Count down begins!!
 

Will tomorrow play host to the first 11 second Speed6 or Speed3? Or will saturday be the day? Looks like we have a few guys gonna attempt it both days. Good luck to all and I hope someone does it. We will see how mother nature rolls the dice for all of us. Bring your game face and 11.99 doesnt count LOL I wanna see some 11.7s boys and some 116-120 traps.

Whos it gonna be? Roll call?

ps. Pics and vids or shit didnt happen!!!!!

Well i am stuck here at work and i have not completely finished my FMIC install and test drive it. My meth probably will not be finish as well. So i will do my best... I have the pipe ran i just need to do a once over and take here for a ride to make sure all the pipes hold. I am only going to try and run 21 psi as i have not had a chance to tune it. i will make some changes at the track so well will see...

Good luck to everyone that is shoot for the 11 mark!!! I think we have so viable players going for it!! Also i have the video camera ready!!!!

Gut the damn interior and put some 16s on that bitch with some 225/50/16 on there. Get the trap up and the added sidewall will aid in 60ft. Plus lose about 10lbs per corner in weight. Thats like 200-300lbs dead weight from the car. Rotational weight adds up real quick at the big end and the lighter the wheel the easier the 60ft will be. Just my experience.

Oh it will be gutted without a doubt!! The advan i have on there are 18lb wheels and the tires are 21 lbs so i think i have a pretty lightweight combo there!!! also with the 19 wheels it should help a little with the gearing for the top end. I also have my brembo with the lighter rotors..

I am not sure of how many changes i will do as i have not driven this set up yet... YEAAAAAAA i can go home now!!!!!! Just getting off work on the way home for another 1am install night!!!

Who's up tomorrow and who's up on Sat?

I heard that one douche bag that was the first to put the speed3 in the 12s was thinking about making a few passes saturday with a 3071r stuffed under the hood. I even heard the dumbass was gonna run 20psi and go for broke! Wish that guy luck. Apparently beast and his cliq are gonna be out there tomorrow rollin up fools. I better see some vids vs some evos and stis!

Good luck. That would be great if you were first to the 12s then first to the 11's....

Subbed for results. Good luck sirs!

well i had a couple of backouts at the last minutes so it will just be me and dadsracecar( jason) with his 335IX runniung tomorrow. I will try to represent as much as possible for the speed6's out there. Going to bring home the goal or the 11's. While i am doing that 311 will be holding it down for the speed3's..


Just got finished doing a once over of the car and going to wait til tomorrow to take her for her first ride since november. This is going to be interesting to say the least.. good luck driver but my sig will say it all!!

Cameras charging as i speak.....

hope this happens...it will be bad ass. If it doesnt I will give it my best shot when it get back...I gots the BT fever also...

Good luck fellas, you have 10,000+ forum members behind you(no homo) GET SOME!

Good luck guys!

FAIL.....not a good day best was a 12.4@110 with a 1.72 60ft with 17 psi. Only made 4 passes before i broke.... good luck driver311 take home the crown...more info on my day later

ok well i finish my intercooler set up about 10am friday morning after spending the last 3 days fabbing it. I wasnt able to install my 3 bar nor finish my meth install. So i get to the track about 12:30. After doing a couple of DH logs (will post later) of 3rd and 4th gear on the way to the track. The car was running really rich 10.9-11.1 and i was getting about 19-20 psi. i didnt have my laptop to make change so i had to wait til i caught up with him before i could do some tuning.

So i make my first pass...... FAIL FAIL FAIL i bogged badly and did a 14.0@109 with a 2.1 60ft

Second pass FAIL FAIL FAIL...... i bogged again badly and did a 2.0 60 ft with a 13.4@109

at this time i getting really pissed so i caught up with him and after viewing the logs of my runs i was only running 17-18 psi and my timing was about 10-11 degrees!!! So we tuned the car for were i was and was going to turn the boost up after i got my bogging under control. I go out and make my next pass and i get a 1.72 60ft with a 12.4@110!!!! I spun all for tires and the car cocked to the side and shot out like a rocket and i also believe i caught 2nd on that pass as well!!

