drag racing a Gen Coupe 3.8
 

Hey guys, one of my coworkers has a Genesis Coupe 3.8 V6 6sp (stock). We've been talking friendly shit on each other's cars and he wants to run me in a 1/4 mile. I've never drag raced my car before, but I think I have a decent chance of beating him, given that the 1/4 mile times for both cars are about the same, according to various sources. I think it just comes down to who's the better driver, and whether I can get a good launch.

Genesis Coupe 3.8 specs:
3478 lb curb weight
305 HP 266 lb-ft TQ

I've been practicing launching the car but with TCS off the tires (stock dunlops) just spin through 1st and part of second, so I'm considering running with TCS on. I plan on lowering the front tires to 20PSI like others have.

Anyone have any other tips on launching, tire pressure, etc?

Vid will come next Friday night. Wish me luck :D

I am not much of a racer but you would want to keep TCS on. I would say that this would come down to a drivers race. You do have have an intake and a RMM mount so that ought to help you a little.

Not sure how good of a driver your buddy is.

The fact that you have the intake and rmm should def. help you out. The fact that your modded should give you at least a slight advantage on him. Good luck. If it's a close drivers race switch cars to see if the results change.

Lol race from a roll

I like that idea. However, would you let some guy actually rag on your car and expect him to allow you to do the same? Guess it just depends on how good of friends they are...

I beat one a few months back, but at this elevation, they only make about 240-245 hp.

I think it'll be close in a drag. He should jump out, then you'll start gaining on hima nd probably trap higher.

With the Tcs on you might bog like a mother fucker...... its weird sometimes it helps but others just terrible.... best bet is with it off and hope you get a good launch.... roast em up before and get em hot and sticky ;)

@socks

only one i ever saw run had "shifting" problems even though it was an automatic. of course rumors have it that driver fail was the real cause of such a travesty ....... maybe @mizboo102 or @socks could shed some light on the subject lol

I would run with tcs off, I raced an EVO once and left it on accident, and bogged like crazy or I would have pulled on him after the launch...you should take him regardless..

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Do not roast em... Ur not running slicks

Still debating whether to leave TCS on or off, but I think the benefit of either would depend on how I launch the car.

He's a buddy of mine, and as of now he thinks that he'll no doubt win, (RWD, 40+ HP).. I agree with him that I'm the underdog, but hope to surprise him when I beat him!

well you prob have close to 30 more tq and less weight dont launch any higher than like 2k you shouldn't spin to much maybe shortshift into second

i think youll lose

an AP might get the victory


but hes got rwd on you and only a little more weight and a bunch more power

+1 you'll overheat the tires and the compound becomes less stickier. The best way to stage a street tire is basically a practice launch before the water box. And drive around it.

Launch you'll get some wheelspin in 1st short shift into second and flatfoot every shift around 5600rpm thereafter if you're comfortable. You're gonna have to play catchup unless he's a bad driver.

show up on your bike = easy win

the automatic 3.8gencoupes are faster than the 6spd.

neither are as fast as a intake+tune ms3. the only chance he has of beating you is racegas and mods.

I ran a 8.9 in the 1/8th in my auto 3.8 genesis with catback, intake and race gas.

that was the best it could do, which is faster than the manual version, and much faster than he should expect stock.

i think you'll be ok as long as you dont F it up. chances are, he's a noob to the dragstrip too yea?

i've beaten the 3.8 and 2 of the turbo models

ive beaten a 3.8 as well it was probably stock i dont even bother with the 2.0 there a joke inless well modded

Ive driven a 3.8 for work. The definitely have some pep to them, and definitely have a nice pull at highway speeds.

Our cars are a pain in the dick to launch, and dont forget about heatsoak when youre sitting on the line waiting.

Well not that alot of people want to hear this, but I raced my friends LS1 T/A from a dig a beat it by a couple cars in my CRX, and when we switched cars the T/A beat the CRX by like a half car.

friend with T/A needs to learn to drive.

