N/A 8th Civic 12.9@107
 

First 8th gen in the 12s, afaik. Good driving, even for slicks.


OMFG!! 12s Si (All Motor) - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

im assuming this is a "who gives a shit about the car in the video thread" so I am just doing my part

I'd be bitter if I couldn't hit 12s without crapping a rod, too. lol!

owning a 9 second civic is just like coming out of the closet. at first, everyone's surprised. but in the end, you're still gay.

That joke is so old... but if it makes you feel better.

it does make me feel better. tyvm.

What kind of response were you looking for on a mazda forum?

tbh i appreciate just about any car on the road that's fast. from grand nationals to omni GLHTs to hondas. hondas are just easy targets. too many little faggots driving around with fart cans and vinyls with they're sideways ball cap. you have to admit it's the drivers that have ruined honda. i saw a civic yesterday on the way home with just one hubcap left and a 60 y/o woman driving it and it still had a trash can for a muffler.

i think someone had that joke in their signature

Not bad but I don't see the big deal. That Civic has like every bolt-on / tune known to man, not to mention SLICKS and weight reduction, etc and still barely runs under 13sec. Personally, I would be upset if I spent that much time / effort and cash just to end up with a time like that.

8th gen Civics are great cars. There are plenty of punk drivers out there of every flavor. The worst I've seen have been behind the wheel of a 335i, tbh. There are simply a greater number behind the wheel of Civics than most because they are cheap enough to fit a teenager's budget.

As far as what the driver in the OP accomplished, it really is pretty impressive. The only power mods he has are intake, header, throttle body & cams. It's a 2900lb car before seat & spare removal, so it is not *that* light. He also trapped 107, so you can just write off his time because of the slicks.

Honestly, the goal isn't to start a flame thread. I figure car people will appreciate car accomplishments. If some are offended, I can relate, actually, having known the frustration of owning an MS3.

U cant hate on the civicsThey have smaller motors than we do and they r capabile of making 3 timews the amoutn of hp we make and could ever make...baleiv eme if it wasent for all the ricers i would love to have my 2000 si jackson racing supercharged civic back anyday

now thats v tec sound lol gotta love it

I can appreciate a civic when done right... The problem is I only see 1 decent civic every 6 months or so while the POS ricers I see 6 every time I leave my house.

that sound has never impressed me.

i appreciate the technology however

I think its pretty impressive. They took a, what high 15second, low 16second car, into a territory that very few MazdaSpeed3s ever hit. And the MS3 is a high 13 low 14second car to begin with.
I find it amazing that MS3 owners call themselves enthusiasts but are never impressed with anything other than Mazda. Its ultimate Fanboism, and makes us just as bad as those Civic owners we make fun of.

To me, if someone takes time and puts heart into it, I will support it. Like the platform or not, N/A in a territory we struggle to hit, is pretty impresive.

Si has potential especially done right, thank the ricers for the bad name but for the few that do it right keep it up!

Pretty impressive. I wish it was a 4 door though :)

No, the 8th GEN Civic SI runs high 14's/low 15's stock, I've owned one before the MS3. I'm not very impressed with a vehicle that needs all those modifications to bearly run under 13sec, especially with weight reduction / slicks. I never said I was impressed with the MS3 either, this has nothing to do with "ultimate fanboism" it's reality. Yes, I'm aware FWD sport compacts can be fast with the right turbo / tuning. But then you just basically have the ultimate roll-on / drag race w/ slicks car that's a pain in the ass to drive on a daily basis.

Seriously curious, ms3077, what cars do impress you? Intake/header/exhaust will get an 8th gen Civic into 13s, and I don't consider that highly modded at all. There are certainly faster cars, but they generally have more cylinders/displacement/boost, which really doesn't impress me when they have so much more to work with.

Sorry I would be sad if I did the following to achieve said time:

I/H/CAMS/FP/TB/PM/OP/FD/IMG/MM/Slicks

The car went down the strip open header with no passenger seat, no spare, and three bars of gas left on the gauge. Best ET is 12.8 & best Trap Speed is 108MPH. The slicks improved my time by almost a full second. Car #311

The question isn't "what impresses me" it's "this particular example doesn't"

If the car could run even close to that on street tires and interior I might be a little more impressed. I didn't say it's "awful" or anything I'm just not amazed by anything here. It's nothing "earth shattering" It’s a new si running a high 12 aided by slicks / weight reduction and multiple modifications at a ¼ mile strip I’m not familiar with. I'm sorry this upsets you.

Do you drove 5 second funny cars in your spare time or something? Because on THAT PLATFORM, without a turbo, is impressive. You cannot just state a particular time, is unimpressive. You have to equate it to what is doing it.

For example. A 40 Second quarter mile can be EXTREMELY impressive, if its a power wheels doing it.
While, a 8 second run can be pitiful, if its a top fuel dragster doing it.
SO THERE IS WHERE THE FANBOISM COMES IN. You don't think its impressive because its a Honda doing it.

