Darksun agrees please continue

Meh A speed3 with slicks has a better shot at a faster time cause now they have traction and the lower weight compared to the 6. My apologies though I'll let you finish your thought.


Darksun agrees please continue


Damn it Charles you know I can't cosign this statement. I'd say you have between 360-380 Max to the wheels in your current state. Evo x's are heavier then your MS6 and runs your times with any where from 330-360 depending on track and weather conditions. both cars are also geared aggressive as shit and need to touch 5th to finish the 1/4 so its a good comparo.

Can't argue this point. your a good track day away from 11's. Question you shifting to fifth or riding out 4th past the 1/4 mark?

P.S even though I'm against this 11.9 is an 11 second pass. once you can run it twice in the same outting it's backed up.

If you think a waste of oxygen like yourself can piss me off, you have no clue what you're talking about.

This noob is way faster than you. What's that say?

And I guess 400 on AP isn't a record? I guess your definition of record is different than the rest of the world's.

I know everything I need to know about your car. It's slower than mine. What more do I need to know?

As much as i'd love to keep going back and forth with you, but the big boys have to start work now.

I really dont think have that much but i will be soon to find out....and all i think you are taking that statement out of context as that is not what i am saying this is what others are saying..

just going into 5th or i can let it hit the rev limiter a couple of times just before i go through



Any real racer doesnt really count the .9 and the .8 is when you really can claim it.. because you can sneeze wrong and go back to the 12.0's

I'd just bang off the limiter honestly the .2 to shift just to be in a bogged down gear has got to be costing you alittle.

Honestly this community has been through so much pushing the goal away another .2 will make your life miserable. You know what means you gotta get a half second faster right? to go from a 12.3 to a 11.8. I don't see that happening for you Charles. I've seen evo 9's do it with about 360whp and a 1.7 60ft but an evo X no chance in France. You need to shave weight playa.

LOL I LOVE ME A CHALLENGE sit back and put your seatbelt on as you will be going for an 11sec ride REAL SOON!!!!.... First i dont know what my hp is so we can't really talk about what a 360 hp car evo can do. Also that evo that you are talking about is about 3000 or so lbs as well which is about 300lbs lighter than my car so i would need about 400 to do what he has done with less power.. WHEN i get down to 3000 lbs then we can make the HP for HP comparo!!!

I gutted my car for a track day in the mazda and left only door panels and dash and passenger seat I made it down to 2980 with half a tank of gas. I had 15 pounds wheels and 20 pound tires aswell.

God bless your heart if you can get that ms6 down to the 3k range. I have a feeling for you to make that weight going down the track your gonna have to two step, launch the car and instantly open the door and jump out.

I keep checking back in ova here to see who has done 11's.
Good luck to all that give it a shot.
Ill be at the track this Saturday in Denton.
low 12's should be attainable with what little i have at the moment. These street tires will be my biggest concern for fail.

Street tires or hockey pucks?

Darky - no black on black hate here please.

I know charles' setup - with his block and head and the very nice uncommon wheel he has in his 3076 - with a few minutes of attention from me or a few other friends of ours his car is easily a 400awhp setup. With his timing peaking at 11* its a true sign that the dude can drive...maybe even driver could learn a little lol

lol..... thats funny

I think both dudes are sane and it's a drivers race..

it's all about the mods you have, the weight, driver skill and a lil bit of luck.

you are kinda stuck on thinking that an evo is an evo and a ms6 no matter what is done/modded is just a "slow" ms6 that can't compete so riddle me this..

you willing to meet me at the track around june to see what owner has the faster car?

Mofo I said the way his car sits BEFORE you put your jewish hands on it. I meant that day he was just at the track not after you molest it in the future.

really, thank you for that delightful comment.

that kid is a waste of life and he is running a tiny 3071, he klnows shit about shit and he's just jealous he chose such a tiny lil snail.

I have faith you can get to the 11's by this summer no doubt.
you may need one of Kmacs Intake manifolds tho..

OH SNAP SON!!! SHIT HE MUST GET RID OF THEM WHEELS THEN BEFORE THEM WHEELS MAKE HIS MOTOR GO BOOM.... LOL


WOW...

comments like this really make him look like the childish fool he is.

good luck with 2011 being "your year".... I see you hitting 12.9 in about 3 years when you break the bank and buy a 2013 mustang....:wt:

you are so wicked cool you beg ppl to trade their new 3071 for a slightly used 35r for weeks.
35r is MINT now that I had the wheels fixed and new compressor housing machined to fit and put back together...

so cool braH, so fuckin cool....