Silly, women can't drive

socks is right, he doesn't deserve that LS1. I'll give it a good home.


OP- he might pull on you at first because RWD typically launches better but once you hit 3rd you should catch up and pass. Take a few runs at it while you are both learning the cars and how to race them then go for real. Good luck! Do a highway roll if you want to make yourself feel good :)

So I went to Capitol Raceway last night to get some practice runs in and ended up pretty disappointed. My best run was a 15.1. The car felt pretty slow in 2nd gear and my best 60 was 2.1. Maybe it was the heatsoak while waiting. I tried launching at 2.5 but kept bogging. The best run was a 3.5k launch but I had some wheel hop so I short shifted into 2nd. Also I need to work on my shifting bc I grinded or missed shifts in at least half of the runs. My buddy was suppose to show up for practice but he didn't so at least ill have the advantage of knowing the track next friday when we race.

I've pulled on a 3.8 once, he probably was stock. :-/

Good luck man!

i thought a 2.1 60 was pretty good, considering you are on street tires and all. the rest is probably just shifting too soon or something.

I think shifting is a big part of it; everytime i try to shift fast to 2nd and 3rd, i either miss or grind. I think i'm probably shifting before the clutch is in the whole way...

I would invest in a transmission mount to help with hop and finding gears. With your level of mods you should at least be under 14.5 if you're an ok driver.

might be shifting too late if you are not tuned. car falls on its face after/around 6k depending on the gear.

you could also do some not so obvious weight reduction like taking out the spare, glovebox contents, etc. very very slight advantage but why not

good luck! practice the 2-3 shifts on the street this week.

level of mods? All he has power wise is an intake...

yes which means he should be at least at 14.5 more like 14.2...sea level should be around 14-13.9 with driver mod

What was the trap speed? Should be like 100-101 area.... 2.1 is a good 60ft for stock tires... 15.1 is blehh though but it was your first time

Man.. this is why so many people do RMM and Synthetic transmission fluid. You'll be amazed how much easier those shifts get.

Get an AP and you should toast him.

I have a CPE RMM and Ford Motorcraft synth.. just needs driver mod. Need to practice (semi)flat foot shifting and getting a good launch.

Also, maybe bc of heatsoak, it felt like 2nd gear had no power whatsoever. After I left the track and practiced at a few stoplights, the car felt like it pulled much harder than during the strip.

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I raced a brand new 3.8 coupe about a month ago when I was stage 1 (intake/TIP). Chirped my tires off the line so I didn't give up anything at the beginning we were dead even through third gear. I was FF shifting at 4500. It was in forth gear that I pulled on him. As soon as I pulled he decided the race was over. i'm thinking you'll need an AP because I don't think i would have won without the couple extra hp and the ability to FFS. The cars are pretty evenly matched in stock form. If you don't get off the line fast you won't be able to get it back till fourth gear. Now that I'm a leaned out Stage2 that fucker would be toast right from the beginning. Get an AP, tweak your AFR's and beat his ass.

Learn to shift at the track normally. Then learn to flat foot.

oh you don't know how much I want an AP, but paying bills on time > AP. once i get the cash, it'll be the first thing on my shopping list. But for now, I'll have to try my best on the stock tune.

Nonsense. Priorities man.

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I found my problem with my shifting. I uninstalled my JB SSP and it feels so much better. I can FFS completely fine, and my shifts are smoother. I undoubtedly will get a 14.X run this Friday!

JB SSP has nothing to do with shifting imo. Mine's been perfectly fine for the past +10k miles.

In fact, I grinded and missed 2nd -> 3rd shifts a lot before I installed JBR SSP + aluminum bushing + RMM. After those, I rarely or never missed 3rd gear during WOT runs.

And I'm still on my stock transmission fluid.