No, you're just slammed full of assumptions, barking up the wrong tree and becoming belligerent because I don't think a Honda with said modifications is all that impressive. I have nothing against Honda you fucking twat. Are you done venting or do you want more?

Oh and aren't you the one who said they run 16's to begin with? Yeah you know a shit load about Hondas I tell you what. Just STFU

Oh and 8th Gen Civics DO NOT run high 14s low 15s. Civic SIs do.

Who is belligerent? I never swore at you are was disrespectful.

I didn't say 8th gen "civics" run high 14/ low 15's! You said SI's run 16's!

I corrected you and said NO, SI's run high 14/low 15's.

You don't have to use "curse words" to be belligerent, it's you attitude, the way you're making assumptions and accusing people of being something they aren't.

No I never EVER EVER said anything about an SI in this thread until after I posted the time I posted. This thread is not about Civic SIs. So no I did not say a Civic SI runs those times.

Please post where I said an SI runs 16's. I would love to see that!!

OMG you're so lost!!!!

end thread / I'm LMFAO right now!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just do yourself a favor and sign off..

But in your defense, if I was under the assumption we were talking about a regular civic I probably would be A LOT more impressed as well...

I must have reading comprehension issues because the title of the thread is:

And the orginal post says:

Maybe I went to a terrible school because I do not see the Letters SI in there anywhere. Maybe you can point them out to me?

So yes I am assuming that this is about an 8th Gen Civic. Since thats what the thread is about.

Okay, I'm going to try and be as nice as possible here.

First off, to even think for a second that a regular plain Jane N/A 8th Gen Civic would one in the 12's pretty much proves you aren't very familiar with Honda.

Lastly, there's a link in the OP that clearly states the Civic is indeed an "SI"

Did not see the link to another forum.
I do not know much about civics, but I don't need to, to understand what a good time for a 8th GEN CIVIC is, and this is why I FOUND it impressive.

Yes, that's why I even came to your defense and said that I could understand why you thought the way you did. You were under the wrong impression. But don’t hear me wrong, the SI’S performance isn’t “bad” or anything it just doesn’t impress all that much.

My opinion has nothing to do with hating Honda, I like Honda and actually been contemplating getting an S2K for months now. Perfect 50/50 weight distribution; RWD; Very stout 2.2l N/A 4cyl; Purpose built / pure sports car; good power to weight ratio; etc.

P.S Sorry for being an ass hole by the way. I've just been having to defend my self quite a lot lately. Comes by instinct now lol.

*yawn* i'm tired of reading everyone's posts back and forth -- the truth of the matter is that the person w/ the civic accomplished something -- he's proud of it -- let him be proud of it -- Honda or not, he did it -- good for him -- we love our mazdas -- he loves his honda -- we're all a little bias here --

this is me saying "well done" to the civic driver

gooodnight

What's to be upset about? I just want to know what you do find impressive if a 12 second NA 8th Civic that traps 108 doesn't impress you?

BTW, he did 13.9 with only intake & header on all season street tires, so I don't know what the "full second" comment is about, exactly.

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autoc...nally-13s.html

Nice runs- my friend has a Si w/ intake headers exhaust mm and slicks and did 14.4...
FP/TB/PM/OP/FD/IMG what the heck are these mods?? lol

FP = Flash Pro
TB = Throttle Body
PM = Ported intake Mani
OP = Oil Pump
FD = Final Drive
IMG = Intake Mani Gasket

Of those, only the flash pro, intake, throttle body & ported mani are power mods.

What's final drive him changing the gears?

There are some specs here:

my *OFFICIAL* FD2-R 5.06 Final drive review - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

this thread is too funny....

fuckin faggot civic

ACTUALLY

socks came damn near 11 seconds 1/4 in a speed 3.

Because you spend the same money it would cost to buy a far better performing vehicle to begin with only to spend a lot more and end up with not very impressive results. There, that basically sums it up. Yes, personally I wouldn't be exactly pleased.

Also, knocking a FULL SECOND off stock with what? 20-25whp is bit unbelievable. I’ve owned the car and there’s no way in hell it would quicker than an MS3 with just an extra 20-30hp. 103mph from the 94mph stock trap speed makes it even more bogus. But hey I suppose anything can happen, I wasn’t there watching.

That's like saying an MS3 with an intake ran 12.9@110 or some crazy shit like that. It doesn't add up, at all.

Hey guys! We all fuck up and should have just bought an SI and bolted-on some of these magical buddy club headers! They knock off a FULL SEC off the ¼ mile time and add around 10mph to the strap speed lol!

Lol, he has vids & slips. He is by far not the only one to get into 13s with only intake/header/exhaust/tune. I guess I would be pissed too if a bolt-on NA Civic ran as fast as your turbo MS3 with intake.

