JCMS07 goes 11.49 putting a skoolin' on how it's actually done
 

Julio been chasing 11s for years .... Well he finally got himself a decent turbo to push him to 400+ so he could have the minimal mph needed to bust a mid 11 .... Which on our side of the planet is 120-121


Engine output was limited mainly to the rings not having seated and having massive amounts of oil in the chamber , but drowning the fucker in e85 and d10 meth along with Nishan's badass tuning prowess we had enough power + 300 lbs gutting to run 121mph at 3500 DA on a track that traps 2-3 mph lower on uphill back half slope alone .


Here are the 2 best runs , 11.49 @ 115 (tapping the 7200 rpm limiter in 4th) and 11.59 @ 121 powershifting into 5th


Julio just put on the most efficient ms3 run anyone here has seen .... Low ET low mph .... That's called drag racing . Props to u Julio

What a bad ass.

Thats whats up! Good work Julio! Goes to show what a great driver can do with am awesome tuner. Get this man in a 500hp car and hit 10s.

He put on a clinic at that track. Imagine him at bakersfield in oct :) Congrats again Julio, you have put in the time, and deserve these awesome timeslips!

Bako 60fts better and traps 2-3 more so he could have easily run 11.2 @ 123-124 .... But car will start being dismantled Saturday so this was plenty to show the people that truly are interested in learning how to properly make a pass .


The footwork video got a lil effed up but he's working on cropping it and matching it to the 11.595 @ 121 in car video we have so u guys can see powershifting 1-5th

Needs taller slicks.

Also, I learned to FFS from watching Julio, and I always knew the electronic nannies everyone uses to make passes was holding them back. Now we have proof.

Julio is a boss!

Him and I spent a lot of time with the car to get it to where it is at here and it was totally worth all the extra effort for such an awesome guy.

This car makes no more than 415 WHP and truly goes to show that big power isn't everything to getting these cars down the 1320'.

As Rodrigo would tell me every day, Some power + driver + tire ... The end

There is a lot to be learned from Julio's driving and approach to tackling the 1320' with an MS3.

I'm just glad I that could be a part of the effort to showing it.

I can only hope that whatever car Julio ends up in next, he will also let me tune :bow2:

Big congrats to Julio on all these runs.

However... There has been no schooling done here...

It's widely known, common sense even, that the easiest way to run a quick 1/4 is through a minimalist approach. Least amount of power necessary, weight reduction, and a decent driver. I say decent, not because I think Julio is not a "great" driver, but because we truly cannot know if someone's a great driver by watching them drive a 400whp speed 3 with slicks down the 1/4.

I'm not trying to take away from this accomplishment in the least bit, I'm just tired of the condescension in the threads and posts about how "this is how it's done". How what's done? Running a mid/low 11 in a lower power, gutted speed 3? If that's how that's done, then fine, but some of us have much much different goals, which is why we didn't build the cars this way and I'm tired of hearing that we're "Doing it all wrong". Yeah, we've way over-powered the chassis and way over-powered the ability of most drivers, so now we all have to figure out ways to catch back up to the power the cars make.

In the end though, I can pretty much guarantee you that myself, @Downmented; @psychophyr; @LumberJack; @PapaSmurf; @Captain KR; and others didn't go into these builds trying to upgrade slow and steady to eventually have a car that is easy to drive and could someday hit a 10.99 @ the lowest possible trap.

Sorry for the rant, just tired of all the "this is how it's done" talk. Congrats again on a really solid build, tune, and good driving.

You are absolutely right Mark!

What Rodrigo is really trying to point out is Julio's efficiency.

He uses Damn near 95% of the car's capabilities on the track where as many of us use not even 70%, losing it to naps between shifts, ECU nannies, human response, etc. etc.

So what he means by schooling is not that he can make a low 11 second pass with less power and make a joke of the big power guys...

Rather, he is pointing out how being efficient on the track is done, and in the end results in very low E.T.'s with very low MPH which in retrospect, shows what can really be done with an MS3 trapping 130+ MPH.

