MS3 vs Civic Si

[D08SPEED3]

I go out to the street races out here ever saturday night and I've smashed on 7 new Si!!! There no competitions 4 me. Stock to fully bolted! And all 7 of these dude are close buds of mines and know 4 a fact our cars rape Si!!! Man ima show my Si buddys this thread...haha!

[demonseed]

Originally Posted by zx2man I hate pissing matches..its not my style...Before my speed..I had a 2007 si sedan..I liked it..was awesome car...and with bolts these cars can put up decent numbers..What I cant stand is the lack of mutual respect and understanding of both cars, and you just get people who judge the car off a driver who couldnt drive that car...anyways blah blah..I challenged him to a race..I offered to pay for some of his gas money and 50% hotel expenses if he can make it within a few hundred miles of where I live. We will drag race..not roll..and film it...Its really not a big deal..but he said he has no respect for the ms3..and well lets just put money where our mouths are and race a honest race and then will see the results..btw I can drive my car lol.

Hahaha you are my hero, that guys self esteem must be pretty low if he has to bad mouth other cars he beat to feel good about himself, AND announce it to a forum hoping for props and only getting "must have been a bad ms3 driver" EPIC FAIL

[predapio]

I didn't even know the sewing machine had a fan club.

[HLR Element]

"really bro? define "price range"... SI is about 22k base without navi, does 0-60 in about 6.7 seconds and 1/4 in 14.9-15.3sec or so...

i got my SI for 19k OTD (minus another 8k for my trade) after tax/title/reg/dest...

the MS3 is 24k base, runs a 0-60 in 5.6 sec and 14.1sec 1/4 mile (give or take)... that's 2 grand more at least...

vw gti? 24k+ easy, and is basically = to the SI in 0-60 and 1/4 times

WRX? sure it's fast as hell, and it's also 24k+ minimum...

so again, define "price range" to me, anything that is $2000 increase from a 22k base of the SI is a little more than a 9% increase in overall price, that's a lot... and that's before taxes set in, probably about 10% once taxes are all said and done...

also, in my area at least (again, can't speak for everybody) i got my SI down to 19k OTD... the lowest i could get the mazda was 21k, wrx was 23k (but the dealer is a jerk) and the GTI was no less than 25k+ (they love to put on dealer installed price inflating options on all their gtis...)

so anyways... it all depends on your "price range"... dropping that 2k into an SI for I/H/E/FP and a tune (under 2200 total for my setup of good parts and a tune) puts the SI right in range with the MS3, better than the GTI (wrx still stomps, but is expensive, and sh*t interior)...

yes i rambled, but again... saying the SI is slower than anything in it's pricerange isn't correct unless you consider +/- 10% cost (2k+) the same "price range" but then i can say why not spend another 2k+ and get a used STI"

... he thinks we aren't in the price range?... haha, i'm having so much fun reading the Si forums, i don't think a bolted NA car will come near us stock still... it needs to make up 60hp and magically create torque, that's kinda hard

[zx2man]

Still no word from him regarding a drag race. I offered to pay alot of his finances, He just needs to bring his bolted si. Im running 291 whp on conservative mustang dyno tuned by Tim Bailey-A premier Cobb Tuner...if he beat me that would give him huge bragging rights!..But yet no answer so far..why am I not surprised.

[chrisB]

I don't get why everyone says "take that 2k you saved and upgrade" it's not like you're paying cash and there's 2k left over. The bank isn't gonna give you and extra 2k over what the dealer is asking either.

[rguevara]

Originally Posted by ARES26 Holy fuck...........Fuck a civic SI..............fully bolted can barely keep up with a stock MS3. The fact is its a forced induction engine vs a naturally aspirated engine. You'd have to be a fucking moron not to realize the concept behind the reasoning of why car A is quicker then car B. Like i have said before, I fucking eat up every single Gen 8 that comes in contact with me, like a fly eating shit.

THe Honda SI was tuned, that makes a huge difference... You might eat up up every single Gen 8 SI you've come accross, but, a stock MS3 vs. a bolted tuned SI is a very close race. NO suprise if the MS3 lost....THe SI is lighter and is easier to launch... If the race is from a 40 roll the outcome goes to the MS3...

Originally Posted by zx2man Still no word from him regarding a drag race. I offered to pay alot of his finances, He just needs to bring his bolted si. Im running 291 whp on conservative mustang dyno tuned by Tim Bailey-A premier Cobb Tuner...if he beat me that would give him huge bragging rights!..But yet no answer so far..why am I not surprised.

You'd tear him up.. From a dig he will take off and you'll be passing by the time you hit third..By fourth the SI will be fading quickly... SI fully bolted and tuned is getting 200ft of torque.. Common now, they might be quiicker off the line, but they don't have the torque or top end speed to keep up.

[TenaciousBoost]

We need to bring back the "douche of the month" thread just for this badams faggot..

