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The front diff carrier / tranfercase interaction was discussed some 20 posts ago.

The front diff carrier spins at the same rate as the rear diff...since they are mechanically synced up with the clutch engaged.

Now that you've seen how it all connects, the parts breakdown exploded view should make much more sense with the passenger side intermediate shaft running inside a hollow transfercase shaft.
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Originally Posted by KevinK2 View Post
By "diff" you you mean the carrier that the ring gear is attached to, in this case ? If so:

For any diff, front or rear, when you turn the outer wheel spins faster than the inside wheel. The outer half shaft spins faster than the inside one. This applies to the side gears in the diff too. The diff can not be at the same speed as either side gear. If the car speed does not change in the turn, I believe the average rpm of the wheels is the diff rpm.

Your demo proved the average rpm of the wheels is the diff rpm.

A quick google should help out here.

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That is correct.
Simple experiment: Hold one axle still, spin the other axle. The diff will spin 1/2 the rotations, proving 1 wheel can spin faster than the diff and further showing the diff speed is the average speed of both axles.
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It does spin at the average. Just confusing myself, I said it was the average in the last discussion, and it still is haha.

Still doesn't bode well for the rear diff clutch pack since I can spin a front tire pretty easily.

Got a reply from Shaikh with good info. I should have the dampers sent out this week and decide on a couple minor changes to go with them.
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Is it the rear diff LSD clutch pack or the AWD clutch pack?
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Is it the rear diff LSD clutch pack or the AWD clutch pack?
AWD clutch pack at the pinion is what I'm referring to.

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It does spin at the average. Just confusing myself, I said it was the average in the last discussion, and it still is haha.

Still doesn't bode well for the rear diff clutch pack since I can spin a front tire pretty easily.
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I agree, the center coupling's clutch pack could have worn discs, allowing more than expected spin at the inside front tire in a corner. But I'd be surprised if the control module is signaling for max lock at the coupling, during tight corners.

Any thoughts on bench testing the current and replacement couplings?


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Steady state cornering, without braking or accel, the car doesn't lift either wheel. It's only when you get into the brakes or gas that they lift.

Dive and squat resistance need increased to combat this. I don't want to decrease roll resistance at any point. You'll end up increasing load on the front end by decreasing rear roll resistance, as well as increasing roll in the corner. More roll + more load = unhappy tire.

Car needs more dive/squat resistance, or decreased load transfer.
  • Lower the car more to decrease load transfer - that's pretty realistic and easy to accomplish.
  • Increase spring rates to increase dive/squat resistance - as long as the dampers are valved appropriately, I think this is going to happen.
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By now I think the dampers have been shipped out to get tuned for a lower, stiffer spring set. As you said, this should lower the CG and reduce the rear tire unload during braking when cornering. But just the increase in rates will not reduce unloading due to pitch, only the amount of pitch. It's just like with roll rates, you need to reduce the cg, and/or increase the wheelbase, to reduce weight transfer due to dive.

The rear tire lift could be due to:
1) stiff roll rates
2) lack of droop at the dampers --- I thought the piston rods were shortened.

If there were no rear bar, soft long-travel rear springs with adequate damper drop distance, the inboard rear tire would not lift, but with little rear roll rate the car would have terminal understeer. Your roll rates and their F/R balance work great for you, making it hard to make changes to keep the inside rear tire planted, other than a lower CG.

I had a rwd track car with high front roll rate, and it lifted the front tire ~2" off the track on a 90 mph corner at the limit. It had stock springs and a big front bar that transferred sprung weight faster that the rears bar and springs. There was not much squat due to the modest hp, and limited 4th gear pull.

Hopefully the lower CG will delay or eliminate lift.


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These will be replaced with solid units. Total pain to get them out, but should be worth a little bit. Front subframe is all torn apart, rear to follow the next weekend I'm home.



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These will be replaced with solid units. Total pain to get them out, but should be worth a little bit. Front subframe is all torn apart, rear to follow the next weekend I'm home.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but during a run that bushing never flexes that way, due to the high stiffness of the frame and sub-frame that it connects together.

The oem goal was for minimum NHV (harshness) so like most stock suspension bushings, the bolted joint is isolated with rubber. That allows some vertical give, as well as side to side and front to back give.

The advantage of solid mounts for racing is to eliminate any "give" that may affect suspension positions under loads of braking, accelerating, and cornering. The motion in your video shows the presence of this rubber isolation that allows give, but is not an indication of an actual deformed shape when driving. A new oem bushing would flex in that same way with the same prying loads.


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Of course they don't see a torque like that. I was barely applying any force, maybe 20 lbft in that video, and the deformation was what you saw. They are very, very soft, and I'm sure they contribute to camber loss from lateral loads.

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Of course they don't see a torque like that. I was barely applying any force, maybe 20 lbft in that video, and the deformation was what you saw. They are very, very soft, and I'm sure they contribute to camber loss from lateral loads.
I never questioned your knowledge of the benefit of solid mounts .... I even asked you to correct me if I was wrong. Simply tried to explain what happens, for those that may not know. Sorry for the confusion.