So i am feeling really good so i run right back up there and try and run it again so that i can work on turning the boost up and then FAIL FAIL FAIL. while waiting for the guy to lay some fresh vht down i had to turn off my car thus forgetting to turn the traction control back off when i was ready to run. So you guys know what i did right.... CAR FELL ON ITS FACE AFTER LAUNCHING IT fail fail fail!!!

My last one for the day was a huge FAIL FAIL FAIL.... i figure that my bogging was from me dumping the clutch to hard so i was going to slip it out and BOOOOM my rear diff mount snapped in half!!! GAME OVER.....

The only thing i see that was good out of this was i was able to do my best time with 2 psi less boost... getting ready to order my new rear mount and going to finish my meth install and next i will be getting it tuned and upping the boost to 25 before i go back... GOOD LUCK DRIVER311...

heres the vid of my 12.4 pass

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...h_MVI_2413.jpg

Post vids!

also, massive dieting, and do the pull naked after you've thrown up and taken a shit

:popcorn: subbed!

Damn Charles, sorry to hear that brother. Kinda glad its still on the table though...especially since I watched the fastest in the world go from a 12.6 to 12.5 to 12.3 and I still haven't gotten a stab at it.

vid posted in previous post..


this time was also done with FULL INTERIOR.. My car currently weighs 3370!!

Were you running the stock rear diff mount?

The rear mount was stock but the front is a turbine tech..

You can blow on that thing and it will snap in half.. never seen the front mount break..maybe im wrong though.

I seem to remember telling you a while ago that thing as going to break... at least you backed up your time from the 12.3 though

Well it is next on the list of upgrades!!! I need a front engine mount as well. I'm not sure if I want the side one or not.. It is also time to get on the dyno as I still don't know what my real hp is.. I am starting to think this was why my car was bogging so much. This started back the last time I went to the track last year I started bogging off the line on my last 2 pass as seen in the video... Will find out once I get the new one installed

ha damn dude that launch was nice!

Charles - a present for you. Let me know when you want to take a look at things. I am free on weekends :)

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...1/DSC_0208.jpg

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How did the Beemer do?

I duno bout this..how much hp u got? Strip it completely and smaller rims less rotation who cares bout weight of them haha

I run 11.8s in the evo with 361hp stripped

Nice to see someone from Maryland getting serious about these cars. Do you ever head up to Capitol Raceway? I am up in Towson and will be heading down to Capitol as soon as I am not stock.

Nice launch man, I need some AWD!

My brother had a kid so I am down in Florida. I had to miss this one. Last time out at MIR I run 12.6x at 114 no meth and 12.1x at 118 with meth on 19" all seasons in the high 1.8x to low 1.9x 60fts. Only mods were intake and tune (and meth depending on the runs). FMIC is going back on next week most likely.

Meh Ms6 will never win a dick measuring contest against an evo BUT what he's doing is better then all other previous Ms6's up to this point so I'll tip my hat to him. I never thought I'd see the day an Ms6 would run low 12's and back it up. Good job man.

lol, you need a 2 step to stop trying to get lucky with fancy foot work on launches. I am pretty sure that your bogging issues are from that turbo and it not producing boost off the line. The only way to really combat it is a slower slipping of the clutch to create a load and build some boost...

So you've done it in your evo?

No what you getting at? I haven't been to the track in my car yet.

That's what I'm getting at.

Good run Charles.. i have a solution for you.. Check your PMs :)

Darkgums is just hating on the Speed 6.. He knows that one would whip his EVOs ass.:3some:

would me running a mid-low 12 in an evo really be that exciting or surprising?

but back on topic Charles what were your 330 and 1/8 times/traps. Not sure how much more you'll gain with out changing some variable be it weight, tune something. 1.7 in that tank of yours should be about as hard as you wanna push things with out risking breaking more drive train parts. Also be blessed your spinning once things get warmer your times will drop, and more of a chance of popping a rear axle. Sorry to sound negative but its truth if your going to make some magic happen it has to be now-march or wait till october

he can pick up alot in the back half and top of his gears as his timing is extremely conservative. that car would have run a lot faster if we had time to go through and get his timing on lock

kevin these pics are for you :)

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...1/DSC_0203.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q...1/DSC_0202.jpg

Thank you mister tuner for clearing that up. I took the thread like if he hit the track Maxed out. If I have some vacation time I'm gonna make it a priority to come down to MD this summer and clap up you, Charles, and superskates.

