finally 11s
 

this weekend was our MNM event. I ran 3 times. The car is no where near dialed in. I basically sent DJ one log and with that revised my old ass gt3076 FTOL tune for this new hta3586. I dynoed the day before and the car made 475whp on spring pressure 21ish psi creeping to 26ish by rl. @ 30 psi we had 496whp and 436wtq.

here are my slips in order.

I reved out 4th on this one.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/16/gema2ube.jpg

missed 5th which explains the lower mph.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/16/usunehuj.jpg

again missed 5th like a Baus.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/16/y4a2u4e3.jpg

the car has a low 11 second run in it as is.

Huge thanks to MSF and Nator Nation. Thanks to Pablo and Roc for putting up with my lunacy. Shout out to DJ from Perm tuning thank you buddy I wish you were there to witness. @djuosnteisn; @SPEED6 KILLAH;

vids added


here are a few vids some of our members took this weekend.

first pass of the day, first pass on these slicks which were exactly like Doubleflusher's set up. I probably could of hit 11s last year had I ran these.
11.74 @120

Courtesy of @TWOptSL0W;

Here is the 11.68 @117.17 pass
Courtesy of @i8urgti;


:njspeed3:

... for a
-super humble
-NJ Nator organizer / leader
-a true friend

to become the fastest ms3 and break deep into the 11's?

Congratulations on achieving a lofty goal Gerry.

Damn sexy!!! Video?

Thanks for representing us FailWD owners, Gerry!

I thought I had a Vid of this but due to my complete failure in camera usage, it's not one of the vids I got. If someone has it I would love to watch it again.

Congrats Gerry

Your car screws bro. And with potentially 40-50hp left on the table, shit is about to get serious! :smokin:

so happy for you, Gerry! CONGRATS!! it was a sight to see from the sidelines

Congrats man! I want 11's this year reeeeeeal bad.

What wheel/tire setup were you runnin for this?

added 2 vids to op

Need to get Gerry an auto from a CX7 so he stops missing 5th :)

TEEEEEEEETS!



Congrats man, fucking winning!

Gerry, are you limiting power in 1st/2nd?

hell yea! its been a good few days! congrats gerry

I'm old school technology MBC. Hooking up wasnt a problem at all with the slicks I had. Having lowered torque helped big time.

I call bullshit on these runs.












Sorry was just channeling my inner Darkie.

@Captain KR; @NJSPEED3;

ok let me help you two noobs out even though this means you might beat me one day.

For the love of god stop shifting into 2nd before you pass the 60ft cone.

I understand you can't rev first that high but damn. Will kinda got it but he still bailed early.

Start focusing on the 330 and not the 60ft. The 330 is probably the most important number in the who scheme of things.

This is how I always think about it when I'm running, but I also have little experience. Kritz shifts mad early. Like a car length in 1st, then bangs second and let's her pull. That fool was running quick as hell.

Now please learn me on the 330. We have been taught that .1 off the 60ft is .2 off the et. How does the 330 affect et/trap speed

Sent from your couch

think of the 330 as telling you your 60ft and how fast you shift the 1-2 all in one number.

Compare your 1/8 mile traps and final traps to it and it's easy to tell exactly what a car will run. Like believe it or not Gerrys car is actually faster than wills. Will is good at cleaning the run with shifts. He shifts faster than me actually. But only homos like me who studies slips would see stuff like that.

First half of the track is mostly driver, second half is power in the car....well, that is unless you keep missing 5th.





Sorry, I had to!! Lol




Great runs though... a hell of a lot better than I'll ever do.

Fucking 5th gear is a whore. I would be in the 11 sec club if me and 5th got along lol. Awesome runs man, your car is a beast.

This is what I like to see HTA3586 FTW!
@Darksun280; get some slicks and a damn clutch you bum! They are catching you!!!!

I'm just keeping it interesting. Got to dangle the carrot with this bunch.