Practice more on street. :2cents:

did you have your shifter properly adjusted after installed the jbr plate? if not that was probably your problem...also mt-90 and a heavy shift knob will clear up a lot of the notchiness it adds

I didn't bother reading all the posts. But you definitely want a degree of wheel slip. Traction control isn't launch control. It applies the brakes and bogs you down.
Just modulate the throttle better through first and half way through second and shift at 5500. Don't miss a gate either.

good words of advice.

I respectfully disagree. My third gear grinds got 30 to 50 percent worse after the SSP install. There just isn't enough space in the gate for third it seems, and the SSP accentuates the problem. I still keep mine on because around town it feels so much better than stock, but when I do go to the track I will definitely be uninstalling the SSP. Also, this is regarding grinding third, not missing it altogether. My car will block out out third altogether if you shift into third after running second til 5k rpms. As always this is IMO and YMMV.

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Yes, i had fine-tuned my shifter. I also have aluminum bushings and RMM, as well as synth tranny fluid. Like others have mentioned, the JBR SSP may not work the best for every gen2, including myself.

Exactly! Same experience with me, except instead of keeping the SSP, I decided to post it for sale. If I start missing the feeling of a shorter throw, I may give the SURE Shortcut a try.

why not go with an actual short shifter, instead of a shortshift plate?

if you have issues with one, you'll likely have issues with the other.

good point, but i don't think the shorter shift justifies the price of a full short shifter kit. I'll keep that money and save up for an AP and internals :D

I would turn all of the systems off, stage it and launch at 2.5k in first, short shift 2nd at 4500-5k, and then run it out to 5500 in 2nd, 5500 in 3rd, and run the track out in 4th.

Concentrate on being SMOOTH. Remember, SMOOTHER is faster (always). Don't try and drive it "fast", try and drive it smooth. Imagine you are driving this car to impress the most beautiful woman in the world and that she is holding a $1000 glass of champagne. If you get to the end of the track and you have been so smooth she hasn't spilled a drop, you can take her (and your win) home.

SMOOTH. On the gas, on the clutch, and on the shifter.

-Rob

Can you elaborate on being SMOOTH? I feel like I'd have to slip the clutch more to make it smooth, and shift slower to be smooth. What is this smooth fast you are talking about?

It just means try and be fluid in your movements. You would rather be slower and smoother, than grind a gear, right? When the pressure is on, it's better to be very deliberate and precise with your movements than waste time trying to go fast and screw up.

This week, try launching from lights and minimizing wheel spin using your right foot and with the TCS and DSC off, get on the throttle and shift gears, focus on smoothly pushing the clutch in (not jamming it to the floor) letting the shifter go into the gate, rather than cramming it there. Roll off the clutch and onto the throttle, trying to get your transitions as smooth as possible (hint if you feel it you're dumping the clutch and not getting on the gas soon enough).

Smooth fast is basically when you are minimizing your movements and maximizing their efficiency. You can only really achieve this through a lot of practice, but you can practice it everyday while driving.

When the time comes, just work the pedals and levers with efficiency and don't focus on being fast or beating the other guy, focus on running the cleanest and best run you can. I can almost guarantee your bud will miss a shift or otherwise blow it and you'll win from driver mod alone.

Good luck dude!

-Rob

Flat-foot shift or no?

One must learn how to walk before he can run grasshopper.

BUT i was practicing tonightttt!! I took off my JBR ssp, fine tuned my shifter, and now it shifts like a dream. I never could FFS until now, and it pretty much spun through almost all of 2nd (maybe loss of traction not so good). I was watching @DingoDave 's drag videos on Youtube and he doesn't FFS.. not sure which is better at the drag strip

Believe it or not.. I do FFS (or try to lol). Although 90% of those videos were before the FFS/LC addition to the AP. I currently have my LC set to 3000, and FFS set to 5500 on Stage 1 93 oct OTS tune (This is on Hankook tires. Stock dunlops prob need 2500 LC). IMHO, FFS every gear if you can. Just practice getting the left foot and right hand synced up. Good luck.

