finally 11s

[Monotonous ONE]

Congrats ninja.

I know its been a long as fuck road for you and an incredible journey.

Most would have given up a long time ago. You persevered through shitty parts, shitty vendors, job/financial situations, etc. You deserve this shit all the way.

Mega props.

[kritz]

Fast car is fast! Was a great day Gerry and mad props to you son, if we had better track prep it would have helped a bit as well.

[Ziggo]

So what about just saying fuck it all to the clutch and launching in 2nd. It's not like us FWD folks are hooking up at all in first anyway so there is no gearing advantage to using first. Saves you the 1-2 shift time.

Zigatapatalka

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast First off congrats to gerry your shit it rocking!!! im ready to see a low 11 sec FWD!! Not quite 1 gear before the cone... First USDM Mazdaspeed 6 in the 11's - YouTube I think i got about 1/2 a car past it..I think this was my 1.68 pass Charles runs 12.28 @ 112 - YouTube this was with 19s on it and it think on the second run i did a 1.71 Charles at MIR 2010 - YouTube But i think like darksun is saying and i believe it also that if will can get his launch down to the low 1.7s then that should be a 10 sec pass.. He has enough torque to do it as richie rich did a 1.6 on the power that he is making.. Go for it will you can get it.

Good examples

On the first vid if you had the slip I can tell you shifted way too early but you had a vice nice 1-2 so you lost no momentum.

On the second pass you stretched what 1st gear you had nicely but then noticed your nose dipped. That means you took to long on the shift. And back to 5.0 330s you went.

After a while of staring at this stuff you realize its more math and acts in a play more than anything. We all know that shifting takes 2 tenths for ok drivers right? So any guy who's throwing 2nd before the 60ft cone You are adding .2 tenths to a part of the race where you only get 1.6-1.8 seconds to complete it or it's a throw away pass. That's a hard fact.

[Darksun280]

My tuner/track coach doesn't like me helping guys. He said this track math stuff is learned over the years and many parts broken and expensive track rentals and test and tunes to figure it out. Usually you keep your own knowledge in your own camp.

He warned me when I publicly help the good guys on the internet I'm also helping the random lurking starkers I didn't want to help to boot.

So i'll leave you guys with that much. I gave you the basics anyway. The run just gets easier as the car goes down the track.

[navyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 My tuner/track coach doesn't like me helping guys. He said this track math stuff is learned over the years and many parts broken and expensive track rentals and test and tunes to figure it out. Usually you keep your own knowledge in your own camp. He warned me when I publicly help the good guys on the internet I'm also helping the random lurking starkers I didn't want to help to boot. So i'll leave you guys with that much. I gave you the basics anyway. The run just gets easier as the car goes down the track.

See here is the thing with this though. If you are racing at a higher level then more then likely nothing you say will help any of your competition because they all know this as well. Either way insight given to drivers with little experience is always better then hiding it because when they brake something on the track they are just making a mess of it and taking up more track time.

Excellent run can't wait to see more of these. You think you will be getting to the 10s or is that still a little bit off?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by navyspeed3 See here is the thing with this though. If you are racing at a higher level then more then likely nothing you say will help any of your competition because they all know this as well. Either way insight given to drivers with little experience is always better then hiding it because when they brake something on the track they are just making a mess of it and taking up more track time. Excellent run can't wait to see more of these. You think you will be getting to the 10s or is that still a little bit off?

Trust me I threw you a bigger bone than you guys think. I didn't bull shit you with talk of Da and tire pressure did I?

How do I explain this. This will be long winded and allover the place but I'll try and kick some knowledge.

Ant and Will. They got to low 11's off instinct no? They had no coaching like me. Hell Will had no where as much practice as me or ant. But he still did it. But ask him how or why he was able to run that time and I bet he couldn't tell you. For Will no offense his time is more of a random event (no disrespect) than when Anthony runs A time cause Anthony keeps doing it over and over and over until it's by feel. Ant doesn't completely know why either but he knows what the pass should feel like. That makes Ant more consistent or repeatable. Will is more of a raw talent

It's like those movies where there's one Ninja who is a Natural and picks up techniques quick but doesn't know why but he's as good as the other Ninja who studied all the arts and has an understanding of them so he's able to apply them and be dangerous.