Not sure what clap up means...you giving me VD?

If you mean smoke me in a race its not happening lol

Thanks Jewbet. Straight up pushrod domestic power right there.

Unlike darkgums who wants to give me VD - i think i know what you like lol

Yeah, Darkgums is just hating now that he is a stock & scared EVO owner.

So what did Dada run in his 335i? Word on the street, Jason is Cobb powered now?

Just so everyone knows jason got rid of his black 335i awhile back and got an audi a3 then went back and got a 335xi and yes he has an accessport..

Stock went a 14.0 and with the accessport 13.1@108....

Doesn't take much... I went 12.17 with about what darky has

Can I get in on this?? lol

you know we have had an on going battle since the speed6 days!!!! I think the last time we lined up I won!!!

And darksun man I wanted to run you when you came down to cpe dyno day and I was in the car with skater when you guys raced!! But you guys were in a hurry to leave to go to jakes place...

Nice launch. I have the dreadnaught sitting in my den and will have the juggernaught when its produced. Then I'll start launching again. Not until then. I do NOT need my diff coming off. Again.

I don't think it went down that way... remember who already had those 12 second slips back in the day (on a stock turbo too)...

this was our last race but yes you are the first between us to get to the 12's as we battled all the way to the 13.2 mark then I blew.....

fixed

You were a better driver at that point. Plus you looked like you had no fear I wouldn't have won. Hopefully if CPe has another meet we'll all hit the track together this year.

agreed

full interior with my clothes and some tools still left in the car 3370lbs. probably worth another 10 or so lbs....

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...d/IMG_2410.jpg

where did you get the pics from jake? or did someone you know take them?

ok what happen driver311 do i still hold the record or will i have to step my game up?

i texted him earlier but that niggah ghostin'..... who knows

I guess i win this round and retain my crown for one more day????

Friend of mine took a bunch of pics.

Jason's times were disappointingly low. He wasn't really launching right and was trying to do some comparo's of intakes vs non intakes. He did manage a 110 trap so it wasnt too bad. With the same mods he had I threw down a 12.61@114 but I am a 6mt (usually slower than the AT) and RWD with 60fts of 1.9x. He was running less boost and lower timing with the off the shelf maps. Race gas doesn't help the n54 when tuned with an AP as the dme won't continue to advance timing above what they have the OTS tables set to. The tune I am on will advance to the max stock timing curve with meth and racegas which is why my 1/4 mile times drop to low 12s on it.

so no 11s yet?

That was actually one of the first runs with us... we ended them at MIR. I want to say that I tree'd you, and ran a 13.1 with you around 13.4. I will search through the camera to see if I can come accross it.

EDIT- that run you put up was the first time I broke an axle too... lol. I have recorded over that period of time with the newer Evo videos... so that title is yours since you have proof.

No one here could even dream of keeping up with you chris. Your car just makes me mad and thats hard to do. But the power level and your build is retardedly perfect.

That's what honest brackets are for... if they exist

Well Give me a 2 second start at the tree and it will be even lol

Driver311 is MIA? I can only imagine that means he didn't hit 11s....

he hit me up and said track closed.... so 11's:rocketwhore:

Details on build? Built engine I assume? How's the tranny holding up?

Straight up you cant compare a ms6 to any evo. The evo is a race car hands down a better all around "race" car than the mazda. What the mazda does that the evo doesnt is have a good driving experience. Quiet ride, smooth power delivery and really nice interior. YOu are paying for performance with the evo. My 05 white evo when 13.0 bone stock. 1.9 60fts@105 I believe. This was at 2700ft. I believe its close to a record. Then I did exhaust only and went 12.4. THen I added walbro pump and safc. Still on stock boost I went 12.1@113. THen I added a lil bigger fmic core and hks 264 cams. 11.9@115. At this point clutch was not happy. I put an act clutch in and leaned it out to 12.5 afr on sunoco 110. Car was pulling like a mother fucker. 11.7@117. So buscher exhaust, rnr fmic, safc, walbro pump, 264 cams and it netted me high 11s on stock boost. Then I took it down to sacramento and went 118-119 traps but Couldnt get the 60fts I got in boise. THe evo is just a machine. My 60fts ranged from 1.59-1.72 pretty consistantly. 6500-7000rpm launches. moral of the story you cant compare the two cars. If anything compare early stis. They are closer comparison. THey usually net mid 12 driven good with nice stock turbo setups.