LOL ill be thinking about this next time i goto the track!

I wouldnt recommend FFS anything except 3-4th gear.

when I was stock a roll raced a 3.8 on the highway from a 4th gear pull and we were dead even. Im car was a turd then too, stock tune stock intake. Should be a easyish kill

results??

If you're dead even with a 3.8 genesis at stock from a roll, wouldn't you lose from a dig?

And the track was closed this Friday because of the hurricane :( , so we will have to do it probably next Friday.

booo! I was looking forward to see who won!

Well you'll just have to wait ;)

P.S. I'm getting a COBB Accessport this week so I'll be running a Stage 1 map for the race!

Make sure you get a proper MAF cal in before you go thrash it on the drag strip.

Ok, since I'm a total noob to the AP, what do u mean by that? You're saying I have to make sure that I have the right OTS MAP? or do I actually have to calibrate the MAF sensor?

I smoked one before I had my hypertech but we were even till forth

So if you were even til 4th, did you use NOS to smoke it in 4th and 5th?

Flash the OTS map that is most appropiate for your mods. Drive fifty miles. Then follow Chapter 4 in Abilors Tooning guide. You MAF will now be calibrated. Once your MAF is calibrated you can move on to getting fast by leaning out your fuel tables, tweaking boost and then timing. Calibrating the MAF, fuel tables and boost aren't that hard if you follow Abilors Guide. You'd probably want to get help with the timing though.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...example-60321/ has a great description of exactly what you need to do.

Thanks for the link and guide, I'll take a look at it so I can properly tune :)

With all the hype this thread is getting you would think its the race of the centery.

it's already been done: Comparison Test : 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 vs. 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8

Haha my buddy got a kick out of this video. He couldn't believe that they rated chose the MS3 over his car lol.. But this race is as much about our cars as it is about our dignity. I win, I talk to shit to him for the next x months. He wins, the odds favored him anyways (he thinks)

is this still going down? BTW i flat foot 3-4 and 4-5. I launch with DSC off around 2900 and go about 1/2 - 3/4 throttle through third. I ran 13.8 for a best. Most runs were low 14s though

Yep it's still going down, just waiting for a good day that fits both our schedules. I'll definitely update when it happens. Thanks for the advice, I'll experiment with FFS. Just got an AP and could tune it to FFS and use LC, but prob won't have time to do so before the race.

That Gen Coupe is going to wax that ass. They got VTEC and a 9000rpm redline.

Your still a faggot that doesn't have a clue what the fuck it's talking about, even in this thread.
We're talking about a Hyundai. Not an S2000, which even with vtec and 9000 rpm redline, even that other faggot who runs 15's and starts in second gear and thinks the ms3 is better suited to rally racing could smoke.

I was joking douche boy!

Cry baby cry.. You're still butt hurt following me around like a sick puppy. I wasn't wrong about anything I stated in that other thread.

Get a life douche boy.

troll some more breh

STFU and donate or GTFO

RESULTS!!!!!!!

Jokes are usually funny. Faggot.

Don't be mad at me because you lack the intellect to discern a joke from reality. Douche Boy. Cry baby cry

now now children, no bickering in my thread.. Results will come, once we can get a day that fits both our schedules. Stay tuned.

this is a misleading thread... 3 pages and still no race... fail!!! but u betta win!

Results are in, track sucked today; only got 2 runs in because people breaking down left and right.

First run - me - 14.52 gen3.8 - 15.5
2nd run - me 14.7 gen3.8. - 15.3

I know the times are pretty bad lol, but at least I still beat him! He was complaining that his tires were spinning but i had the same prob and i beat him. I also raced my buddy's 16g eclipse gsx, both got 14.5.

Good job, even tho its slow a win is a win.

Ask any real racer.

lulz.

well after a month of shit talking you backed it up congrats!

good job man! rip the gen apart!