Like I've said before Ant's a better driver than me. I always saw that. I was never good at the track. BUT I have better coaching than ANT and a car that allows more room for error. That helps me keep pace.

here is how I view the faster big turbo drivers on this site

Doubleflusher: can drive you can tell this ain't his first rodeo. He's just in a weird platform. Put him in an AWd or RWD car and it would be a different animal.

Ant: He can duplicate a run off feeling. Good base trait to have. Type of guy you make do money runs for you. He's starting to understand the track math which is making him more dangerous as a competitor.

Will: Raw talent but probably has a terrible time swing on his runs. Like hot or cold.

Gerry: He's a thug behind the wheel. Like me he needs guidance to really shine.

Me: I suck at the track. I represent the majority of the members on any forum. Everyone can't be some uber driver with natural talent. But I got lucky and found a track Master to guide me. Even trash like me can match a better driver with enough knowledge and effort on their part.

Driver311: That dude can read and understand a time slip and he had natural track skill to go with lots of practice. Those type of guys are dangerous cause if they have a machine to drive its only a matter of when will they run a good time.

[NJSPEED3]

Phil u ok dude? Is someone trolling u? who took this guys account over? Can't recall the last time you posted this much valuable shit for us mazdas.

Keep talking and I'm gonna have to set up a track day for all your mentoring to shine on us.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 Phil u ok dude? Is someone trolling u? who took this guys account over? Can't recall the last time you posted this much valuable shit for us mazdas. Keep talking and I'm gonna have to set up a track day for all your mentoring to shine on us.

Well my Tuner won't let me help the EvoX community cause he doesn't like the type of owners who get them. You think its a coincidence I'm rocking a 6262 on a full face single disc, and all season tires? That setup is junk but I'm catering to the majority of the people in the platform.

But this community is different. It's still pure with it's performance oriented aspect. You don't have alot of people getting these cars just cause it's the cool thing to do so you have more people who are actually serious about this car game. I don't fit in well over there but here If I help you guys even alittle who knows what could happen.

Little known fact. I'm the fastest pump gas evox in the US. So If I have 4-5 of you guys keeping up with me that's nothing to sneeze at. You guys are going to be faster than alot of other cars with out even realizing it when your done if things go according to plan.

[SilverDemon]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 But this community is different. It's still pure with it's performance oriented aspect. You don't have alot of people getting these cars just cause it's the cool thing to do so you have more people who are actually serious about this car game. I don't fit in well over there but here If I help you guys even alittle who knows what could happen. Little known fact. I'm the fastest pump gas evox in the US. So If I have 4-5 of you guys keeping up with me that's nothing to sneeze at. You guys are going to be faster than alot of other cars with out even realizing it when your done if things go according to plan.

Phil, it sounds like you really care about us little guys....I'm getting a little misty eyed here..(sniff...sniff) just thinking about it.


By the way, I missed you this year, I really wanted to see your car in person.

[RichieRichness]

Congrats Gerry. Your car is scary fast!

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by SilverDemon Phil, it sounds like you really care about us little guys....I'm getting a little misty eyed here..(sniff...sniff) just thinking about it. By the way, I missed you this year, I really wanted to see your car in person.

Billy ended up not having his evo ready and he was my ride. So I was gonna hitch a ride down like last year but then Abbys GrandPa went into the hospital and had to have emergency surgery on his heart. I'm engaged now I couldn't just leave her during a time like that. There will be other times we'll all meet up I'm sure.

[SilverDemon]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Billy ended up not having his evo ready and he was my ride. So I was gonna hitch a ride down like last year but then Abbys GrandPa went into the hospital and had to have emergency surgery on his heart. I'm engaged now I couldn't just leave her during a time like that. There will be other times we'll all meet up I'm sure.