Not that we don't already know this...but it is awesome to actually see it, at least for me while trying to get Garth @trini247; into the 10's.

yes ...it is widely known yet in 6+ years of drag racing speed3/6 people on here always start from the trap and work their way backwards lmao (emphasis on backwards) .... idk nor do i give a fuck what anyones goals are ..... maybe some of the 600hp guys its to have a good roll race king and be able to blast off some mild 11 sec passes for now ..no clue

if u think there is a difference between running 12.0 @ 114 vs 11.49 @ 120 vs 10.9@126-127 then u are sadly mistaken , there is enough tire to accomplish this , the only variable is power to weight ..... gutting 300 lbs off the car is no different than making 30hp more full interior ..... this was done because as stated the motor was compromised so the output no matter the tuner would be limited by the inability for the rings to keep oil from entering the combustion chamber

now if u like pissing your hp away down the track and those are your goals knock yourself out , go twin turbos and shoot for an even 1000 ,,,fuck do i care .... but THIS is the proper way to dial in a car efficiently down the track and real drag racers do incremental changes and climb their way up as they modify the ENTIRE vehicle as a unit , not just concentrate on making ridiculous power just to say u did

like i said ...this is a drag racing thread in the drag racing section and real drag racers know the difference between a car thats dialed in and a car that simply gobbles up the back half cause they dont leave their egos at home .

but i do fully understand the need to thump your chest .... shits fun , let the timeslip talk though , it never lies


p.s..... not every asshole on here can afford 10-15k worth of race car shit , so for the guys that want to use their wallets and their cars more efficiently for DRAG RACING then here is a recipe

To each his own. You make big power, you make less, enjoy it either way.

Congrats on some great runs!

by all means Spencer .... the point is to use ALL OF WHAT YOU HAVE ..... no need for butthurt

That's a very impressive bit of driving. Squeezed every bit out of that car.

In car rpm + pedals on the 11.5 @ 121 pass .. Powershifting 1-5

Any tune I need I'll be going with you! Really appreciate all the time you spent on dialing it in. This has always been about doing the best I can with what I have and at the same time having fun.

I just drive the car, but many guys put in time to get it to where it is. Thanks to @Koke382 for letting me borrow his meth pump after mine gave out. Always thanks to @rodrigo for the advice and being a big part of getting the car running again.

Many other guys that have given advice and recommendations along the way like Justin, and others that aren't on the forum anymore.

That shifting tho

Quickest pass of the day 11.49 @ 115.94 bouncing the limiter through the traps

Beast mode. Nice 60' congratulations

Solid run...Excellent driving ...
Keep up the good work .....

I also want (those actually interested in learning what does what ) to analyze the 2 timeslips .... 11.49 @ 115.xx (4th bouncing the limiter ) vs 11.59 @ 121.xx (powershifting into 5th)

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If u look at both slips u will see that they have identical 60'
(This ain't the NHRA winternationals so let's round shit off to 100ths and not worry about 1000ths) .... U will notice the 11.59 pass actually hooked better but between the 60-330' lost .05 and again between the 330-660' lost another .050 which accounts for the ENTIRE ET deficit between the 11.49 and 11.59 ..... This to show that a properly executed powershift into 5th will never cost you more than 1/10 max over riding out say 4th on the top end . The difference in 660-1320 ET was .012 (that's 1.2 hundredths of a second ) in favor of the 4th gear pass .... Had the limiter not been bounced it wouldn't have yielded anything more than half a tenth (.05) at best .


***** disclaimer ... Julio missed 5th quite a few times so we thought a change in game plan was needed ... Choice a ) ride out 4th .... B) speed shift into 5th w/o powershifting it . Choice c) woulda been to download the map Nishan readily emailed us with a 7500 rpm limiter but we said fuck it lmao


Anyways , by all means try to do 1-4 in drag racing but IMO I have never seen what the huge deal was about 1 more gear in non professional drag racing where we aren't fighting for thousandths of a second lol

Freaking insane!! Congrats

Not to say JCMS isn't a solid driver, because he clearly is, but Driver311 ran a very similar time (first in the 11's as I'm sure you remember lenny) a couple years ago with a very similar setup (but a 3071r), and stock clutch I think. This just reaffirms that you don't need exotic shit to run good times, just bolt on some stuff and get some practice in. And trust your axles.

Fully gutted interior with slick/skinny setup seems pretty exotic to me and mid 11's @ lowest possible trap just doesn't excite me, nor will it excite me when I go out there with hundreds more hp and probably do the same thing. The difference is, I'll have the potential to dial in the setup, learn to drive it well, and run much faster times... This type of minimalist build will only ever run mid-low 11's at low mph, which is not what most people have in mind for their end-goal.

For sure, I definitely don't mean to undermine anyone's efforts or goals. I was really just saying this is basically a similar repeat of Driver's run from, now that I went back and looked, 3 years ago.

Let me see that ras clot time slip....

You other bums see that mans 330 time? Finally someone is starting to drive their machine! the man don't even have no crazy power.


