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Default Seeking BNR Stage 1 Turbo User Experiences

So, I've got a smoking K04 turbo finally after 135,000 miles. It's a rebuilt one after the OEM one had a compressor vane strike the housing and break the vane. The rebullt K04 lasted two years and is now smoking. I've been happy with power from the K04 on my modest tune. I'm not interested in big turbo or in a different tune. The engine is otherwise strong with static compression of 185 on three cylinders and 175 on #3 with no leak down concerns.

What I am interested in is experience with the BNR Stage 1 turbo which seems to be a hybrid K04 with Garrett GT 28 series guts. It's supposed to be plug and play on stock tune or other mild tunes.

Is it truly plug and play? Were there any install issues? Did it cure the "smoking turbo" problem? How has it held up?

I plan on keeping this car for a long time.

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I'll be forthright in that I have no experience with the S1. It sounds like you're pretty happy with the overall performance of the K04 and have no real interest of moving past that power range. If that's the case, stick with a K04. You can do the same for less by going that route.

Now, if your thought process is I like the power range of the K04 but could see myself wanting a little extra, the S1 won't cover it. My suggestion would be to bump up to an S3, CS turbo or GT28 series and tune it for the same power as the K04 and have the added benefit that should you get complacent with the tune/power, you have the extra room to grow.

With that said, the S1/S3, CS turbo and GT28 series are all going to be basically plug and play. I think the GT28 series may require a little more effort since they aren't being produced with the speed3 as its target market like the BNR and CS turbos are. If you want a truly plug and play turbo, the K04 is the only one.
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From everything I've seen on here it is fully plug and play. It won;t smoke because it;s no longer a K04. Its one of those thing though, you will have to hunt for one, then pay $600 for it and hope the hypertech can cope and make the same power as a K04, or you can find a S3 for $700 +/- and maybe grab an AP v2 for $200. so for an extra $300 or so you can haz 400 donkeypowers. Just sayin.
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I have no experience to share with a S1. Though I find myself in the same situation. Smoking turbo and stock block with 109K on it. I'm happy with the current power/freektune, and as much as I want a BNRS4v2 I am naturally quite hesitant.

I need this motor to last as a built block is not in the cards. I like the idea of a BNR S3 tuned to stock or a bit more power level as @WAMBUSHHHH!; suggested. I don't want to get anxious everytime I go WOT and wonder if a rod is going to vent my block.

Whatever route you go keep us posted on the result.
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Honestly, I think the OP is going to be hard pressed to find someone who opted for the S1. For the money, the S1 is just marginalized by the fact you can spend less for a K04 that is nearly identical in performance to the S1 or you can spend a little extra and get a turbo that is way more capable and can be tuned to perform much like the k04/S1 if desired. All those turbos are going to be similar in install as well so of all the choices, the S1 just seems to be the odd man out.
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Thanks. I do not want to have to custom tune with AP or go Versatune. Now that ATR is user dead, I have no interest in AP.

I want a smoke free turbo that will run on my Hypertech, stock turbo compatible tune.

I've just about maxed out the K04 with my intake and catless 3" dp/rp - 300 whp/300 torque. I'm doing 13.2 quarters at 107 now. That's enough.

I really don't need more power. I just want a compatible turbo that will not smoke that will be plug and play and work with my mods without different tuning. I was hoping BNR 1 would do the trick.
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Honestly, the more I learn about turbos, the less impressed I am with the BNRs.
I don't think there's anything substantially better about the seals in the BNR, they use the same design as the K04- but it does use a larger gt28 turbine wheel, which should produce a smaller pressure ratio across the turbine. I would imagine that being subject to less pressure would help the seals longevity.

An alternative to the BNR is this:
Bolt-On 350HP Upgrade MAZDASPEED 3 6 MPS CX7 CX9 K04 Turbo

It uses a turbine wheel that is only a hair smaller than the GT28, and a higher trim 11 bladed compressor wheel which is similarly sized to the BNR S1. Based on the knowledge of garrett's GTX turbos, the 10 bladed design should design should provide a little extra efficiency when asked to produce high boost (lower BATs at high pressure), and slightly faster spool.

It also uses the K04 CHRA and housings, so there's no question it will bolt up.
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Honestly, the more I learn about turbos, the less impressed I am with the BNRs.
I don't think there's anything substantially better about the seals in the BNR, they use the same design as the K04- but it does use a larger gt28 turbine wheel, which should produce a smaller pressure ratio across the turbine. I would imagine that being subject to less pressure would help the seals longevity.

An alternative to the BNR is this:
Bolt-On 350HP Upgrade MAZDASPEED 3 6 MPS CX7 CX9 K04 Turbo

It uses a turbine wheel that is only a hair smaller than the GT28, and a higher trim 11 bladed compressor wheel which is similarly sized to the BNR S1. Based on the knowledge of garrett's GTX turbos, the 10 bladed design should design should provide a little extra efficiency when asked to produce high boost (lower BATs at high pressure), and slightly faster spool.

It also uses the K04 CHRA and housings, so there's no question it will bolt up.
Does anyone have an experience with this? Also, I'm guessing it's rated at 350 crank hp?
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Does anyone have an experience with this? Also, I'm guessing it's rated at 350 crank hp?
That HP rating, just ignore it. It's larger than a k04 and smaller than an S3.
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You are not wanting to have to custom tune with AP, because ATR is user dead? Hypertech is and was user dead from it inception. Your car would love you, if you gave her an upgrade and custom tune.

I remember when I got my Hypertech and swore by it; told myself an AP and custom tune would put my car in danger. But, to each, his own. I am BNR S4 now and at 154k. My car is in tip top shape. She loves me and I love her.
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You are not wanting to have to custom tune with AP, because ATR is user dead? Hypertech is and was user dead from it inception. Your car would love you, if you gave her an upgrade and custom tune.

I remember when I got my Hypertech and swore by it; told myself an AP and custom tune would put my car in danger. But, to each, his own. I am BNR S4 now and at 154k. My car is in tip top shape. She loves me and I love her.
Please don't derail my thread. I respect your point of view. I know you are trying to help. All I want is 300/300 and I have that with my mods and tune. I just want a turbo that does not require a custom tune (AP OTS maps are a step backward and we all know they are shitty), that is plug and play and will not smoke.
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Not a thing all trying to derail your thread. Last time I checked, we were entitled to make opinions and have discussions. My apologies.
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Not a thing all trying to derail your thread. Last time I checked, we were entitled to make opinions and have discussions. My apologies.
Understood and appreciated. No prob. Just trying to get the info requested in the thread title.
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