@NJSPEED3; good shit man! Hold it down for us Failwders!

Sent using my EVO LTE on tappy

good shit gerry. :biggthumpup:

Fuck 5th gear, I'm trying to finish in 4th at this point.
@Darksun280; where were you when I needed you the most Son. U failed me this year but I was still able to scrap something together without you.

What about a shift handle extension for race times to make it easier to hit 5th (serious) ?
Also, 2nd the wheel/tire combo??

Congratulations Gerry Once again all that hard work paid off and its just the beginning :smokin:

Hes running the same wheels as doubleflusher and myself.

Vision Sport Stars.

McCormack Racing : Vision Wheels-Sports Star

tires look like M/H, not sure of the specs on those.

The secret to an unbelievably quick quarter mile is a really good 50'.

Just ask Dantes. :poke:

:kiss:

Great Job Man!

Congrats Gerry!! Awesome runs!

Man niggas were only hitting over 500whp and running times cause I WASN'T there.

Shoulda bought a pu and finish in 4th :-D

I used to steal candy bars from the Korean ladies store down the street...... gotta have quick feet and an accurate hand for that :tongue: i saw my 60 foot going down and couldnt figure out why my 330 wasn't decreasing soooooo now i know thank you for that info bro @Darksun280;

Just trying to save you 10 extra launches trying to figure that stuff out.

I'll use ants vids since you all can relate to his car

http://i45.tinypic.com/250topz.png

You see that orange cone in the bottom left. be it a 6 or a 3 none of you guys shift unless this cone is at your back door at a minimum.

when you hit pro shift status like ant, will, or driver the cone can be at your trunk and then hit the 1-2 with some lightning.

The farther past that cone the better but that's dependent on how high you can rev. My advice if you can't rev higher for drive train reasons. Get a taller tire to make your lives easier

So for comparison to an evo X with a 9k limiter

http://i49.tinypic.com/jkaxpw.png

That's me stretching 1st. it allows us evos to get those 4.5 330fts much easier than you. Notice I'm easily 1 car ahead of where Anthony is at for my 1-2 shift. If I could shift worth a damn I'd get 4.5 60fts but since my 1-2's are slow I get capped to 4.7. That's why I'm thinking taller tires or more revs would really help you guys out

The only thing that changes that math is pure traction. and not no 1.7 60fts I'm talking 1.5's and low 1.6's. A speed 6 on 4 slicks would be able to go a farther distance before shifting because it would literally be using every part of it's tire rotation to move down the track.

I'm finding this interesting as hell. I can honestly say I have never took notice of my distance in relation to that cone, but I will in the future. I'm just so focused on the launch and 60 ft, I really don't even know what rpm I shift in 1st. Regardless, can't break past 2.0 60 ft, no lc used. How does the 330 relate in terms of a 60 ft, I guess like a formula? Like does a 5.0 330 relate to a 1.8 60 ft?

First off congrats to gerry your shit it rocking!!! im ready to see a low 11 sec FWD!!
Not quite 1 gear before the cone...


I think i got about 1/2 a car past it..I think this was my 1.68 pass

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/timeslip.jpg

this was with 19s on it and it think on the second run i did a 1.71


But i think like darksun is saying and i believe it also that if will can get his launch down to the low 1.7s then that should be a 10 sec pass.. He has enough torque to do it as richie rich did a 1.6 on the power that he is making.. Go for it will you can get it.

Good shit Bro! Now lets talk about how you drove ur car off that curb lol.... EYEs to CHINKED I think :njspeed3:

Congrats ninja.

I know its been a long as fuck road for you and an incredible journey.

Most would have given up a long time ago. You persevered through shitty parts, shitty vendors, job/financial situations, etc. You deserve this shit all the way.

Mega props.

Fast car is fast! Was a great day Gerry and mad props to you son, if we had better track prep it would have helped a bit as well.