P.S interior was looking light and fluffy. Low calorie yet Delicious.

anthony (driver311) had the quickest 660ft for YEARS!!!! YEARS!!!!! ....anthony had low 400s and if memory serves me right anthony doesnt even powershift he simply is lightning fast speed shifter...... we carried more power to weight than anthony and this set up + the years of advancement in tuning and turbo size let us carry a higher trap by a couple mph ..... but every best pass eventually gets beaten by a more efficient one .... if u look at the 60-330-660 ft times the power was the same , the 60ft was the same but we took .150 off his time from the 60-660 .... and we took another .100 off on the back half (from power alone on the latter) ...... IMO anthony was always the best driver out there and go the most out of his power , until this run. this aint ego , this is reality ..the timeslips and mph never lie .... had anthony stuck with it maybe he coulda cracked 10s with 127 mph which is what i hope julio can do if he decides not to part the fucker out

this isnt a pissing match .... this is simply called efficiently putting power down ...and one would think that is important to EVERYONE .....so u can run 11.s at 400 and 10s at 500 etc ....(last i heard anthony was driving someones speed6 ???) where that niggah at , i used to talk to him all the time , i even got his surgeline dyno tune maps on my car since we had the same set up lmao

This is what it's all about. Here's a guy that took an average set up and did more than average things with it. He didn't have 700whp. He didn't have anything crazy. No drama, no shit talking, no bullshit. Just a guy with a car and a few people behind him lending a hand.

gutting 300 lbs off a car is ridiculous for a daily driver .... this wasnt our intent .... i helped julio build his motor since he got fucked by a machine shop.... i measured out everything for him and assembled it all ...the motor only needed a flex hone , bearings, gaskets and RINGS .... the motor only had 15k miles on it but previous head the guides werent checked and they coated everything .... when i pulled the motor apart on one of the cylinders the top and bottom compression rings had the gap on top of each other ...machine shop was obviously not giving a fuck that day..... we used Bryce's head from his oem longblock .... they were .002-.0035 warped so we cut them straight ...i lapped his valves just to make sure no issues ....and everything was on point.... unfortunately ring break in wasnt done aggressively enough and once the fuckers dont seal it gets worse and worse and the motor eats oil like a motherfucker.... once we did the compression and it was 170 across and leakdown was 25% + then it was a wrap .... Julio has had this car for 7 years and i dont have enough time to tell u how much bs we have gone through since 07 in both of our cars so he was throwing in the towel...... but with Nishan tuning and us borrowing a meth pump (that took a shit mid tuning) and a lil pushing from yours truly we said fuck it lets see how hard the motor can be pushed and control detonation and lets see if we can make a pass b4 it bows up lol

the end result was 415whp (according to Nishan) and while that was enough to run 11s ....i told julio u know what ..fuck this shit lets make a dent in the timeslip ...so we gutted it 300 lbs to get the extra 3mph ...... initially he wanted to run full weight and i told him lets go for 425whp..... but once we knew the motor was on borrowed time we did what we did to make it run ONE day .

trap speed and vehicle configuration (fwd,rwd,awd) will determine the ET that is physically possible .... everyone has different goals man... but.... why is anyone thinking about much , much larger goals say like 9s when no one has run a 10.9 .... and if i can convince julio to keep that car and we re do it to hold say 475whp with a d14 and no oil in the chamber then i can hopefully show that 10.9 is possible with simply 126-127mph ....

like i said this isnt a pissing match .... but in drag racing the efficient cars are always the quickest ones..... no one said julios car is better or worse.... this is simply a demonstration of efficiency down the strip .... and lets be honest here..for every 600+ hp ms3/6 u produce i can produce fifteeen 400s ones .... so this is just trying to be helpful to those that want to simply learn and accept that the ms3 isnt why the timeslips have been slow ...its us the drivers thats all :)

edit** his own pump took a shit mid tuning .... we borrowed one for a week from koke382 to help drown the chamber in alcohol and fight detonation.

U scared me for a minute LOL

Amen buddy. Last post Driver had was for selling his trans, after his exgf/babymom left and wanted monies. I hope he makes a surprise come back like he did for round 2 on the red speed3. Dude should always be known as one of the best.

I have to thank you as well @Koke382;

That was very kind of you and I appreciate the help you provided for Julio and I greatly.

First I just want to reiterate, I have no beef with you or anyone else and I absolutely commend everyone involved in putting this car together to runs these times...

Here are the only issues I have with things that have been stated here.

