I Failed Miserably

[jwilkins88]

So I finally got to go to the track with the ole girl, and I fucking failed miserably. I have no doubt, however, that my car is a fuckin' 11 second car in the right hands.

Things I was disappointed with:

1. My 60'
2. My ET (kinda tied to the 60', ya know?)
3. My missed shifts... FML
4. My trap speed
5. The videos that were taken (none of them are even worth posting)
6. The fact that I forgot my laptop, so I couldn't make any adjustments to my tune

Things I was ok with:

1. My burnouts... Towards the end, I had some nice smokey burnouts
2. My shifting when I wasn't missing gears
3. My stock clutch held like a champ. No slipping
4. I didn't blow up
5. I'm running 27ish psi and hella timing, and I didn't get any knock
6. My car felt fucking awesome once I got out of first

I say all that to say this:

I didn't get 11s. I ran mid 12s sorta kinda consistently when I wasn't missing shifts.

I couldn't get my 60' below a 2.0. That was killing me. I think I need to raise my LC settings, but I couldn't do it at the track because I forgot my laptop. I'm a fucking tard.

My best run of the night was a 2.03 60', 118 mph trap, and a 12.5. Fairly mediocre.

I'd love to post vids, but, as I mentioned previously, none of them are worth posting.

[Stealth01]

Give it time. You just got that tune, so it'll take some time to get used to it and learn to harness all that power.

60' times for an MS3 will always be tough to improve on, too. Especially with big power.

[qtrmile beast]

One or two more times at the track and you should be at least in the very low 12s. But that is some very good mph!!! That thing will fly from a roll!!!! Does it feel like each gear the car pull harder the the last one and never lets up?? Good run buddy. When are you going to try it again?

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast One or two more times at the track and you should be at least in the very low 12s. But that is some very good mph!!! That thing will fly from a roll!!!! Does it feel like each gear the car pull harder the the last one and never lets up?? Good run buddy. When are you going to try it again?

Thanks man... I can't help but be a little bit disappointed, but such is life.

It felt so fucking good man. I raced a mustang in one of those, and he got like a 1.8 60', but by 3rd gear, I passed his ass.

I'm hoping to get to a "local" (about 3 hours away) track sometime next month. We'll see. I think I want to do some suspension work first.

Edit:

[spnkr21]

Do you shift at redline or do you feel the power taper before then?
What were you launching at.
May be a newb? But does AP LC cut ignition to build boost?
Were you dumping clutch at line?

Burn outs are easy in a waterbox

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 Do you shift at redline or do you feel the power taper before then?

I was shifting around 6300. That's where we saw my power taper on the dyno.

Originally Posted by spnkr21 What were you launching at.

I was launching at 4500

Originally Posted by spnkr21 May be a newb? But does AP LC cut ignition to build boost?

Yes sir... I need mine to be higher

Originally Posted by spnkr21 Were you dumping clutch at line?

I did on my last run (the 12.6), but on the others, I slipped until I felt forward momentum, and then I let it out all the way.

Originally Posted by spnkr21 Burn outs are easy in a waterbox

Yeah, but amazingly, my first two sucked... No smoke. I had to shift into second to get enough heat.

Edit: My first time up to the line, I had all sorts of jitters, so I accidentally put the car into reverse while I was in the water box... It was an experience... They laughed at me...

[spnkr21]

I've only dragged this car with hockey pucks but, I'm pretty sure everyone says to dump the clutch with slicks.
Did you stay in first till 6k or shift when you started rolling?

[predapio]

Well done Joel. You'll get the hang of it once you're used to it.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by spnkr21 I've only dragged this car with hockey pucks but, I'm pretty sure everyone says to dump the clutch with slicks. Did you stay in first till 6k or shift when you started rolling? 1st is useless so I pretty much shift right away.

I actually got traction, so I was shifting at 6300 like all the other gears. I got mad spark blowout from 5-6k though, so it just drained my power. I didn't realize what was happening until my last run, but it was too late by then.

[DSIT995]

Not to shabby for ur 1st time out with the car in its latest setup, just a lil practice and u will be in the 11's..... fo show

[Speed3eak]

Yeah, don't be disappointed that you didn't cut an 11 sec 1/4 your first time out drag racing a high-hp fwd car with a big turbo that you had to launch at 4500 rpm.

That shit is difficult and what I find more impressive is how your clutch and engine held up. I'm looking forwards to some more dyno sheets when you get to sea level, and then some timeslips once you get your setup sorted out.

Even though you're claiming fail, this is still win in terms of us finding out the potential of our engines and drivetrains.

[8.5MS3]

haha what was running a 2.7 sec 60' and 18's?

[TheMush]

trapping 118 is impressive, if you can get that 60' down you will be mid 11s. Nice work. The power is there, give it a few more times.
I imagine you are running some sort of drag radial? Are you getting tire spin on the launch?

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 haha what was running a 2.7 sec 60' and 18's?

That was probably dustin hahaha...