So what about just saying fuck it all to the clutch and launching in 2nd. It's not like us FWD folks are hooking up at all in first anyway so there is no gearing advantage to using first. Saves you the 1-2 shift time.

Zigatapatalka

Good examples

On the first vid if you had the slip I can tell you shifted way too early but you had a vice nice 1-2 so you lost no momentum.

On the second pass you stretched what 1st gear you had nicely but then noticed your nose dipped. That means you took to long on the shift. And back to 5.0 330s you went.

After a while of staring at this stuff you realize its more math and acts in a play more than anything. We all know that shifting takes 2 tenths for ok drivers right? So any guy who's throwing 2nd before the 60ft cone You are adding .2 tenths to a part of the race where you only get 1.6-1.8 seconds to complete it or it's a throw away pass. That's a hard fact.

My tuner/track coach doesn't like me helping guys. He said this track math stuff is learned over the years and many parts broken and expensive track rentals and test and tunes to figure it out. Usually you keep your own knowledge in your own camp.

He warned me when I publicly help the good guys on the internet I'm also helping the random lurking starkers I didn't want to help to boot.

So i'll leave you guys with that much. I gave you the basics anyway. The run just gets easier as the car goes down the track.

See here is the thing with this though. If you are racing at a higher level then more then likely nothing you say will help any of your competition because they all know this as well. Either way insight given to drivers with little experience is always better then hiding it because when they brake something on the track they are just making a mess of it and taking up more track time.

Excellent run can't wait to see more of these. You think you will be getting to the 10s or is that still a little bit off?

Trust me I threw you a bigger bone than you guys think. I didn't bull shit you with talk of Da and tire pressure did I?

How do I explain this. This will be long winded and allover the place but I'll try and kick some knowledge.

Ant and Will. They got to low 11's off instinct no? They had no coaching like me. Hell Will had no where as much practice as me or ant. But he still did it. But ask him how or why he was able to run that time and I bet he couldn't tell you. For Will no offense his time is more of a random event (no disrespect) than when Anthony runs A time cause Anthony keeps doing it over and over and over until it's by feel. Ant doesn't completely know why either but he knows what the pass should feel like. That makes Ant more consistent or repeatable. Will is more of a raw talent

It's like those movies where there's one Ninja who is a Natural and picks up techniques quick but doesn't know why but he's as good as the other Ninja who studied all the arts and has an understanding of them so he's able to apply them and be dangerous.

Like I've said before Ant's a better driver than me. I always saw that. I was never good at the track. BUT I have better coaching than ANT and a car that allows more room for error. That helps me keep pace.

here is how I view the faster big turbo drivers on this site

Doubleflusher: can drive you can tell this ain't his first rodeo. He's just in a weird platform. Put him in an AWd or RWD car and it would be a different animal.

Ant: He can duplicate a run off feeling. Good base trait to have. Type of guy you make do money runs for you. He's starting to understand the track math which is making him more dangerous as a competitor.

Will: Raw talent but probably has a terrible time swing on his runs. Like hot or cold.

Gerry: He's a thug behind the wheel. Like me he needs guidance to really shine.

Me: I suck at the track. I represent the majority of the members on any forum. Everyone can't be some uber driver with natural talent. But I got lucky and found a track Master to guide me. Even trash like me can match a better driver with enough knowledge and effort on their part.

Driver311: That dude can read and understand a time slip and he had natural track skill to go with lots of practice. Those type of guys are dangerous cause if they have a machine to drive its only a matter of when will they run a good time.

Phil u ok dude? Is someone trolling u? who took this guys account over? Can't recall the last time you posted this much valuable shit for us mazdas.

Keep talking and I'm gonna have to set up a track day for all your mentoring to shine on us.

:njspeed3:

Well my Tuner won't let me help the EvoX community cause he doesn't like the type of owners who get them. You think its a coincidence I'm rocking a 6262 on a full face single disc, and all season tires? That setup is junk but I'm catering to the majority of the people in the platform.

