MS3 stock turbo 11.6?
 

not meaning to troll or anything but i found this rather odd since this MS3 guy claimed to run 11.6 on stock turbo with E85 on my thread over at club RSX

New 8thgen Civic Si record! [12.4 @109MPH] Stock Block K20Z3 - Club RSX Message Board

lol troll

faggot.

your buddys car is weak and uber gay with his mugen faggot badge.

yeah it's true tho.

stock turbo ms3 in the 11's.... beat that... I think not

lol honda hater, get walked by boosted civics and all motor k20's.

k20's ftw lolumad.

I think the fastest k04 time is held by driver311 on an e85 mix @ 12.5.

While I don't think it's happened on the stock turbo. I'm will to bet someone will run 11's this coming 2012 on the stock turbo...

pretty brave behind that computer screen... so driver 311 12.5 on stock turbo? thats still pretty damn impressive. i was sure you needed a upgraded turbo for 11's

Here is username Driver311's sig:

12.5 @109 on k04
12.0 @113 on atp gt3071r SOLD
12.0 116 on atp gt3076r SOLD
11.7 @120 on atp gtx3071r


BTW...Speedsixx is cool, just has a quick switch.

Used to be that you did but with e85 I'm pretty sure its possible. We will see when one of the 100% e85 guys gets to the track with the proper wheel/tire setup.

Now lets see what @phate would run :D

So how much did that build cost? 12-15k? Pretty much what a used Ocho goes for? Nice, big wallets go fast. Who woulda thought?

Would rather slap a k20z in an ef/eg/ek hatch.... at least then it would handle like a boss too.

I think it's absolutely feasible with the right tire and a good driver. 11's are within reach on the stock turbo.

II was just talkin out my rectum ... maybe not 11's but mid 12's on stock yes...

as for jonspeed3, he is a troll and always up my ass... thanx for the good words finkle.

all my mods do not add up anywere near 12 to 15 k

2600lb car with no AC and still only does 12.4@109... meh.

yes sir. its also on the stock block with 80 thousand miles knock on wood.

That's not bad considering it is N/A....................Also suprised at the 2580lbs weight too that thing must not have had shit in it. BUT platform vs. platform I guarantee we can spend less money and go faster. & @ms3ftw (facepalm; come on guy you can troll better than that.)

"quick switch" is the understatement of the day lol

speedsixx knows I love his switch ;)

BTW can anyone tell me how many times @SpeedSixxx has been banned due to his quick switch....Forge BPV is the prize...









j/k theres no prize.

it is gutted, but not how u might think, alot of parts were replaced with lighter ones and so on, it is my daily driver. im not doubting the fact that the MS3 can be faster with less money either, but turbo cars typically have that advantage on any platform they come stock with.

Its just something different for me to try going NA only, ive owned nothing but turbo cars before.

My 100% E85 K04 + Driver311 at the wheel = stock turbo MS3 in the 11's in the summer.

I'm gonna make it happen.

Someone better hit stock K04 11's. If you fucks don't by this summer I'm gonna come outta the wood work with a stripped MS3 on slicks and corn.

Don't worry, the NATOR IL crew are all becoming track monkeys and might even lay down some solid times!

If not you Illinoisians I will be proud to get a shot when I get there.

who is ms3ftw?

shit I ran 9s on my stock turbo without a tune!!!

LOL

An 11.60 on a stock turbo will never happen unless u put the engine on a go cart.

No I ran 12.5@109 with simple bolt ons and ots map. Super rich, low boost, stock exhaust mani, stock intake mani, and NO e85. Plus at 2700ft track. At sealevel with fully bolted car on straight e85 I dont doubt 117 traps are possible.

Bullshit its fully possible at sealevel.

YOu better believe it. I have no fucking doubt in my mind itll do it with ease. People underestimate stock turbo setups. Trq gets it done

Ps. Big props to the civic driver. Na, and with 75-100whp less than most of you guys and making us look bad. But in another breath Ill say hiis 60ft is ok and it was ran at a very very fast track. Just wait till I get there and you guys see what my setup runs there.

