I Failed Miserably

[NJSPEED3]

Congrats Joel! You did really well for your first runs. I had the same issue with the misfires at the track. I was running the same tune for a week prior to the track with no issues. Almost every run I has I would misfire at mid to high range rpms. I'm looking for an ignition amp to help smooth that out. You should jump on one asap.

[driver311]

I stretch my springs every time I go to the track. Seems to help alot. Ive yet to get any cut on this new motor.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by NJSPEED3 Congrats Joel! You did really well for your first runs. I had the same issue with the misfires at the track. I was running the same tune for a week prior to the track with no issues. Almost every run I has I would misfire at mid to high range rpms. I'm looking for an ignition amp to help smooth that out. You should jump on one asap.

Yeah man... dustin and I have some ideas about the shit. I think I'm gonna try the kenne bell bas.

We'll see what happens.

[Fagwagon]

did you....FLAT FOOOOT!?

[JMEngineer]

You gotta double clutch

[ScarMS3]

Yeah he already said he was granny shifting

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by Fagwagon did you....FLAT FOOOOT!?

On a couple runs I flat footed. On others, I granny shifted.

Originally Posted by JMEngineer You gotta double clutch

Vin diesel taught me the way, but no one races the way he does

[rodrigo]

/ in b4 the post of the thread


look at the positive in life joel, at least this time u didnt stick your tongue in some dude's mouth.

[predapio]

Originally Posted by lenny127 / in b4 the post of the thread look at the positive in life joel, at least this time u didnt WILLINGLY stick your tongue in some dude's mouth.

Fixed to reflect actual events.

[Haltech]

He is learning and needs more time behind the wheel drag racing.

I do question the prep on that track. It was windy, moist and cold. I think he would of gotten damn near a 12.0 once we got the tire pressure down lower.

We didnt have an airtank, so we had to creep down in PSI. I think he will start with 12 psi next time out the gate. I told him to fuck his LC, but Joel doesn't like every time he is coached. He will learn eventually

[superskaterxes]

good shit joel, 118 is nothing to be disappointed about esp if you managed it with the rest of your fail haha.


lenny u need to take some launch advice from this mofo and stop cleaning out the MS3 after market of clutches haha

[BrianZX10R]

isnt 118 the fast trap speed of any ms3 yet?

[Haltech]

He would of trapped 119 last night, i know it.

[11cruzito11]

Originally Posted by BrianGT3076 isnt 118 the fast trap speed of any ms3 yet?

I think socks did 119mph with nitrous.

[spnkr21]

Woulda coulda

[ScarMS3]

You are just a Ray of sunshine and a source of encouragement aren't you

[superskaterxes]

what about RR?


hahahahahahahahahahaha

[spnkr21]

Originally Posted by ScarMS3 You are just a Ray of sunshine and a source of encouragement aren't you

Am I wrong?

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by TheMush Ill preface by saying I have no experience with this car or FWD at the track But if you are bogging off the line, and running 12psi in your tires id say thats part of it. I also dont have experience with those particular radials either. But if you arent spinning, and are bogging down..id raise the PSI in the tires. Id keep filling them until you start spinning off the line. That will help eliminate your bogging issue and improve on trap MPH. You may pick up a mph or two. Now if you were spinning at 15psi or 12 psi..that would be a different story. If you just keep raises your launch RPM you are running out of gear and hp at the top of the RPM range. And you are also going to have more chance of clutch slip before it locks up good. But thats my opinion... On a side note in regards to launching at 4500rpm...has anyone ever broke front axles on these cars?

beat me to it!!! This is exactly what i would have done it i were bogging that bad (FWD). i also agree that there are other factors that can cause bog. Let me ask you a question how much boost were you launching with? I mean you are two stepping you are putting load on the motor thus allowing you to build boost off the line. So how long did you sit there two stepping before you took off? I am thinking if you are leaving the line with enough boost then your launch should have been NIIIIICCCEEE!!! and definitly not spin. But if you are boosting with somewhere around 10-12 psi off the line and bogging then either your tire are too big, too much grip, to low of air pressure or you were letting out way to fast. Then again on the last one i dont think if you are boosting off the line it is possible...

Just work on it and as i do pay attention to what you are car is doing and what you are doing and alter it as you see fit when on each pass. good luck next time i know you will do it. also did you run with full interior? Did you weigh the car? if so what did it weigh?

you said something about suspension, i believe suspension will help with weight transfer but i wouldn't look at that as the reason for bogging..

[rigor]

i do a data log! @ the track
i bet dollar to doughnuts
your hitting higher load, and going rich causing the blow out!
my car does the same shit, ive seen it go into the 8s afr in first

[feldm4n]

Congrats man. I have read both of the threads and fuck all the people talking shit or that hidden shit talk. Like good job man BUT. People here at times are just fucken jealous tools. The dude has THE fastest MS3 around, congratulate him and don't be a fucken hater.

Think about all the potential for fail in any department with this car and this guy is putting out tons of fucken power and going for broke.

Commendable in my book and hitting 11's with practice like everyone said will be possible.

Fucken haters on these forums as of late.

Edit: I want to see some videos of this thing pulling from a 40 please...please...lol

[wankular]

Shit I didn't realize that was your first time at the track. I'll see if any of the videos I took are worth posting. The fucking camera wouldn't focus on the time but you can see the launches pretty well.

[9900rpm]

Joel, lower your tire pressures down to around 9 to 10psi. If I'm not mistaken, you're running the Hoosier. I run those as well, and they don't hook too well, especially when there's too much air in them. I was skeptical running low pressures like that, but the tires will balloon anyway once they are heated up.

Awesome mph. Keep up the good work!

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by wankular Shit I didn't realize that was your first time at the track. I'll see if any of the videos I took are worth posting. The fucking camera wouldn't focus on the time but you can see the launches pretty well.