If this ms6 was mine Id put some 110 in it and lean it out to 12.5 afrs. THen Id get some 16x8 inch rota or similar wheels with some 225/50/16 dunlop specs or similar cheap tires. THe lower height and skinnier tire would net killer 60fts and traps. I bet you get some low 1.7s to high 1.6 60fts and trap 116 no problem. Having the taller sidewalls would get the 60ft and having the skinnier contact patch would help the trap alot. I bet you pick up good power on the race gas leaned out. It sounds like your getting there but the 19s are really killin this car. Even if they are lite. Borrow some 17s or 16s and see what happens. SHit even running the 26 hoosiers would help alot. THose tires are sooooooo fucking light its amazing. 10lbs a tires lighter than my street tires and they are bigger. LOL Good luck and get that thing on the dyno. Find out where the timing likes to be. Mine seems to like it around 15 degrees the most. Im pretty positive its the higher compression that keeps it from making more power on more timing. If the compression was lowered to like 8.5 the car would take 10 more degrees Im fairly certain. But dont know for sure.

Ps. I got rained out. Sorry guys I tried. Looks like Ill have to wait till early march.

Fuckin' rain. I guess that means I'm next in line to fail.

If I can pop off a 1.8 60', I'm pretty sure I can run 11s.

In before my clutch explodes

I think you could do it on 1.9 60fts. You car has 122 traps no problem. Do you have some hoosiers? You can do some 26in slicks on 15in wheels if you have either coil overs or stock height. If you interested in how or what to do just call me and I can set you up on the setup to get. But with 420whp your car should trap 120-124mph for sure. WHats your setup as far as what you got for the track?

I've got the quicktime pros. Same ones that lenny has. I'm on 16s though. I'd love to put some 15s up front though.

Oh, and 420 whp is a thing of the past. I'm much, much faster now. If I had to guess, i'd say that by the time I get to the track, I'm going to be much closer to 475.

For my track setup, I've got stock clutch, stock block, stock suspension, 16" FD wheels, 26x9.5-16 quick time pros, and I think I'm gonna be pushing 28 psi (only at 24 right now, and this car is fast as fuck)

He has a built motor, 6262, and his trans is at sheps right now. 700+awhp

I actually pm'd him not to clutter this thread up any more

I agreed with your tire comments but your tuning advice on timing isn't quite accurate. 15* of timing on pump gas is even a bit shy of where i would want to put a car i tuned - especially if the afr were set the way i want them. On a built motor (stock compression) and race gas I would have a blast. But even on pump gas 15* isn't high - but not low.

Chris is too modest. lol 700awhp i would walk around with no pants just swinging my kosher dick around - knockin the tip around back and forth between my knees

Make your own thread so I have something to subscribe to lol.

Nobody cares about your stupid ass evos... GTFO!!!


:D

I'm just mad jealous....

Yeah... I think that Dustin and I are gonna be shooting for about 17* at redline. We'll have a better idea when we get on the dyno this Friday.

My car made no more power on the dyno from 14 degrees up to 16 degrees. So thats where I get that number. Never said it was high. I run the srts I do at around 28 degrees on pump gas. But this car is just different. Sooooo ya. LOL

If you wanna switch to real slicks let me know. Here is my suggestion and I can explain more over the phone.

Stock springs or coilovers for clearance
15 inch motegi trak lite wheels (they clear brakes with h&r adapters) and weigh 9lbs
26x8.5x15 m&h slicks. Much much better than the hoosiers. 1.6 60fts on these tires no prob.
h&r 1inch i believe(Ill have to measure) wheel adaptors. You bolt on car and then bolt wheel to them. This will space the weel out just enough to clear calipers.

this setup is the much better setup. More contact patch, softer sidewall, and much stickier compound. Equates to better 60ft, more consistant, and less shock to drivetrain. All in all a much better setup. This is what I would do if I had coilovers. You will need stock height to keep these tires from hitting the fenders.