Yes sir, Family before everything else man, I hope all is well with the grandpa.

[SpencerC]

Awesome. Congrats. Faster.

[superskaterxes]

ugh i cant wait to get back to the track!!!!!!

[NJSPEED3]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes ugh i cant wait to get back to the track!!!!!!

come on dude, don't be like that give Will sometime to shine.

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 come on dude, don't be like that give Will sometime to shine.

its gona be a while anyway but when i do go back, it will be 10's for sure......

[doubleflusher]

Sunday

[4G63]

Even I get to a point where threads about fast Mazda's turning into comparing them to Evo's is a little ridiculous

Great run Jerry. Now put the blunt down and practice those low gear shifts

[NJSPEED3]

I could of ran 20 times on Sunday. After hitting anything below a 11.7 it was nce, back to and all my nator peeps that I only get to see once a year. The track will always be there. I've never been greedy with rushing into shit, maybe its why it took half a decade to get here.

For sure I need more seat time, I def need a much longer burn out. Phil I love you, but just fall back and watch me do my thing. All that advice is gonna fuck with my swag Like my homie Voltron says. Next time out I guarantee an improvement on my launch, 1.7 60' or bust.

[atvfreek]

I'm on Gerrys page. I only ran 5 times. My goal was to trap 115. I was stuck at 114 for the first 3 runs, then raised my rev limiter. Once I hit 117, I parked my car and chilled with everyone. Epic day, and glad I parked my car. I got to see tons of people including Gerry and Will tear it up.

Sent from your couch

[dantes5823]

I'll take darkies advice then lol.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 I could of ran 20 times on Sunday. After hitting anything below a 11.7 it was nce, back to and all my nator peeps that I only get to see once a year. The track will always be there. I've never been greedy with rushing into shit, maybe its why it took half a decade to get here. For sure I need more seat time, I def need a much longer burn out. Phil I love you, but just fall back and watch me do my thing. All that advice is gonna fuck with my swag Like my homie Voltron says. Next time out I guarantee an improvement on my launch, 1.7 60' or bust.

But if you only go 5.0 to the 330 it's all for nothing.

I'll let you be though.

Originally Posted by superskaterxes ugh i cant wait to get back to the track!!!!!!

I'm going again soon. I just threw a new clutch in my car today. My old one was fine but couldn't tell till you take it out. Not bad for 40 launches.

[navyspeed3]

So when are we going to see a speed3 in the 10s?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by navyspeed3 So when are we going to see a speed3 in the 10s?

I say get a 6 in the 10's first on American soil. Then work on the 3's

[navyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 I say get a 6 in the 10's first on American soil. Then work on the 3's

Ehhh 3 is before 6 lol

[h.h.sk1nny]

Gerry, congrats on the 11s man. I'm sure it feels good. @Darksun280; thanks for helping me make more sense of the 60' and 330' man. I figured the 60' was all about the launch, but clearly I was wrong lol. If I get an 11sec pass this Fri, I would not have been able to do it without your advice. Now lets see some BT speeds rockin the 10s

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny Gerry, congrats on the 11s man. I'm sure it feels good. @Darksun280; thanks for helping me make more sense of the 60' and 330' man. I figured the 60' was all about the launch, but clearly I was wrong lol. If I get an 11sec pass this Fri, I would not have been able to do it without your advice. Now lets see some BT speeds rockin the 10s

Well the 60 is about the launch. But guys on here keep shifting before the 60ft cone. The 330 is a combo of your launch, 1st gear stretch, and your 1-2 shift.

[h.h.sk1nny]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Well the 60 is about the launch. But guys on here keep shifting before the 60ft cone. The 330 is a combo of your launch, 1st gear stretch, and your 1-2 shift.

Well yes, the launch is clearly a major part of a 60' but I never thought about the shifting. I dont even know if I'm shifting before the cone. I will pay attention to that from now on.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny Well yes, the launch is clearly a major part of a 60' but I never thought about the shifting. I dont even know if I'm shifting before the cone. I will pay attention to that from now on.