Have fun with your dream it will never happen sea level or anywhere else. That's why they make bigger turbos.

you dd that thing? shit looks fugly.

but regardless impressive .<3 me some k20

Whats your basis for that kmac? YOu truely dont think I or anyone else can do it? Your crazy to doubt it cause its very possible. I mean look at what this 240whp na civic just ran. Imagine with another 120whp and 300ftlbs. LOL Even if the car is 500lbs heavier it doenst matter. The torque makes the weight not an issue. Just wait for what next year has to offer. Low 12s high 11s stock turbo will be common. And if I have to put stock turbo back on my car to go 11s, well then so be it. LOL Itll be as simple as bolting it up, filling the tank with 50% e85 and quick tune.

I call truce! LOL.

Maybe high 11's?, you know a comprimise?

I love put-up or shut-up moments, and this is definitely one of them.

Next year sounds to be a great year for MSF! if you guys can prove to us non believers that it is possible, then more props to you guys.

I predict a fully bolted stock turbo genpu from Alaska will hit 12.5 next year. Any body wanna ship me up some e85 so I can attempt to run low 12's high 11's?

gives me hope. since my turbo is new, if i add E85, a proper tire setup, meth, manifods, gut the car and since im at 300 sea level....11s r achievable!! wooo

Get those 12s first. Its not as easy as I make it sound. It would take the right setup with a good driver! These cars are tricky with the short gearing and big torque.

Bring it then @driver311 high 11 possible mid 11 or lower no way.

Driver may be right. The stars would have to align but an e85 gutted Ms3 on slicks can do 11.8-12.0 The formula is there seen other cars doing it when their power to weight is right. going to need 1.6 60fts though believe that.

Still don't see it . The car is fwd , It's heavy and It's biggest problem is the k04 with what looks like a 30 ar . I just don't see a mid 11 in It's future . A low 12 , a 12.0 , even 11.9 maybe but no 11.6 or 11.5.

Since the DI turbo cobalts are your best comparison fastest sock turbo time for the cobalt guys is 11.952@117.62

Fastest built motor big turbo owned by a normal person is 10.9 @ 133 with a pte5857


There's your benchmark guys go get em.

I didn't think their interior plastics could handle those kind of times


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im sure with the right BOV, the ms3 can do 11.6 or11.5

Kmac and I will remember your statement and hold it to you.

I'm sure 11s on stock turbo is possible. Next summer seems pretty soon though

im just waiting for phate's e85 tune to hit the track.

Fastest stock turbo times was 2.5 years ago before really any e85 options were avaliable for the cobalt. As of now the only hpfp upgrade available to us is through zzp and I believe you have to buy the cam upgrade to even get it. I do know that a fellow trifecta dealer in florida who has just intake, catless downpipe and tune went 12.5's on drag radials with a e85 tune. So as with the ms3's I believe you will see more Slobalts in the 11's with stock turbo soon.

I won't be stock turbo next year so I can't exactly do 11's on it. On a 24psi aggressive 93 pump gas tune I ran 12.6 @ 116 with CIA catted down pipe, K&N Sri , and the tune. This was on nitto nt-05 street tires shaved a little (they are my autox tires I run). It sucks there isn't a e85 station within 1 hour from my home town so I went back to pump gas. But I will tell you this on e85 my car moved son lol sigh the woes of living in redneckville Mississippi.

Also another reason you don't see many cobalts in the lower numbers is honestly tire selection. Because we have the factory brembos unless you switch them out with the older 05-07 LSJ Cobalt SS brake calipers you can't run anything smaller than a 17 and then your options are severely limited because of our 5x110 bolt pattern unless you do the 5x114 hub conversion. So unless more people want to give up there brembos I doubt you will see to many fast track times from cobalts over what I have talked about. I myself will probably keep my brembos because I autox my car a lot.

i wouldn't say this is a fast track like MIR for instance, but it is a sea level track. the car could have went 12.3 but we were getting some head wind and i was not trying to break my car being 350 miles away from home

I agree with ya. 1.65-1.75 60ft. With a nice bolt on setup, a kick ass e85 tune, the right set of slicks and a few lbs of weight takin out and itll happen there is NO doubt. It just math. I still dont think 11.6 is out of the question but 11.8-11.9 is probably where we will see the first one. I definately wouldnt mind being the one to pilot it. LOL You never know.

if anyone wants to set up my car I'll let you pilot it!....no?

turboxs rfl???

your wrong,

stock turbo record is 11.6

*you're

you are not a reputable source of information. Post links for reference.

i owned a cobalt tc before this and there easy for a good driver to get into mid 12's and a great driver like the one at zzp into mid 11's.