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I have a torsen LSD in the works. Should have it for the start of next season. More details next week.

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I have a torsen LSD in the works. Should have it for the start of next season. More details next week.
This project is a go. Deposit paid and the first CAD model is already finished. I spoke with the shop in person with the stock open differential in hand, and they're confident about the project. I'm going to drop off the 3 shafts that mate with the diff (axles and PTO output) this week and that should allow them to better measure the splines for the diff.

12 week delivery time, but I'm hoping that will improve.

There's also some GOOD potential for transfer case strengthening, as the company also has experience in this realm. That's a separate project at this point, and one that can finish later than the diff since I can always swap a tcase in a few hours.



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This project is a go. Deposit paid and the first CAD model is already finished. I spoke with the shop in person with the stock open differential in hand, and they're confident about the project. I'm going to drop off the 3 shafts that mate with the diff (axles and PTO output) this week and that should allow them to better measure the splines for the diff.

12 week delivery time, but I'm hoping that will improve.

There's also some GOOD potential for transfer case strengthening, as the company also has experience in this realm. That's a separate project at this point, and one that can finish later than the diff since I can always swap a tcase in a few hours.



Next year might be more exciting than I thought!
I know I wasn't in for the LSD just yet, but count me in for a strengthened t-case.
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Please take a closer look at the rear diff on the 6. Even if you have had it in your hand.
The 6 already has a rear LSD. Not an open one.
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While I have a few big projects going on, I'm taking the downtime to do some smaller maintenance items.

When I pulled the engine, I found the rear main seal to be leaking. I'll clean that up and swap in a new one. Not sure why this one failed, I've done several and this has been the only one to leak. I'm going to pull the pan and reseal the entire seam.

New clutch! The first version of the FX400 that I ran was incredible. Very little pedal travel required and it worked like a champ for 2 seasons. The updated pressure plate required less force, but required nearly every bit of available pedal travel to work. I've never liked the updated version, so I'm swapping over to an ACT 6 puck with prolite flywheel.

Exhaust mani is getting coated by Swain Tech. I just saw they charged my card, so I think I'll have it back soon.

New brake lines. I've had the same braided stainless lines on the car for about 5 years, and the teflon cover isn't looking good in a few spots. I'm just going to swap all 4 corners out for new ones.

Going to a fixed mount driver's seat and getting rid of the adjusters. The sliders are heavy, and we found out that we can have the same seating position and get by. I'm going to raise the seat ~1" from where it is now.



This week I'm going to pull the rear subframe and get measurements for the bushings. I'm planning to do solid aluminum on both the front a rear subframes.


Edit: I'm also prepping the current TCase with upgraded bearing caps and new seals.
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Exhaust manifold is finished. It's a very coarse, thick finish. Hopefully drops under hood temps a bit to make things easier to work on between runs. I'm planning to have the downpipe reworked before the season begins and I'll have it coated, as well.

Getting wheels has been a pita. I've ordered from 2 places that had them "in stock", only to find out they don't have them. May have to special order them but that puts delivery out to February. That will probably be OK, I can always run the first event on the Bridgestones if needed.

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Wheels are in. The 2nd company made things right and found the wheels at a 3rd place. Not the color I wanted, but beggers can't be choosers I suppose. I'm undecided if I'll have them painted or just run them in this obnoxious color scheme.

The next weekend I have free is MLK weekend. Plenty of work to do, now including a test fit of these with the 315/30 (pictured).

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Front subframe bushings.

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I had posted before how there is a ton of adjustment in front subframe. IIRC the bushings are slotted and the subframe holes were slotted? I always worried I would not alight the subframe correctly when reinstalling. Thou now my bolts are seized in the frame so I have not even been able to remove but will need to some day.

Never made sense to me but assume if the eccentric washers for the bolts in FLCA did not fix alignment then the subframe could be moved if both were off the same direction...IDK.

Were the slots in the subframe as well? Either way these should center it and assume thats best so long as subframe is straight.

What were the slots for?
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I had posted before how there is a ton of adjustment in front subframe. IIRC the bushings are slotted and the subframe holes were slotted? I always worried I would not alight the subframe correctly when reinstalling. Thou now my bolts are seized in the frame so I have not even been able to remove but will need to some day.

Never made sense to me but assume if the eccentric washers for the bolts in FLCA did not fix alignment then the subframe could be moved if both were off the same direction...IDK.

Were the slots in the subframe as well? Either way these should center it and assume thats best so long as subframe is straight.

What were the slots for?
The rear left bushing, in stock form, has a cross-car slot. All others are round. I've left those hole dimensions in the bushings the same so that I could have adjustment in the subframe - I've never had it shift.

I have corrected cross-camber by shifting the subframe slightly. Works great.
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