Ps. They will look sooo sick! Stomping evos and ms6s out of the hole all day. LOL

I dunno what you mean by a Ms6 will never win a dick measuring contest against an evo?

what does that mean? you really have to get away from that train of thought that a Ms6 is not up to the "evo" challenge now a days...

lemme know when you're going to a track near us..NJ? and i'll be happy to line up with you and see who's dick is bigger HP for HP...

Awesome... I might have to get a setup like that. Unfortunately, I don't have time to switch my setup anymore before the track.

who wouldn't agree with you on all that you said Stock for stock.. but who the hell is talking stock for stock?


when you go beyond basic bolt ons a stock for stock comparison means dick...
is the evo lighter, faster and geared better then a ms6 out the factory... yes

is a gutted evo with 400 whp faster then a ms6 gutted with 400 whp..... depends.. it's a drivers race

I challenge ANY SPEED3 in the 60ft any time any where.. What everyone doesn't realize is that I had just finished installing my fmic about 1 hour before I went to the track and the car was running really rich and I discovered I have a serious manifold leak (pics later) also I was running 17psi down 2 psi from the last time I went. So once I leaned it down by the third run I had lowered the afrs to 11.5-7 I was able to muster my 12.4 at the same mph.

I have some 17's that would have been lighter than my 19's and just as wide of tire. I could lose another 3-4 lbs per coner. If I put a skinner tire on my car I would spin worse than I did with my 245/35/19s. Also about your evo launching to the 1.6's and the speed6 strugling to do it watch that will happen soon!!! I think I was bogging not because my mount was going bad as I was having problems starting back to last year when I did the 12.3. If you look at my last 2 passes I was all of a sudden bogging in every pass. I have a mount that will be shipped come monday. So when I get that installed and finish installing my meth and install my 3.5 bar map you will see some 1.6 60ft passes.

Also you have to realize I did this time with only 17psi. Hell I was able to a 1.71 (best) on a stock turbo and heavier car!!!! Race season JUST started better times to come!!!

Lol - you are a cocky dude and maybe you know how to drive but your tuning knowledge is not as great as you want people to believe...bringing up other cars is pointless. i can barely run 11* on my 335i by redline...ohhhhh ahhhh...who gives a shit about other platforms in this discussion

maybe YOUR car didn't gain power from 14-16 degrees (which is bizarre as why would you run 15* if it stopped making power at 14...just goes against general tuning principles) but the ms3 has a timing curve that it loves and thats a bit low...id say ask me how i know...but im lazy

if i were you i would investigate why you are having trouble not running more advance (pending your afrs and octane)...condition of the motor is
definately a question

mucho <3 to joel and dustin...get this shit done (yes homo)

<3

If my shitty ass driving skillz don't fuck me over, we're going to see 11s and 120+ mph trap speeds in less than a week.

Dustin has my whip running like an ethiopian being chased by a lion

I'd be happy with 120+

i dont give a shit about the ET

Your a fucking idiot. Im not running 15 degrees for one. That was a general area. The gains from 14-16 were very very minimal thus why I run 14.5 max timing. My car makes very good power and my track times will back up my 400whp dyno at only 18psi, just like it did years ago when I was rocking mid 12s on stock turbo while internet racing fags like you were sucking your thumb trying to figure out why Driver could do it and you couldnt. Im running stock block and making killer power on a setup that peeps like you said it couldnt be done on. Thats why I leave my tune where it is. Running really good and thats good enough for me right now. Call me cocky all you want but I do what I say Im gonna do and thats just that. Im far from knowing it all and Im learning everyday but there are only a few peeps making good power on setups like mine and backing it up with fast times at the track. Let me know when you break the 14 second barrier and we will talk.:nono:

Ps. There are plenty of guys on here that have gone from 15 degrees all the way up to 20 degrees with little to no gain. So how the fuck do you explain that? My afrs are good at 12.0-12.2 across the board and my fuel trims are spot on. What the fuck else you think Im missing here????? Plus I wasnt saying we should run timing like the srt. I was just giving an example of a platform that is somewhat similar to ours. In no way was I saying they are the same. I know they are not because Ive owned both. And there is no comparison the srt will stomp the dick in the dirt with a speed any day. Just having a discussion and giving examples of my personal experiences. Anyways back on topic.


I look forward to seeing those 120+ traps. Should be interesting. What gas you gonna be running at the track?