But this community is different. It's still pure with it's performance oriented aspect. You don't have alot of people getting these cars just cause it's the cool thing to do so you have more people who are actually serious about this car game. I don't fit in well over there but here If I help you guys even alittle who knows what could happen.

Little known fact. I'm the fastest pump gas evox in the US. So If I have 4-5 of you guys keeping up with me that's nothing to sneeze at. You guys are going to be faster than alot of other cars with out even realizing it when your done if things go according to plan.

Phil, it sounds like you really care about us little guys....I'm getting a little misty eyed here..(sniff...sniff) just thinking about it.


By the way, I missed you this year, I really wanted to see your car in person.

Congrats Gerry. Your car is scary fast!

Billy ended up not having his evo ready and he was my ride. So I was gonna hitch a ride down like last year but then Abbys GrandPa went into the hospital and had to have emergency surgery on his heart. I'm engaged now I couldn't just leave her during a time like that. There will be other times we'll all meet up I'm sure.

Yes sir, Family before everything else man, I hope all is well with the grandpa.

Awesome. Congrats. Faster.

ugh i cant wait to get back to the track!!!!!!

come on dude, don't be like that give Will sometime to shine.

:njspeed3:

its gona be a while anyway but when i do go back, it will be 10's for sure......

Sunday

Even I get to a point where threads about fast Mazda's turning into comparing them to Evo's is a little ridiculous :tapedshut:

Great run Jerry. Now put the blunt down and practice those low gear shifts

I could of ran 20 times on Sunday. After hitting anything below a 11.7 it was nce, back to :njspeed3: and all my nator peeps that I only get to see once a year. The track will always be there. I've never been greedy with rushing into shit, maybe its why it took half a decade to get here.

For sure I need more seat time, I def need a much longer burn out. Phil I love you, but just fall back and watch me do my thing. All that advice is gonna fuck with my swag Like my homie Voltron says. Next time out I guarantee an improvement on my launch, 1.7 60' or bust.

:njspeed3:

I'm on Gerrys page. I only ran 5 times. My goal was to trap 115. I was stuck at 114 for the first 3 runs, then raised my rev limiter. Once I hit 117, I parked my car and chilled with everyone. Epic day, and glad I parked my car. I got to see tons of people including Gerry and Will tear it up.

Sent from your couch

I'll take darkies advice then lol.

But if you only go 5.0 to the 330 it's all for nothing.

I'll let you be though.

I'm going again soon. I just threw a new clutch in my car today. My old one was fine but couldn't tell till you take it out. Not bad for 40 launches.

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/u...417_144210.jpg

So when are we going to see a speed3 in the 10s?

I say get a 6 in the 10's first on American soil. Then work on the 3's

Ehhh 3 is before 6 lol:drive:

Gerry, congrats on the 11s man. I'm sure it feels good. @Darksun280; thanks for helping me make more sense of the 60' and 330' man. I figured the 60' was all about the launch, but clearly I was wrong lol. If I get an 11sec pass this Fri, I would not have been able to do it without your advice. Now lets see some BT speeds rockin the 10s

Well the 60 is about the launch. But guys on here keep shifting before the 60ft cone. The 330 is a combo of your launch, 1st gear stretch, and your 1-2 shift.

Well yes, the launch is clearly a major part of a 60' but I never thought about the shifting. I dont even know if I'm shifting before the cone. I will pay attention to that from now on.

Yeah some people do better with a visual marker. I walk the track along the side up to the 330 and give my self a visual spot like a banner or marking I won't shift till I'm at no matter what.

Also this stuff I'm talking about only applies to a certain amount of cars. V8's some times have crazy gearing where their launch and 330 are all in the same gear with out a shift.

The way i shift my car is by feel and sound mostly feel though. In first gear i feel how well the car launched which will determine how long i will have to be in that gear and also when i feel the power drop off so it will be time to shift. If you dont let out clutch at the right time and have the rpms at the right point then you can either lag/bog or you can get that good 60ft.