Originally Posted by TheMush trapping 118 is impressive, if you can get that 60' down you will be mid 11s. Nice work. The power is there, give it a few more times. I imagine you are running some sort of drag radial? Are you getting tire spin on the launch?

I was running Hoosier Quick Time Pros... I was actually bogging on launch. They're sticky mofos. I need to up my LC

[802MS3]

Nice man. Dump that clutch next time. The slicks will absorb the shock. What psi in the tires?

The track is a totally different experience than the street, as im sure you found out. Its easy to get the hitters when you are on the spot. It took me 20+ passes to get a 13.5 on street tires

[TheMush]

What gear are you in when you hit the traps?

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 Nice man. Dump that clutch next time. The slicks will absorb the shock. What psi in the tires? The track is a totally different experience than the street, as im sure you found out. Its easy to get the hitters when you are on the spot. It took me 20+ passes to get a 13.5 on street tires

We started the night at 15 psi, but by the end we were down to 11 psi and my 60' hadn't improved at all...

That's why I'm thinking that either

A) I just suck that much
B) I need to up my LC

I honestly think it's a combination of the two though...

Edit: I lied... We only took them down to 12 psi

[Darksun280]

what was you're LC at anyway. Most people try like mid 4k and get owned. I say 5k minimum. When you get a good lunch its gonna feel like your spinning and sloshy but your actually covering good ground.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 what was you're LC at anyway. Most people try like mid 4k and get owned. I say 5k minimum. When you get a good lunch its gonna feel like your spinning and sloshy but your actually covering good ground.

You hit it dead one, mighty dark one. Dustin and I had it set at 4500

[Fagwagon]

We need to go to the track when u get back. That way I can coach u. Lol

That's a decent 60 but a 1.8 can definitely be done I've seen it on skeet tires in an ms3. You actually need to lower your launch control as it is probably fucking your launch. Maybe even remove the LC and launch without it. I know it sounds gay. Launch control with the AP really sucks and it caused me to bog alot also when I was running the 12.8s or whatever I ran.

Give it a few more tries at a local ish track ( i guess kc). And I u cant get it lower I'll take a stab at it haha

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by Fagwagon We need to go to the track when u get back. That way I can coach u. Lol That's a decent 60 but a 1.8 can definitely be done I've seen it on skeet tires in an ms3. You actually need to lower your launch control as it is probably fucking your launch. Maybe even remove the LC and launch without it. I know it sounds gay. Launch control with the AP really sucks and it caused me to bog alot also when I was running the 12.8s or whatever I ran. Give it a few more tries at a local ish track ( i guess kc). And I u cant get it lower I'll take a stab at it haha

That's an interesting idea... I wanna go to KC whenever their track opens and see what I can do.

If I had my laptop, I could have experimented a little bit, but I'm a fucking dumbass... I'll definitely let you track her a couple times though.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by jwilkins88 I was running Hoosier Quick Time Pros... I was actually bogging on launch. They're sticky mofos. I need to up my LC

im gonna saying if they are hooking that hard 5300 is going to be a sweet spot.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by Darksun280 im gonna saying if they are hooking that hard 5300 is going to be a sweet spot.

Yeah mang... I'm gonna try that next. I was gonna up it to 5k, but I'll go ahead and up it to 5300

[TheMush]

Ill preface by saying I have no experience with this car or FWD at the track
But if you are bogging off the line, and running 12psi in your tires id say thats part of it.
I also dont have experience with those particular radials either.
But if you arent spinning, and are bogging down..id raise the PSI in the tires. Id keep filling them until you start spinning off the line. That will help eliminate your bogging issue and improve on trap MPH. You may pick up a mph or two. Now if you were spinning at 15psi or 12 psi..that would be a different story.
If you just keep raises your launch RPM you are running out of gear and hp at the top of the RPM range. And you are also going to have more chance of clutch slip before it locks up good.

But thats my opinion...

On a side note in regards to launching at 4500rpm...has anyone ever broke front axles on these cars?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by jwilkins88 Yeah mang... I'm gonna try that next. I was gonna up it to 5k, but I'll go ahead and up it to 5300

Remember even if they FEEL like they are spinning just stick to the plan and ride things out, bang those gears.

[Fagwagon]

U need to slip the clutch using launch control don't just drop it.. Every time I would drop at that high, I would bog and end up short shifting or missing a gear.

[PunjabiPlaya]

YouTube - You can do it montage.

YouTube - You can do it montage.

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by Fagwagon U need to slip the clutch using launch control don't just drop it.. Every time I would drop at that high, I would bog and end up short shifting or missing a gear.

Depends actually. You bog if there is too much traction or you launched too low so if your gonna dump the clutch make sure you have a high rev limit. If your gonna slip 43-4800 is fine.

[driver311]

Originally Posted by jwilkins88 Yeah mang... I'm gonna try that next. I was gonna up it to 5k, but I'll go ahead and up it to 5300

Lc isnt gonna work the same every day every track. amb temps, tire temps, track prep all play part on launch. The best tool is you. I have never been able to duplicate what my brain to feet work can do with lc.