Yeah some people do better with a visual marker. I walk the track along the side up to the 330 and give my self a visual spot like a banner or marking I won't shift till I'm at no matter what.

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Yeah some people do better with a visual marker. I walk the track along the side up to the 330 and give my self a visual spot like a banner or marking I won't shift till I'm at no matter what.

Also this stuff I'm talking about only applies to a certain amount of cars. V8's some times have crazy gearing where their launch and 330 are all in the same gear with out a shift.

[qtrmile beast]

The way i shift my car is by feel and sound mostly feel though. In first gear i feel how well the car launched which will determine how long i will have to be in that gear and also when i feel the power drop off so it will be time to shift. If you dont let out clutch at the right time and have the rpms at the right point then you can either lag/bog or you can get that good 60ft.

One thing that most dont know or pay attention to is when you stage and are about to launch is where your clutch pedal is and what i mean about that is most people have the pedal on the floor when they tach the rpms up and by the time they engage the clutch if they wanted to launch at 4000 or what ever rpm you want to launch at they will be much higher in the rpm band which in most cases will induce spinning(fwd or rwd and some higher powered AWDs).

Or because you want to get to engagement so fast then you DUMP the clutch and you most likely bog from the speed of the clutch engaging and load put on the engine and the rpms dropping. That is what it look like will did on his launch.

I have found that if you learn where the clutch is at it highest point BEFORE engagement then when you are ready to take off you should get the best launch. For those that want to try this method you WILL bog if you are not quick with the gas..

last is how many press the clutch all the way to the floor when shifting? If you know how far to push it to disengage and shift this will save you some time with in your shift from gear to gear.

Hope this helps someone.... There is more but i did want to bore you with all those details.

Sorry for turning this into a DRIVING thread this about gerry sorry.......

[Sweetsandman]

Damn! Nicely done! I can only dream of doing that someday in the speed

I Tapped that

[NJSPEED3]

Originally Posted by Sweetsandman Damn! Nicely done! I can only dream of doing that someday in the speed I Tapped that

I predict a shit ton of speeds to be in the 11s within the next 2 years. 10s are now the new 11s.

[mrdouble99]

I did 12.7@108 with a Cobb sf, Cobb ap and a tune(259whp@280wtq) on Toyo RA1, so BT speed3 would be easy in the 10

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by mrdouble99 I did 12.7@108 with a Cobb sf, Cobb ap and a tune(259whp@280wtq) on Toyo RA1, so BT speed3 would be easy in the 10

Your ricer math is expert

[mrdouble99]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 Your ricer math is expert

Give me a 400whp speed3 and i hit 10's for sure

You wanna see my ricer style..... ho wait, it look like your's ...that's funny

[snailD]

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 I predict a shit ton of speeds to be in the 11s within the next 2 years. 10s are now the new 11s.

it's about time this changed. maybe the 1/4 gen 2 page should have pending... listed under 11's not LOL.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by mrdouble99 Give me a 400whp speed3 and i hit 10's for sure You wanna see my ricer style..... ho wait, it look like your's ...that's funny

I can't hate on a man with orange wheels lolol

[mrdouble99]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 I can't hate on a man with orange wheels lolol

lol

But seriously, a lot of people don't know how to feel a car on a 1/4 miles from the star to the shifting point.

Here in Montreal, i see a lot of speed3 with over 300whp strugling to get in the low 13's

The first car i put on a drag strip was 15years ago and now i think i have more than 1000 pass on the 1/4.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by mrdouble99 lol But seriously, a lot of people don't know how to feel a car on a 1/4 miles from the star to the shifting point. Here in Montreal, i see a lot of speed3 with over 300whp strugling to get in the low 13's The first car i put on a drag strip was 15years ago and now i think i have more than 1000 pass on the 1/4.

I hear ya man. But you got to remember

an inexperienced driver

+

a car not setup right for a drag pass

=

bad track times.