Hahaha. Now I have two haters.
Speedsixx took jwilks side, I think that says something about jwilks :)

So I was under the impression from reading lenny's threads that launching a BT like a 3071 or a 3076 was pretty fucken difficult - it's why I respect what 9900rpm has done (He hasn't been around recently, I wonder what happened to him? Maybe john@theshopct blew his motor too? I hope that isn't the case)

I thought the launch was difficult for a BT car because you gotta spin the motor fast enough to make boost, but not so fast that you light up the tires? I imagine this window is extraordinarily small for a car making 400 whp, let alone one making more (sorry joel but I can't say 475 based off of your butt dyno)

I mean no disrespect but I honestly don't see you (jwilks) making 11's on a high-hp fwd car regardless of your power - remember, in the forum wars a 500 whp civic lost to a sub- or near-300 whp ms3 in the drag race. Trap speeds will be more important until you get some experience launching your car IMO.

I can respect that... Granted, my 475 whp is a total guess man. I feel as if I could have made 450 on John's tune, so that's what I'm basing it on.

The key thing here is that I have a better track setup than the civic did. Primarily, I have slicks, and I'm pretty sure that the civic driver was full of fail. I'm not sure if I'm a better driver or not, but i'd like to think so. This weekend will tell the tale, no?

Absolutely - I was just basing that off of lenny's thread about trying to get into the 12's, as well as other threads I have seen about people with respectable power running 13's and 14's their first time out at the drag strip (and gitdat who ran mid 15's I think, even tuned and with a fairly decent amount of mods). Lenny is an experienced drag racer from what I can tell and even he had a bitch of a time getting the speed 3 with slicks to do anything besides eat up his ACT clutch.

I'm really looking forwards to see what happens this weekend, but from what I've read/seen drag racing a FWD is a completely different ball game. I wish you the best and I do hope you get into the 11's - however I don't think you should be disappointed if you run a 13+ sec 1/4 time with a 120+ mph trap speed.

That is all.

Werd... I'm an aggressive optimist. It's how I live my life. I'm also a little bit (just a wee bit ;)) cocky. Combine those two things, and I start saying and expecting crazy things. I'm won't be surprised if my first few runs are a little bit disappointing.

I do, however, expect that I'm going to get a couple really good runs in there. We'll see. At this point, it's all speculation and conjuncture.

I could get out there and be a natural and run 11.7s all day (doubtful)
I could get out there and suck ass and run 13s all day (hopefully doubtful :))
I could get out there and destroy my clutch after one run (most likely scenario)

We'll see. Either way, I'll keep you guys posted. I'm hoping I'll get to come back here and rub it in your face and tell you all how wrong you were, but, if I don't get it, I'll man up and admit that I was wrong.

I'll show all you fuckers in April...Imma run 15's all day long.


Wait, wrong forum...I thought I was on the Edge forum...


nm

nothin was on TV so decided to read this....i think this is better!
spnkr21 is a funny little man

im reppin for Jwilkins for some Missouri love! make us proud

Knowing him and or John, if they did blow his motor, they wouldn't tell anyone.

lol, we know. Bonnie can attest to that.

Anyways, take a swig and get out there. I'm hoping you get some 11s, so we can all finally say that it can be done, then copy you. LETS DO IT. ROAR.

That is where you take the word from people like myself who went to hell and back with both a MS6 and an Evo...

MS6 weighing in at 3600 (with driver) with:
standback
cp-e intake
cp-e turboback
cp-e fuel pump
custom fmic
all the diff mounts
12.89 @105 1.7X 60'

EvoX weighing in at 3620 (with driver) with:
AEM intake
AGP intercooler
cp-e turboback
tune
12.17 @114 1.72 60'

both my vehicles, me driving...

Stock pirellis.

Did you gain 20 lbs after getting the EVO?

lmao, no that is me not going crazy for weight reduction

I'm here. Still browse the forums every so often. Been working a lot, and snowboarding on the weekends. The MS3 has been kinda neglected, except for snow tires. I did get the external wastegate setup on there about a month ago, and boost holds solid to redline. I may go back and get retuned, or just look at logs to see how everything is, before hitting the track. I would like to snatch 11's for the gen 2's, but who knows. I know this car is heavy as shit, and I think the Hoosiers I have aren't the stickiest out there. A few pages back, driver311 posted some good info, which I'm trying to go by. If I can get some super light 15" wheels, with M&H slicks, spacers, and some light wheels for the back as well, my chances of tapping 11's are much better. Like Speed3eak said, launching on the 3076 is a motherfucker. Too little and you bog, too much and it cooks tires. I am used to netting solid 1.6's on turbo Civics, and 1.7's in SRT4's on slicks (both on M&H).

Amazon, please don't talk this way about me. I have nothing to hide. My MS3 is running healthy. Hit 26k miles yesterday.

WOW...I saw this thread has grown alot, and came in to see the results. Well its mostly bitching back and forth in good ol typical MSF fashion lol. Well maybe Im a crazy mother fucker...But I hope ALL you guys have success with your builds. I have no hate towards anyone, I think its stupid. We spend so much fuckin money, because we like cars..love going fast...we share atleast somethings in common.