That'd be awesome man! Much appreciated!

Originally Posted by 9900rpm Joel, lower your tire pressures down to around 9 to 10psi. If I'm not mistaken, you're running the Hoosier. I run those as well, and they don't hook too well, especially when there's too much air in them. I was skeptical running low pressures like that, but the tires will balloon anyway once they are heated up. Awesome mph. Keep up the good work!

Thanks man!

What rpm do you launch at?

[Darksun280]

Originally Posted by 9900rpm Joel, lower your tire pressures down to around 9 to 10psi. If I'm not mistaken, you're running the Hoosier. I run those as well, and they don't hook too well, especially when there's too much air in them. I was skeptical running low pressures like that, but the tires will balloon anyway once they are heated up. Awesome mph. Keep up the good work!

Yeah don't do this Joel lol.

He has traction he just needs to find a sweet spot where he can spin alittle bit to fall into the beginning of his power band with out the bog. theres multipul was he can do this which has been suggested in this thread but your suggestion is like telling him to have someone spray VHT on the ground. Dude has traction already.....

[802MS3]

you must powaaaaaaaaashift

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 you must powaaaaaaaaashift

I was. I didn't see any improvements over the times when I granny shifted though.

Well, that's kind of a lie. My first 12.5 @116 was granny shifting. second 12.5 @ 118 was power shifting

[qtrmile beast]

I tell you what to put this debate to rest put about 18 psi in your tires and do a nice smokey burn out to heat the tires up and launch it and see what you do in 2-3 passes and then do it at the suggested air pressure like 8 psi and see which one works for your set up.

This also all plays a part on if they prep the track with enough VHT or is it dry.. crazy question i know this shouldn't be your problem but i have to ask is you are sure that you are taking the traction control off before you run right? Just asking as i have made this mistake plenty of times so it can happen due to your nerves.

FYI i know that lower air pressure is BETTER than more air but the more are you let out the more traction you get. So it he is bogging then raise the pressure or raise the LC. Both to the point where you start spinning and then back it down...SWEET SPOT

Also when you launch your car is your clutch pedal all the way to the floor when you are launching? If so then this might your problem by itself. The reason is the time it take you to lift your foot to engage your clutch your rpms may have dropped drastically thus causing you to bog... a lot of beginners do this as well.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast I tell you what to put this debate to rest put about 18 psi in your tires and do a nice smokey burn out to heat the tires up and launch it and see what you do in 2-3 passes and then do it at the suggested air pressure like 8 psi and see which one works for your set up.

I'm gonna experiment a bit later this month hopefully.

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast This also all plays a part on if they prep the track with enough VHT or is it dry.. crazy question i know this shouldn't be your problem but i have to ask is you are sure that you are taking the traction control off before you run right? Just asking as i have made this mistake plenty of times so it can happen due to your nerves.

What the fuck is traction control?

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast Also when you launch your car is your clutch pedal all the way to the floor when you are launching? If so then this might your problem by itself. The reason is the time it take you to lift your foot to engage your clutch your rpms may have dropped drastically thus causing you to bog... a lot of beginners do this as well.

I don't even use my clutch. That's what people mean when they say "bang through the gears", right?











Just kidding

[OneBAMFpog]

I won't be getting slicks for a while so in street tires where should I start with psi for the track?

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by KiddMnKy I won't be getting slicks for a while so in street tires where should I start with psi for the track?

Depending on the tire, full air pressure due to your sidewall being so hard that is not really a big deal if you lower the air or not. Look at your treadwear to see how sticky the tire is. Usually the lower the treadwear the stickier or the softer the compound. But your tires will wear out faster as well even in normal driving..

[OneBAMFpog]

I'm actually about to get new tires. I'm looking at a set of Nitto NT 555's for both my cars. I'd go to a more high end of Nitto's but they start to look like slicks and not street tires above these.

[qtrmile beast]

Originally Posted by KiddMnKy I'm actually about to get new tires. I'm looking at a set of Nitto NT 555's for both my cars. I'd go to a more high end of Nitto's but they start to look like slicks and not street tires above these.

the nitto is a VERY nice choice for the money and the performance. The only down fall is their weight at least for me. You will like their performance though!!!

[OneBAMFpog]

Originally Posted by qtrmile beast the nitto is a VERY nice choice for the money and the performance. The only down fall is their weight at least for me. You will like their performance though!!!

Yeah I was looking at a different set of Nittos but then I saw I could get these for only 7 dollars more per tire so I'm going with them. They had slightly better reviews so I think it'll be worth it.

[BrianZX10R]

wilks are you going to be doing a sea level dyno before your next track days. curious to see the diff from altitude...

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by BrianGT3076 wilks are you going to be doing a sea level dyno before your next track days. curious to see the diff from altitude...

That's the plan. I'm going to be doing it on the same dyno I hit 418 on

[Dano]

Congrats on the runs either way. It takes more than money to go fast. It takes time and you'll get there.


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[BrianZX10R]

good shit man.......

Has anyone on here used any aftermarket EBCS other then the grimmspeed with there big turbos? The grimmspeed failed with big turbo kits.

[jwilkins88]

Originally Posted by BrianGT3076 Has anyone on here used any aftermarket EBCS other then the grimmspeed with there big turbos? The grimmspeed failed with big turbo kits.

I'm using the aem tru boost, and it holds boost perfectly fine. The only thing I don't like about it is that you lose boost by gear. You might be able to just get a 3 port solenoid from aem and use that with the stock controller. It might be better

[FantasmoNegro]

Cut it down to a 1.7 60ft you will be running 11s with no other changes. I have knocked off a full second from just learning how to drive, so don't get discouraged, keep at it and you will have elevens easy.