1. "It takes great driving skill to do this" IMO, the reason we haven't seen more of these types of runs is because there are so so so few people rocking a low-mid 400 setup who have gone all-in on drag racing and spent their money on a full slick/skinny setup + weight reduction. If more builds like this were out there, I really think we'd see a lot of people match these types of times.

2. "The big HP guys only care about hp" I can speak for most of the guys and say we've addressed every aspect of the car from engine to suspension to drivetrain, wheels and tires, etc.... it just takes a LOT more from those parts to support 6,7,800whp than it does to support 400.

3. "It's all ego at the track for the big hp guys" I'll just speak for myself here and say this couldn't be farther from the truth and anyone who knows me at all will tell you that.

I haven't done shit at the track, so you'll never see me talking shit about how fast my car is and "I'll run 9's first time out" or any bullshit like that. That's not what I'm here trying to do. I love seeing anyone putting work into this platform, love it. I'm just trying to calm everyone down a little on the whole "Big power guys are just doing it wrong, none of them can drive, etc etc." It takes a lot more from the driver, the tune (ie boost by gear dial in), and the hard parts on the car to support 6,7,800whp on the strip than it does 400. That's all I'm trying to get across.

No worries bae

Thats what friends are for. I got chu guys

1. at no time will u ever see me tell u or anyone that julio is something mythical .... he isnt .... he simply hits the marks that i suggest to him , anyone can do what he does as long as they put in the WORK....and by work i mean dozens and dozens of passes ..... let me give you two examples.... julio and i met in june of 07 at the track .... that day we each got around 40 passes , i give u my word on that ... it was ridiculous no one was there and we just kept going back like a couple of retards..... we started low 15s and ended low 14s end of day ..... since then i would guess he has another 200 passes since ? and no street racing (hes weird that way lol) ...i have maybe 300 + and 3x that on the street (cause i am retarded that way ....track is homework for me , stoplights are where i live )..... i have now a 5.0 and i am trying to run 11s on street tires and ive worked my way down to a 1.81 60ft and hopefully in sept 27 i will crack my first 1.7 and 11.xx on street tires ....but since march i have 80 timeslips i can show u ..... im nothing special...im fat and slow ...but i have experience and i put in my work ...... thats the point .....u will never hear me say what julio does is anything that u and i cant do ...all u have to do is simply put in the same volume of practice...but it is skill , high level ? not really...but it is a skill that needs learning especially across this forum

2. i agree , takes a twin disc, takes a larger tire (like bryce so cleverly chose) , takes more suspension than the rubber blocks we have in the back of julios car lol .....but that is the price u pay for going from 300 to 700 ..... the learning curve is increased and u will take 3x the time to learn what it takes to go quick now vs what u would have needed to know if it was done gradually ..... this is strictly a drag racing thread....and its quicker and simpler to go 330hp...430hp....530hp....630hp ....incrementally to learn what is the threshold of each setting than trying to jump the gap from 300 to 700 in one shot .....

3. the track these days is full of "check out my trap" (u right i never seen u or seen a timeslip)....maybe im too old skool ...but u know what my first reaction is ? man fuck your trap all i see is a slow ass ET for all that power u make lol .....



the cars u big hp guys are building are amazing, they are putting down as much as 200whp per cylinder.... thats race car shit ....that is from an engine building point of view amazing ..... but let me ask u a simple question .... if i take bobby thats 16 and has never ridden anything but a bicycle ..... and now wants to buy himself a bike to impress suzie so he can fuck the shit out of her after school ..... am i gonna say .... hey bobby , here let me give u some fucken lessons on my 'busa .....or....maybe i let him take a whack at the 250cc bike first ?


this is a thread for drag racing.... this isnt a thread for "how to properly build your car to fuck up niggahs on the fwy" ...... and in drag racing, a progression in hp, driveline, suspension and ultimately traction is the correct way to run quick and even though u will never get the glory of having the biggest dyno sheet out there u will increase the odds of being the quickest mofo with what YOU got


i wanna see u guys run 10s, 9s ....but look how quickly people get discouraged when they run like shit .... i see it when a guy comes in to our track and has 400+ and runs 13s....he ends up never coming back ....because he didnt start from A , then B , then C ..... he decided it was ok to start on M ....and reality taught him otherwise and now u wont see him at the strip every again


u have no idea how much i love drag racing....its the only hobby i have ever given a fuck about .... i simply want to see u guys succeed ....and too many go balls out without understanding that at the drag strip less is sometimes more, especially when the car is overpowered for the driveline,suspension and tire that are available to such a limited market such as the speed .

p.s. but yes i 100% laugh at high traps and high ETs ... the same way that u will laugh at me if we ever roll race and i end up a spec of dust in your mirrors ..... shit talking = motivation .... u know this lol <3

Btw here is an update from later that day

1. #3 spark plug broke off a piece lol

2. Shifter linkage keeps popping off

3. Eats oil daily

4. Cobb shifter


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Good driving, Julio! Sucks you won't have the car running when the cool weather rolls in.