[badams118]

Yeah, because I sure care that you don't like me.

[hyun]

Originally Posted by zx2man Still no word from him regarding a drag race. I offered to pay alot of his finances, He just needs to bring his bolted si. Im running 291 whp on conservative mustang dyno tuned by Tim Bailey-A premier Cobb Tuner...if he beat me that would give him huge bragging rights!..But yet no answer so far..why am I not surprised.

Might have scared him away with your video

[Tweaek]

Originally Posted by badams118 Yeah, because I sure care that you don't like me.

Dude, you're a tool... Get the fuck outa here if you're goal is to piss people off. Enjoy your car for what it is and what it's capable of. Let others enjoy theirs.

[16-driver]

LOL!

Exactly what happens when you talk too much... trash! That vit guy was offered a challenge, and all he could come up with was...

"I'm 16 going on 17. My mommy bought my car and my daddy paid for all my mods. And now I've got all these MSP3 drivers all riled up with my childish antics threatening to kick my booty all over the race track." Irony at the fullest about the childish part. Lame!

This is a classic of what I call "internet trash talking". You are brave behind the screen, but when reality presents itself, well... reality sets in.

With all due respect for the Si or any civic owners, but the word(s) "honda civic" is synonymous for "ricers". I say that with all due respect because some are actually respectable. And what I mean by some is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the total that I've seen. There's a red one in my town that feels like he want to speed up when he see's me even during heavy traffic.

And to the OP, if you didn't care, why did you post here at all? What kind of response did you expect from a mazda forum? Did you give this some kind of thought before posting?

[N118GT]

Uncommons are green
Rares are blue
Purples are epic
Your failure is too

[demonseed]

Originally Posted by N118GT Uncommons are green Rares are blue Purples are epic Your failure is too

WoW lol

[Eskareon]

The MS3 is significantly faster than the Si in virtually every setting, has better interior, has a lot more interior room, has better handling, and barely costs a grand more than the Si. They are most certainly in the same price bracket. The only argument in favor of the Si is a purely subjective one - "I like how it looks."

Kids like that Vit guy are the reason people stereotype Honda drivers so negatively.

[rodrigo]

so let me get this straight, OP had ms3............... sold it because hes a faggot, got a faggot car and doesnt stay on faggot si forums but comes back to where daddy is at to incite?

i smell perma ban for coming to msf to start shit.............

his pending outcome under review.........

stay tuned

[woowoooooo]

im on that forum. i thought about getting an si. just to get out of the speed i drove it and was offered 5k less than kbb trade in i simply told the sales guy to fuck off and walked out. and he didnt try to stop me..... im gonna go post in that thread now...

btw im itsryno on there. i should be banned in approximately 1 hour im sure.

[woowoooooo]

Originally Posted by Amazonian Wrong, and I think you know that: About VitViper Name 13.9 @ 100 - Street tires Car Year 2008 Body Style Coupe Car Color NHBP Engine/Performance Modifications Injen CAI SSR Replica Header Vibrant Catback Exhaust FlashPro UR Pullies TSX TB Wheel/Suspension Upgrades Progress RSB Eibach Sportlines Boomba Motormounts

and he only ran a 14.0? bwahahah lol that fucker cant drive my boy did that with i/h/e/ tune oh wait faster.... he still needs the driver mod.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by lenny127 so let me get this straight, OP had ms3............... sold it because hes a faggot, got a faggot car and doesnt stay on faggot si forums but comes back to where daddy is at to incite? i smell perma ban for coming to msf to start shit............. his pending outcome under review......... stay tuned

Eh, you can ban me if you want. It's fair enough, it was an instigative post. Honestly, I didn't expect such defensiveness from these forums, but it's your playground, and you get to make the rules.

I seriously do wish you all the best with the MS3 platform. I know the challenges you have all faced.

Sayonara!

[sideslide4life]

The Forum Wars
How does this get set up anyway?

[woowoooooo]

ill gladly fuck that dudes couch.

[motocrosser614]

Originally Posted by badams118 Eh, you can ban me if you want. It's fair enough, it was an instigative post. Honestly, I didn't expect such defensiveness from these forums, but it's your playground, and you get to make the rules. I seriously do wish you all the best with the MS3 platform. I know the challenges you have all faced. Sayonara!

Coming here and knowingly posting negative material is uncalled for in the manner you have taken. I like how you said "I didn't expect such defensiveness from this forum" Are you fuckin retarded?!? No matter where u post this bullshit about anyones specific car or forum will get you negative results especially when you only won by 4 100ths of a second.......thats sad with twice as many mods for the point your trying to push.

From the famous words of 'Kenny Powers
Your Fucking Out

And on our playground we make torque and dont depend on V-Tec as our savior

[Amazon]

Time for the ban hammer to nail the OP. Since when do us MS3 drivers go posting videos and stories of our cars smoking Si's on the 8thcivic forum?
I went from Si to MS3, then to S2000 and back to Si (cut costs) before buying a 2010 MS3.