Width definately helps with traction bro but any drag racer will tell you its sidewall and rubber compound that do most the work. Ill take a 225/50/16 bfg g force or dunlop star spec any day over a 245/35. There is no flex in that tire and guaranteed the tires never get warm enough for the compound to start working. Like I said on top of that the skinnier tire will help for sure with trap and knock down weight. Your 60s are good and Im not knocking those at all. Good job on that, but I think you can make up alot on the big end with some 16s or 17 with some sticky rubber. Look forward to the next time your out. 11s are sooo close. I was soo bummed I couldnt make passes this weekend. Oh welll my time will come. HOPEFULLY. LOL

I'm gonna be running 110 octane

You finished whining yet? Like I said you may be a decent driver (who knows as you run your mouth like you are a highschool kid with something to prove) - but your knowledge is just limited when it comes to tuning. I know it because of the way you talk and because I am friends with people who you call asking for help.

Also - my mazda days are behind me. I had a 12.0 on street tire mazda3 trapping well into the 120s on pump gas. After that had a speed6 that was garbage (motor consumed oil from day 1 - bought it used) and now I have a 335i. I have different priorities now and instead of trying to impress a bunch of people and whine like a little girl - I simply tastefully modded it and run 12.1x @117-118 on street tires (19" all seasons) when I feel like going to the track. That same power is what I drive to the hospital everyday where I do something that actually makes people lives better.

If you want to try and impress people - do something impresisve. Don't run your mouth claiming to be the best or an expert or giving excuses about why its okay to be cocky b/c your the best. You've done nothing different - shit you don't even tune the car yourself - you drive it...

Anyways time to go hang out with my newborn nephew - dude already impresses me more than you lol

I typed out many responses to this post and I've settled on this one

Riddle me this:

Who's more out of their mind an evo owner with little mods thinking he can run a mid to low 12's or a Ms6 owner who thinks he can beat an evo owner who thinks he can run mid to low 12's?

Trust me the last thing I wanna do is impress you. LOL Ive never claimed to be an expert tuner or driver, but I can do both and I learn something new every day. Ill never be afraid to admit that. Whos the one trying to impress now Mr. I work at a hospital and drive a bmw that runs 12.1 with "TASTEFUL MODS"? LOL Grow up bro and if you have nothing good to post but drama why are you here again?

Ps. If your gonna post claims of 12.0@120+ on street tires in a speed3 lets see some proof. If you did it, right on, but sounds fishy to me.

I think it was a reg 3 :)

lotta hate in this thread. lets keep this shit on topic.

can't wait for your times driver and jwilks. do work.

There's a new sheriff in town.
His name: spnkr21
I'm surprised you didn't know that...

Keep us posted when you run 13s

I'm never ashamed.
I think that's kinda impossible though.

Beast what tires are on your 17s? I bet some 225/45 dunlops would rock on those wheels. I kinda wanna stick with 17s on my car for street with some 235 dunlops just cause they are cheap and hook nice. My toyo 235 r888s hook nicely even in 2nd at 18psi, but they are to expensive to burn through on the street. I think they are sold and Im going to run some 245/35/18 hoosiers for autocross this year on my black tenzos and maybe use my 17s for the street. We will see. Also when you going to dyno Beast?

I plan to run some 235/45/17 continental DWs but there are on back order so I might back with my 235/45/17 nitto 555s. Since I have awd my issue with traction is not that big a deal. As for the dyno I am going to address my manifold leaking first and then my mount, meth, and 3.5 bar map so I can up the boost to where I want it and then its dyno time as I want to see what my car is producing as well making sure I have a good tune the next time I go back to the track and not worry about tuning then I can concentrate on the qtrmile!!!

I am curious what you're doing that is different from anyone else that hasn't touched 120mph in the MS3. No hate here, I just want to know the details.

I totally understand dude...

To my knowledge, I don't know that anyone with my power level has actually attempted to track their car on slicks. I could be totally wrong on that, but we'll see.

It's all speculation at this point.

my buddy has those same wheels on his speed and like 2 weeks after he got them the motor blew

So i guess until someone hits 11s we will fight like little girls. We should be working together towards a common goal, not bickering. Anyways, I will have a built motor soon and my build should progress rather quickly. The first day at the track with it I promise 11's. I have no idea when my first day will be though.