.

[amunre]

I'm smoking, and I'm wondering if it will mean anything that I've had every one of my scheduled oil changes done at the dealer in all of the car's 50k+ miles, and I believe that all but one of the service orders state that they used 5W-20... I'm not stock, but at the same time they are willing to take it in for a full day of "tests" based on the techs recommendation, after already trying the 5W-40 thing to no avail...

[diddiyo]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 get a compression and leakdown test.

stupid question, who would i talk to about that? the dealer?

[8.5MS3]

Originally Posted by diddiyo stupid question, who would i talk to about that? the dealer?

any good mechanic shop will do it. shouldnt cost more than 100. itll give you your compression in the cylinders, and check your intake/exhaust valves for leaks.

could always just play dumb:

Cars been feeling sluggish
Noticed some blue smoke at startup
Runs rough

kinda the symptoms that would require that test

[ICNSYDU]

stupid question, so not only do i have smoke, my car stutters really bad in 2nd and 3rd when i get on the gas really hard and the turbo kicks in, is that part of the problem people have been having?

[8.5MS3]

Originally Posted by ICNSYDU stupid question, so not only do i have smoke, my car stutters really bad in 2nd and 3rd when i get on the gas really hard and the turbo kicks in, is that part of the problem people have been having?

sounds like your fuel pump is taking a shit. need to get/borrow a dh and take some logs to see whats going on