My suggestion. Huge 2nd gear burnout, 11psi in tires, launch the shit out of that bitch at like 5500 and bang those gears. Do not for any reason slip the fucking clutch man. Shitty 60s and fucked clutch will shortly follow a slipping off the line.

You will get many many different suggestion but only you can make it work. Ive bar far put the best 60fts down in this car and hope that has some weight, but take what everyone says with a grain of salt. Just go out there and learn for yourself. All cars and tracks are different and no one way is gonna stand true every time. Good luck pimpin. I have to wait 5 weeks now so i hope someone gets it before me, I really do. I dont plan on going out there an fucking around LOL

[Fagwagon]

You need a 2-step to really have control over launching the AP fails with its LC.

I will give it a shot at the track! for sure.

[Fagwagon]

if you have a vid of your 12.5 run, i want to see it.

[4G63]

Originally Posted by Fagwagon We need to go to the track when u get back. That way I can coach u. Lol Launch control with the AP really sucks and it caused me to bog alot also when I was running the 12.8s

12.9. @ 113 not bad either for a novice as 95% of us on here are.

YouTube - fagwagon's ms3

YouTube - fagwagon's ms3

Let's get a coach with better times ex: Driver. 12.5 on stock turbo compared to any 12 on big turbo owns all.

I'm proud of u Joel. Everyone is gonna hate, screw em ur car is the fastest MS3 ON THIS FORUM AND THE WORLD they're just jealous my friend. Thanks for the attempt man you'll get it soon it's truly inevitable

[rodrigo]

joel, the ONLY thing u failed at was being realistic with your expectations.

its funny cuz anthony calls me up yesterday and hes asking me if u hit 11s lol....im like.."niggah, this ginger will come back with a 12.6 at high teens mph"....

your car is def gonna run 11s....but it will take a few outings for u to chop a few tenths off the 60'....a couple of tenths off the shifting...and it will happen.....just be realistic.....how could anyone that hasnt drag raced this car possibly have done much better?


congrats, u did a great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[4G63]

It's ok to groan me Brian 12.9 is pretty fail on big turbo I'll post my 12s on stock turbo when the time comes let ya know how it's done

[PunjabiPlaya]

+1 for practice and getting used to the "new" car

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by AdrenalineRush 12.9. @ 113 not bad either for a novice as 95% of us on here are. YouTube - fagwagon's ms3 Let's get a coach with better times ex: Driver. 12.5 on stock turbo compared to any 12 on big turbo owns all. I'm proud of u Joel. Everyone is gonna hate, screw em ur car is the fastest MS3 ON THIS FORUM AND THE WORLD they're just jealous my friend. Thanks for the attempt man you'll get it soon it's truly inevitable

I've accomplished more in 5 measly track runs than u ever will with your ms3...I'm definitely not on the "novice" level with you as you put it.

His car is way faster than mine ever was to begin with. It's definitly in the 11 second range and I have a few ideas for him for the next time he goes to the track tO help him hit that goal.

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by AdrenalineRush It's ok to groan me Brian 12.9 is pretty fail on big turbo I'll post my 12s on stock turbo when the time comes let ya know how it's done

You can't compare a stock turbo to a big turbo at the track. It's a lot easier to drive a slow fully bolted car than it is to drive a 400 + hp car. Get a little experience under your belt and then talk to me about fail.

[JMEngineer]

What track was this?

Even though you didn't hit 11's it's nice to see the those trap speeds. LOL at 17.91 @ 92.18 mph (and a 2.8 60') in the second pic.

[4G63]

I'm not gonna compare dick sizes here u no longer own an MS3 so ur input is no longer valid for me. I ran a 13.7 with intake and ghetto ass Falkens. 12s will be cake when the time comes if it ever does. My car will be an autoX car this spring/summer not trying to make my fail wheel drive a drag car really wasn't ever what this car was meant for obviously.

Ya need to get the stick outta your ass don't even know why u became such a hater towards me. To each his own This is Joels thread I'll debate no longer. Sorry Joel you'll get 11s within time big ups for all you've done and will continue to do for this platform

[Fagwagon]

Originally Posted by AdrenalineRush I'm not gonna compare dick sizes here u no longer own an MS3 so ur input is no longer valid for me. I ran a 13.7 with intake and ghetto ass Falkens. 12s will be cake when the time comes if it ever does. My car will be an autoX car this spring/summer not trying to make my fail wheel drive a drag car really wasn't ever what this car was meant for obviously. Ya need to get the stick outta your ass don't even know why u became such a hater towards me. To each his own This is Joels thread I'll debate no longer. Sorry Joel you'll get 11s within time big ups for all you've done and will continue to do for this platform

You are the one who started this dude you bring it upon yourself. I don't own an ms3 you are right. But just because you stop going to school it doesn't mean you didnt learn anything while you were there. Your reasoning is way off dude.