David u put on a good size turbo and e85 +
Meth tune and u won't need good weather either ... The 11.49 was at 3500 DA on super shitty track .... U need to get 450-500 hp and u know it's gonna be battle of the efficient runs . You still got the 60ft king title lol


Where's that sponsorship letter man ??!!!!

How much the car weight`s ? what tyre are Julio running ? I like the way you stripped the car it makes me think dirty for my car ....

Car weighs around 2850+
Driver 150

So let's call it 3k lbs race weight


Tire is m&h 26 x 8.5 15



You IMO have already the power to run 10.9 if u tighten up your 60ft to 1.65-1.70 range and u bring down the 660 to 7.0-7.1 range u can run a 10.9 as is .... This is just math man , the 10.9 has to come from everywhere ....if u look at your slips u take 3.86-3.88 seconds to cover the back half (660-1320)

That means u need a 7.0 to 7.1 by the 8th .... U are nowhere near that , your best 660 was 7.55 so u have some serious work ahead of you if u stay with same power level and 127 traps ..... IMO if u just after the 10.9 gut it fully and work on your 60-330-660 .... The back half is stationary for u at 3.86-3.88 seconds so without more power or better power to weight ratio it will not change , and I'm not tuner but 127 mph out of a 3071 is pretty Fucken good .... Also your 660 mph is 99 so u are efficiently covering the back half both mph match well


Gut it , work on 60 - 330 - 660 and see where u get , u on 26 x8.5 too ya ?

also .... here is something for u guys to chew on bryce covers the back half (at this very track where julio and i run) in 3.70 seconds at 135 mph traps vs RE-ACTION (sorry idk your name) 3.86-3.88 at 127mph traps vs julio 4.04 @ 121 traps ...so while mph will certainly take off some time off your ET it is simply more efficient to work on the front half of the timeslip .... that is something for u guys to think about when u try to squeeze every ounce out of YOUR set up ..... nothing wrong with high traps, its gravy to take off a couple of tenths.... but there is more to be gained at the 60-330-660 ....the back half is always steady ET (unless u deal with very high hp cars that will still need to back pedal beyond the 8th) .....


drag racing is simply a bunch of sectors put together into one efficient run ....no diff than f1 ...no diff than building a car

I know i have to make better 1/8 . My car will run with the same power(i think is enough) , i will try to reduce weight , put skinies on the back and drag wheels on front.At my 11.41 i use the MH 26/8.5/15 but i will use the MH 27/9/15 ...

Have in mind that in my country the dragslips are really owfull the glue is at first 262-328ft
The next event here is in a motnh i will do my best ....

11s BA
 

That's kool a 11 second runs out of an ms3 my friend got a build already pushing 500whp on a dynojet but not done yet, trying to get him out on the track to see what he can run...

who is your friend ? an ms3 ??? cause i can count every speed at the track i have seen since 2007 in one hand lol (beyond one day and then disappear)

Very solid driving skills for sure...what turbo?

I would be lucky to get 12.9 with 470whp...lol

gtx3076 atp ewg ....but rings didnt seal so eating stupid oil as much as 1qt per 300+ miles by now lol ...so tuning was done with that handicap in mind...

in b4 julio gets a 2013 5.0 ....

Inb4 awd

Jk both of u guys in mustangs would be a good way to push each other even more.


Terminator??? Hmmmnnnn

inb4 Julio runs 11's in it before you do.

Not on street tires .... Not happening


We went to look at one today '14 track pack 4500 miles , some mild suspension mods and wheels n tires 26,500 .... He's considering all options ... 25k we can probAblt get it

I see hes lookin into a terminator...... (:

He's not a msf guy and he's never taken it to the track he just runs it on the streets here n there when a evo or sty shows up at the race meets but we'll probably get the car out on the track soon as he finishes a few more things like new clutch, fuel problems, and some more suspension work to get rid of his wheel spin.

Hope he has slicks

LoL he's slow

I considered changing the meme after I made it, but then said, fuck it. :approve:

never change making fun of someone ...lolz > all else