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yup AFAIK wei only ordered a few MS3 sets so if you want one give them a call. they should be in by the end of this month
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I can maintain stock ride height you say? Somewhat interested. How many MS6s are running this?
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i'm thinking of ordering a set of the S3 (they're only 30 dollars more than the S1, so that is worth it), but i would like to see some dyno posts (i would not know how to read them, but hopefully i'll ready everyone else's input on the results). Also, i spoke with Wei and the shipment should arrive first or second week in May. |
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yes wei told me hopefully by the 6th
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any luck with they dyno sheet?
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im interested in these. i was going to go fortune auto but when they dropped us i decided on just getting koni fsd. i know odd. awaiting dyno.
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these are set to arrive at customs tomm!!! should have them by the end of the week hopefully. heres a little review from the BMW boards Sonic Tuning - S1 Adjustable Coilovers (e90/e92/e93) - Page 19 - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com
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Hey man, what's the word on these. My suspension is in a bad way and looking to grab something soon. I'm in the DC area too, maybe we can have a miny meetup and you can show them off.
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THESE FINALLY CAME IN TODAY!!!! they are being dropped off on friday @ roadracetechnologies.com for a dyno comparison between them, stock and BC's.
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Does he have any for an Ms6? I'm out for travel until next week, but pending the dyno and when I return from the trip, I'm think of grabbing a set. Sent from my HTC_Flyer_P512_NA using Tapatalk 2
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sub for results
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Hehehee... Do I get to haz superlowssexytime?
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I can't wait for these to come to market
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Subbed, especially if I can get these installed, car aligned, etc. all in one easy stop. Price looks gooood for the performance potential. Last car I had I had a terrible suspension experience, so it's the one thing I'd rather pay someone to do right..
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well RRT was fail they diddent have an adapter to mount the bottom of the shock to their machine and it was $300 for them to custom make one. wei is in cancun right now getting married but when he gets back next week hes going to send these out to some other place in NY that he knows has the right adapters for these.
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I had to have adapters made for my shocks. It's pretty normal to have to do that.
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i started install tonight with the fronts. ill finish tomm with the rear and make a new thread. already took TONS of picts haha
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ooo those look nice..
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So what happened to the shock dyno? Gave up on waiting for everything to fall in line and decided to just install the pretty shocks?
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nah, wei has another set that hes going to send out this week when he gets back from getting married lol. i did install them and will have impressions posted shortly havent posted them yet. gimmie some time haha
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i want...... nevermind I NEED THESE i have been on some blown fronts for like a month now and i hate it i want to know the price for the MS# ones so i can some some of my taxes money
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$899 or $999 with camber adjustment you can also pick them up since u live 2 miles away lol
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I'm happy with my Ksports for the price...a lot more support/parts availability with them and a proven part on the platform. Just watching this thread with all the set backs waiting for results would be enough to make me look elsewhere.
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what are these comparable to? h&r's but with more adjustment? or more like BC BR kind of quality? Im desperate for coils! |
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These aren't going to hold a candle to the h&r coilovers. Those come with bilsteins. But these aren't in the h&r price point either. Ultimately, you're gonna get what you pay for. There are of course exceptions to every rule.
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Sooooo..... How did these turn out??
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i LITERALLY got my rear springs installed yesterday and everything fits perfect. so far no complaints. sonic tuning is going to sign up for vendorship here in the next day and offer a group buy on these!!!! stay tuned
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I'm definitely up for a GB but I'm torn between these and the fat cat ones that may be coming out I guess it looks like it's all going to come down to price.
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It should all come down to dyno results.
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^ Agreed. As long as I can order these and not take a few months to get them, and the dyno results are good, I'll be in for a GB.
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Interesting... Autox did tell me I need real suspension...
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I think my struts might be taking a shit....coils?
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i believe he has 12 sets for Gen1, 4-6 for genpu and 1 set for MS6. he told me he was registering for vendor tonight and i dunno how long the application take to process by kevin but ill be your official MSF Sonic Tuning rep!!!
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