@Darksun280

ZZPerformance - Go Fast... Not Broke

Fastest stock turbo LNF - 11.62@119mph
Fastest LNF- 10.99@ 133.6mph(27psi), 612 whp sae (34psi)

and for shits and giggles look what the lsj did
2.0 liter LSJ accomplishments- 9.82@ 141.6mph (30psi), 898whp (54psi)

I believe Darkie was talking about fastest stock turbo not a shop car which was cmiller at the time he posted. Or that is what I thought he was getting at since he said as much in his big turbo comparison which is why I did not correct him.

the 11.6 was stock turbo tho. they ran 10.9 i believe upgraded turbo

I was just going by the fastest one I could find a pic of a slip or some proof. cobaltss.net had the fastest with a slip listed as the 11.9 stock turbo.

yea i think that was cmiller. the lnf motor is badass. but i had it and the interior is wack and cheap as fuck. but i can say my speed3 is getting close to my balt speed wise.

so what is the cobalts T/C doing for fueling? (the DI models) to run 800 horse.

Y on earth would i put a cobalt as a benchmark...

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Because performance wise they shit on us.

Not true. ON a track the cars are very comparable and with both setup similar suspension wise they are gonna be very close. Ive driven both setup similar and they are close and the cobalt driver agreed. Bolt on for bolt on they are close and fully bolted with aggressive e85 tune they arent that far off either. And the cobalt has a bigger/better turbo. I mean 360-380whp is about average max setup on the cobalt. The ms3 has proven to do 350whp and I dont think its to far fetched to say 360-370whp is doable on a nice setup. I think we have several on this board over 350whp with big torque. Then you put a bnr stg1 on our car which is gonna be very similar to the cobalts turbo and 380whp isnt out of the question. So no they dont shit on us, we just dont have enough guys on this site that are doing cool shit on stock turbo. Its small I know and its just so much easier to put a bigger turbo on and get your power that way. But you take a 350-375whp k04 powered speed and put it up against a 375-400whp 3071/3076 speed and you get a major ass whoopin put on the big turbo one. Why you ask.... (BIG BAB BOY TORQUE). Dont sell the ms3 short. It can hang and I think 2012 is the year for a few fellow members to prove the point that the speed3 isnt living in the shadow of the cobalts and srts any more. Several including myself have already passed plateaus that we thought couldnt be achieved. Next year we will see even more cool shit, including stock turbos hitting low 12s high 11s, and possibly the first 10 second speed3 and maybe even on stock motor. Mark my words with a slew of guys like, me, Dustin, Phate, Anthony, Kmac, Erich and many others doing cool shit, its gonna happen I already have a stock turbo speed as a donor car to beat my stock turbo record, and hopefully beat Phate or that fast genpoo cat to 11s. LOL Thanks Zlatan.


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im not knockin the ms3 nor the cobalt, its just a fact that they make power easier then us, obviously because of the slightly bigger turbo and that they don't have the fueling problem we do.

would i own one? probably not because of the inconvenience of the coupe and horrid interior, but i do admire and respect them for what they are and what they are capable of, same thing with the ms3.

Plus id love to see all those people you mentioned do great things on this platform with our without stock turbos.

:bigok:

lol cobalt rant

I really dont think a high 11 is impossible with a good driver on a good track. 2012!!!

You did say that they shit on us performance wise, which stock for stock its drivers race. however they do seem to respond to bolt ons better. I think their main advantage besides the turbo is the gearing. But i do not agree with them "shitting" on us at all.

ok so what are the cobalts (DI) doing for fueling? they got bigger di injectors?

The 800+ hp cobalt is a lsj cobalt so it is not DI.

Matt's 600+ hp cobalt uses a better cam driven hpfp that zzp has developed to coinside with their cam upgrade.

The 500+ whp cobalts are like the ms3's and use the stock system tweaked in the ecu.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

i looked up the cobalts forum, and found that the LNF stock turbo cars are the DI cars and they hit 10.99 in the quarter. so to say they are still really rocking in the 11s is a good guess, same as us.