One thing that most dont know or pay attention to is when you stage and are about to launch is where your clutch pedal is and what i mean about that is most people have the pedal on the floor when they tach the rpms up and by the time they engage the clutch if they wanted to launch at 4000 or what ever rpm you want to launch at they will be much higher in the rpm band which in most cases will induce spinning(fwd or rwd and some higher powered AWDs).

Or because you want to get to engagement so fast then you DUMP the clutch and you most likely bog from the speed of the clutch engaging and load put on the engine and the rpms dropping. That is what it look like will did on his launch.

I have found that if you learn where the clutch is at it highest point BEFORE engagement then when you are ready to take off you should get the best launch. For those that want to try this method you WILL bog if you are not quick with the gas..

last is how many press the clutch all the way to the floor when shifting? If you know how far to push it to disengage and shift this will save you some time with in your shift from gear to gear.

Hope this helps someone.... There is more but i did want to bore you with all those details.

Sorry for turning this into a DRIVING thread this about gerry sorry.......

Damn! Nicely done! I can only dream of doing that someday in the speed

I Tapped that

I predict a shit ton of speeds to be in the 11s within the next 2 years. 10s are now the new 11s.

:njspeed3:

I did 12.7@108 with a Cobb sf, Cobb ap and a tune(259whp@280wtq) on Toyo RA1, so BT speed3 would be easy in the 10 :)

Your ricer math is expert

Give me a 400whp speed3 and i hit 10's for sure

You wanna see my ricer style..... ho wait, it look like your's ...that's funny

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ps677adc73.jpg

it's about time this changed. maybe the 1/4 gen 2 page should have pending... listed under 11's not LOL.

I can't hate on a man with orange wheels lolol

lol

But seriously, a lot of people don't know how to feel a car on a 1/4 miles from the star to the shifting point.

Here in Montreal, i see a lot of speed3 with over 300whp strugling to get in the low 13's

The first car i put on a drag strip was 15years ago and now i think i have more than 1000 pass on the 1/4.

I hear ya man. But you got to remember

an inexperienced driver

+

a car not setup right for a drag pass

=

bad track times.

my approach is overkill it with power to counter for my inexperience and lack of seat time. lol

:njspeed3:

I think the launch is the most crucial part of the qtr mile..... If you screw the launch you are just spending time trying to make up for what you messed up in the beginning.. and in some cases its worse than missing a gear. No matter how good you shift through the rest of the qtr mile..

I know 4 losers with evo 8's that trap 144 and run solid 11.4's


Don't be like those suckers......

hey we can't all be awesome well seasoned drag racers. I for one never gave a shit what people think of my driving.

I'm trying to have fun and gain experience at the same time. All in all I probably have under 20 passes with slicks on this car. The 3 runs I did a few weeks ago were on a completely new slick set up. So make that 3 passes ever on that set up and tune.


Enjoy your car 1st and foremost.



:njspeed3:

Nah son kind of talk is for the weak. That's like a car like yours on slicks running 12.8's and saying "Well at least I love my car"

Fuck outta here.

Personally I feel like any of you big turbo guys in any kind of 11's is respectable. Can't knock a man for that. Thats a solid street car. I'd even let the 12.0-12.1 guys slide. but 12.3 and lower means alot of foolishness is going on during that 1320 that needs to be addressed.

Most people don't know what it's like to launch a 500+whp MS3 with slicks.

It's quite the experience.

Keeping the car in your lane is an achievement in and of itself.

It has been asked a few times and I didnt see it if answered. What size slicks and brand/type are you guys running?

@NJSPEED3; is running M&H Racemaster in 26x8.5x15

GOOD JOB!!!!

For this year, i'm trying 26x 9.50-16 on infinity RX7 FD wheels

I just want to stay in 4th at the end of the 1/4, but maybe it's gonna be to big for my whp

Congrats Gerry!!!