When I see people like myself buring money and time into their car, Iam like shit, hope it all works out. Cause when I see other people succeed then gives me alittle hope on what I might expect from my car. Joel I wish you the best man, tear it up!!!..and well just have to see what happens....As for Spankr I hope things get figured out and his car blues go away.

I must say..While I like my car alot..dammm..gotta give love to the evo..that thing is just alot of car for the money..I wont jump sides on the evo vs ms6....but lets just say the evo has proven itself over and over and over again at the track..cant deny its hell of car with a long successful storied background. The ms6 seems to have alot of potential, and looking forward to seeing some faster trap times.

Im no expert here, I go to Tim Bailey for my tuning. I put on simple bolts on and medium difficulty parts on my car...I know enough to keep me from paying mechanics bunch of money 99% of the time, thats about it. But I must say, that getting quick times with the ms3 seems like it will be very hard...Heck I have a super hard time getting anything out of 1st&2nd gear when im 3/4 throttle on stoplight lol....BUT you see tons of srt4's and Civics fwd cars posting up awesome times....maybe its gearing for the srt4, maybe its less tq for the Civic..I have no clue.

Im about ready to go 3071 on my ms3, goals are 350ish whp..and im gonna call it good...Ill take it to the track in the near future and see what it can do, but it just seems like our mazdas DO not like the dragstrip, compared to other platforms...Maybe we just dont have as many drivers racing, but as always I poke my head in and see how everyone is progessing. Well guess thats it for me, more results and less fucking bitching please! lol

It's snowing so I'll be bitching till may

Ordered slicks today :)

thank you for the insight.

I have to ask when you owned the speed 6? and was all the current tuning solutions available to you at that time.

I remember a video of I think street unit mark and you racing his 40r 6 and your evo... you had less power and still beat him but that was obviously before the current SB "wall barrier" was broken.

as well I doubt you had over 400 whp in the speed 6 when you did the 12.89.

how much whp did you have in the 6 on that run and how much did you have in the evo on that run?

remember my only point in now a days we are capable of making more whp. If I remember correctly you never had the privilege of making the power you could have now a days...

plus in the end I just think that I can beat darky....

DJ made what 449 AWHP on a 3071? altho I never saw any slips but I trust it's true.... I can't wait till he's done with his current build with much larger turbo.... you can't honestly tell me that a speed 6 with 500+ AWHP wouldn't break into the high 11's AT LEAST... altho it hasnt been done yet.

I have high hopes for myself as well... I been yappin for over a year about me and my lil 35r, shit is finally ready to all be installed and tuned. please hold off on making fun of me until I fail... but I expect to be inthe low 12's my first track day with my set up.

BTW: I just noticed.. you did the 12.89 with a stock turbo? very nice for a stock turbo.

before I even think about planning a track day I'm sure someone with a BT will all make us happy with a low 12 or high 11, soooon

I am not saying it isn't possible to get the good times... they are right around the corner. I was speaking on the comparison between the two cars with equal modifications (more or less). Now if you add huge mods to the 6, it can be done with the other cars too, which give a lot faster times and trap speeds...

umm ive done the low 12s twice.....

12.3 .. LOL

I read that in your sig like 100 times... sorry dude.

ahhhh.... sorry bro I didn't understand what you were trying to explain!

agreed 1000%

I also believe that you had over 25 psi on a larger turbo(16g vs a ko4) than the speed as well. Most of this evo vs ms6 with mild mods is due to the turbo. Now the
evos and dsms of the world have proven themselves for over 14 years so i am not knocking them. The ms6 is a completely different animal and we are still trying to work out the bugs with them and get down in the times.. How long did it take busher to get into the 11s i believe it was about 3-4 years after the 4g63...

You seriously think that the stock TD05 is a good turbo? lmao. There is no one that has even broke 400whp on them without it being a magical dyno. Now, if you want to compare apples and oranges... the 6 has and extra .3 liters, and a boat load more torque...now, what is that going to do for the 1320? Think about it...

So yes, I can run more boost, you have more displacement. And you think that the 4B11 is this old tried and true motor? LOL, let's not get it confused with the 4G63.

shit i would say more like 24 years since mitsubishi start fucking with turbos back 1986 with starion turbo

agree but how many KO4s making over 300 on the speed6 more less 400? The td05 is still a larger more flowing turbo than the ko4.. i tell you what drop that k04 in a dsm or an evo and i will bet that it will not get the times that it would with the tdo5-16g not the dsm 14b...

Charles - chris doesn't know what 400whp feels like - it was 300whp ago from him - spread the hate - i love the kid but fuck do i hate him at the same time - i am always so happy with my car till he IMs me

hey i know i talk about our rivalry but i know i can't mess with your ride right now and you have some very good driving skills. 700 hp should put you in the low10 high 9s!!! cant wait til you get that shep tranny and get that beast to the 1320.. That is going to be one hellava ride!!!!

If anyone will drive it like it should be driven its chris. Im going down in March to chill and go to the Yuengling Marathon. I'll try and get videos of him whoring my 335

you talking about VIR?