MS3 > Si

Imagine waiting until 5800 rpm's for our turbo to spool, and when it does spool, imagine it only pushing 2-3 psi, that is V-tech.

[DaleNixon]

I feel fucking old reading this thread. Mostly because I can't seem to get pissed off about it.

[Nataphen]

Did anyone notice that even though the times for the MS3 were consistently much slower, it still ran a higher trap speed, lol. Once, he ran a 14.73, then a 14.45. He had 2.5 60' times. Why the hell would you even brag about beating someone that was that bad of a driver? Whatever dude, SI stands for Slow Indeed.

[Amazon]

Dale, I think it is high time that you went Full Race with the Wife's Si.

[Nataphen]

Originally Posted by badams118 torque   /tɔrk/ Show Spelled [tawrk] Show IPA ,noun, verb,torqued, torqu·ing. –noun 1. Something that produces or tends to produce bent or broken rods; the moment of a force or system of forces tending to cause engine failure.

Are you kidding me? When I took my 483rwtq Cobra to the track, and finally beat the crap out of it running 11.8-12.0 @ 117 on drag radials long enough, it killed the clutch, broke the rear diff cover, and ruined the ring and pinion. The first thing that popped into my head wasn't, "well, I guess I shouldn't have so much torque in this car because it's starting to break things." You can only launch a car at 4500 RPMs and pull 1.6 60' times for so long before something lets go. Did someone chop your balls off?
If you drive your car the way that these cars were meant to be driven, things will break. I haven't taken my MS3 to the track yet, but when I start, I bet you that I will break it at some point. If not, I'm probably not racing very well. If the MS3 only had 10 ft/lbs. of torque like the Si does, I'm sure that it would be much more reliable.

Sorry to all the regulars for the rant.

[DaleNixon]

Originally Posted by Amazonian Dale, I think it is high time that you went Full Race with the Wife's Si.

Rofl. Her and the car are long gone

[TRex]

lol at badams...you sir are a true troll

bravo

[TenaciousBoost]

Not everybody can handle the amount of power that vtec makes, so we just settle for the speed3.. Maybe when we all grow some balls we'll enter the world that is the civic si..

[8.5MS3]

i beat a gtr at autox yesterday, by 4 seconds! maybe i should start a thread


GTR======LULz

o one other thing. this is why everyone hates honda

[knarfies]

Originally Posted by TenaciousBoost Not everybody can handle the amount of power that vtec makes, so we just settle for the speed3.. Maybe when we all grow some balls we'll enter the world that is the civic si..

? is that why all the si's in abq are afraid to race me?

[woowoooooo]

because they see racing you as a waste of gas because our speeds are slow and will be raped by teh VTAK

[knarfies]

lol when i see a si rape a wrx, etc i shake your hand. (and not a thrown race on gaytube)

oh and si's do blow up too. Search the forum. Rofl

[Teethkikr]

As i states LAST FUCKING week.. Why are people still letting this ass hat get what he wants??

Originally Posted by Teethkikr

[Nataphen]

I just love the fact that he seems to be scared of torque. What a puss.

[JacksonMS30]

Not a profesional racer/timeslip reader so I might be missing something obvious... But what is up with the civics 1/8mile trap?



17.27 on the first and 16.89 on the second? Is that just a glitch with the tracks instruments or what?

[8.5MS3]

vtek didnt kick in yet

[six6]

well, i don't have a speed 3 or a civic si, but i know much about both cars and have worked on both cars and i can tell you my honest opinion, and yes im gonna use ricer examples frumaroll.

this is what i've seen happen with stock ms3 vs si with intake, both drivers can drive pretty well, the si driver was powershifting(flat foot shifting), the speed 3 driving was just speed shifting.

10 roll, civic gets SMASHED
25 roll, (both first gear), Si jumped half car since no boost lag, stayed like that until about 85 mph, then the speed 3 started to creep by, so by 110 the speed was ahead half car.

Now given if the speed 3 had an intake, im sure the outcome would of been a lot more in favor for the speed but who cares lol.

a civic si with i/h/e flashpro and tune i think is a pretty solid race vs a ms3 with intake and test pipe MS3 probably still edging out the civic after like 110 mph.

but the beauty about the SI is that you can get 30 mpg, yes its a 2.0 liter with no torque, but still 30 mpg, and after 6k rpm u can keep up with speed 3's, and not have to worry about any engine failure.

people who say the SI is a total piece of shit and not a sports car, you're an uneducated tool.


people who say the MS3 is a pile of shit and the si outperforms it stock vs stock, are also uneducated tools.

people who say the COBALT SS are a pile of shit, just a fast pile of shit...are completely right :-D

[clos561]

fuckin idiots calling it the msp3, this isnt a protege