DI is still so new and aftermarket kinda stays away from. we just gotta change that.
i think thats the only thing really holding the platform back, but feel its going to change soon.

and has anyone looked into better cams for the MS3, i mean on the HPFP side?

is it possible with a different lobe at the pump we could gain from it??

Interested to see 11s from the ko4, sucks the speed6 has the drivetrain loss.

i wanna see how your pu looks with a single exit exhaust

@2011speed

you looking at doing a single exhaust or something.

I did 12.737@108.51mph with Hossier DR

Mod are: Cobb AP , Cobb sri and tune

Im just curious how it looks on the pusince it has the two bumper holes

I'll post a pic sometime after I get it redone. Shit is to loud I'm adding a resonator and maybe aero muffler

I don't think the tiny K04 can trap in the 117-118 mph range even on E85.

with NNNAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWZZZZZZZZZZ?????

I'm gonna hit 11's on the stock K04. I went 13.82 the first week I had my car bone stock with 200 miles on it. Right now I'm working toward a very aggressive tune with @rfinkle2 trying to see what we can do. I think the stock K04 can handle 24-25psi safely if done correctly tapering low to redline. I have the driver mod to do it. Just need to hit my setup right and get the tune going well.

The problem with the K04 is that it is comfortable running high boost too early in the rev band.

After a shift, you are hitting a point on the compressor map that is really only good for 20 psi (very optimistically).

I think it doesn't hurt to try (to hit 11's), but if you eventually want to run > 21-22 psi on the k04, we need to think about upgrading to a 3 bar map sensor and run heavy concentrations of meth or e85.

@ this time, I think it will be very hard to hit 11's on the k04 without a 100 shot.

/in b4 fast and furious references.

Hmmm now who did I see running nos and ko4....

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Bucker.

Yeah I was trying to just imply that, figured everyone would know. Guess it didn't work haha

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On the internet, sarcasm is wasted on me. LOL. Leave it to me to jack up a joke. ^

@Payne Racing 67... Don't let my post discourage you. If 11's is your goal, I have no problems getting you as close as possible (assuming we keep you car's reliability in mind).

It will take one hell of a wheel/slick setup to run that fast, along with a silly power band on the K04.

Don't sweat it finkle, my attempts at being witty are always fail. I'm simple minded lol

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I agree, I just hate to squash enthusiasm.

I think to date, the fastest anyone has gone on the K04 is 12.5 (Driver311), but iirc. that was on the stock tune.

Not at all, only makes me want to push harder.

I thought I read somewhere that they are able to increase fuel pressure up closer to 2500-3000psi with tuning and are able to get some more fuel out of the stock injectors that way.

For us, that seems like it is going to be tough for Cobb to get us set up for higher pressure.

I know a repost but I had to do it ha ha


But seriously this will be awesome if this can be done I wish we could do it.in the speed6 but the combo of our drivetraib loss and dry weight makes that difficult to see happening in the foreseeable future.

I'm shootin for a 12.3/12.4 @ 109-110 on my k04 this spring. Easier said than done though

@silvapain @phate

Just stay tuned to the 1/4 times in a month or so.... Guarantee a Midwest k04 will see 11s

Im going all in this year. I think it is too possible with the right setup and some E85. Also given the track you run on is in decent shape. Lets get this shit done this year!

Do 1/4 mile strips go down hill?

If you can do 0-60 in 4 seconds Im sure you can do a 11 sec 1/4 mile.

:phillyb:

I think its possible. Lots of weight shaving in every possible spot, driver mod, and I think the power might be there now. Can't wait to see how people do this year... I'm aiming for 12s first lol

0-60 w/ some slicks I would see possible I am going to see how hard it will be to take out the back seat, If its a pain in the ass to do like more than 4hrs of work then i probabaly won't.

I can't imagine 4 hrs lol

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lol, only in central and south america

I plan to do the standard track prep....

Spare tire and jack buh bye...back seat buh by....

The k04 goes back on this weekend and if all goes as planned i will be running 23-24 psi with and ewg to make sure I hold it....

The one thing i know is going to kill my 60s even with slicks will be stock suspension allowing to much transfer on launches....