As far as the money argument, it is completely bogus. Do you want me to add up the cost of a Civic + supercharger? You can get 300whp on a 2900lb car. You don't have to build the block or drown it in meth, either. haha

Post Your dynos. - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

Official Quickest Quarter Mile ET's - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum
13.73 @ 102.08 all motor - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum
13.8@101 ALL MOTOR - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

this thread still open?

wow, never seen so many haters on this site. All motor is where it's at.

How many more times do I got to say it?? I'm not impressed with your fucking civic! Get the fuck over it already, move on, get a life!

Oh so a car that cost the same to begin with can run as quick as one with over 2k invested (yet is still down 100ft-lb torque). And now it goes from just an intake / headers to "tune" "intake" "exhaust" and "open headers"

Don't hate the player? What are you like 17?

Full-Race 30R - *STOCK* 06 Si, Evans Tuning - 568whp - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

lol, u mad bro?

Mad? Mad about what? There's nothing to be mad about! I would never be dumb enough to invest that much money into any FWD car let alone a Civic. Oh wow! Now you got a roll-on / drag race only car. You haven't proved a damn thing buddy; you're just trolling because you're insecure with your torque less civic purchase. I've owned the car before the MS3, it doesn't compare. I have no desire to have a shit ton of horse power in a FWD platform, the MS3 just happens to be a good balance of everything desirable in a car of this type. With the Civic you got to invest at least 2k (proabably more realistically) in modifications to just match the MS3's 1/4 mile time and it's still down over 100ft-lbs torque. That's not exactly win

Will you guys shut the fuck up and make out alreadly?

Civic is ~22k, MS2 is ~24k. They don't cost the same. Dollar for dollar, you will get better performance from the Civic. Sorry, but facts are facts.

First you don't believe that i/h/e will get a civic into 13s, then, when I post another three examples, you suddenly don't care in spite of posting over 10 times in this thread already. Riiight!

You still haven't told me what does impress you. What is it, your MS3 that barely breaks into 13.9 in spite of running over 17psi of boost?

Intake/header/exhaust will cost u all of $1300, and it will out perform an MS3 even with an intake & a tune.

No, Civic and MS3's go for about the same depending on Options. Dollar for dollar you don't get better performance from the Civic, that ISN'T a fact. Just look how FAR the SI is behind the MS3 around the track! It’s so far behind its silly, no comparison!

Performance is more than just straight line speed; I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand this though considering your age. Hell, not even the S2000 isn't superior let a lone a fucking Civic.

Oh and you keep bullshitting about what MODS your talking about. First you say just "intake" "headers" then you change your mind and say "Intake" "open headers" "exhaust" "tune", etc...

You sound like you don't know WTF you're talking about. Either way, according to you / your forum slips it takes at least 2k in modifications just to match the MS3 in the 1/4. There have been stock MS3's at 13.8 -13.9, I ran 13.9 w/ sri when it was 95 degrees and heat soaked all to hell.

Yeah and you're smoking crack. An SI with ~ 20whp over stock isn't going to "out perform" the MS3.

VIR:

MS3: 3:16.0 - Civic SI: 3:26.5

Close? My Ass! You think that extra 20 whp or so will close the gap on 10.5secs?

Intake $200
Header $580
Exhaust $520

Total $1300

HFC only adds $100, so that's $1400. So where are you coming up with the extra $600? You can add an AP or Flash Pro, but people have broken 13 without it. You don't even *need* the exhaust.

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autoc...nally-13s.html

So, really, for less than $1k you can break a 13 second quarter on all season street tires.

O Rly? i/h/e civic -> 13.73 @ 102.08 all motor - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

Show me the MS3 that runs 13.7 on street tires with an intake, much less stock. Lol, smoking crack, huh?

With the same 225 summer tires & i/h/e bolt-ons, I have no doubt about it. There is nothing magic about an MS3 that would make it handle better other than the tires.

And again, you still aren't getting the claimed modifications right! This is what the dude with the 13.73 claims:

injen cai, buddyclub rh, buddyclub pro spec, hondata reflash, falken azenis 615 tires (You love to leave out the TUNE for some reason and 615's aren't "all season"..)

Like I said for the 456984547 time, a Civic SI with ~20whp over stock isn't knocking off a FULL SEC of the stock 1/4 mile time. I've seen enough SI'S run at the track to know the difference between FACT and FICTION. Most of these SI owners are about 17-19 years old with something to prove so it's not surprising things don't add up, at all.

Yeah, keep dreaming! And don't forget the give the MS3 coil overs , tires, and other power mods.

I love the honda haters, its always funny when the turbo car gets beat on the highway by a all motor car.

I understand we are on a Mazda forum, but don't you just respect others builds?

It seems the people who are the haters are the ones that post "limo tint" as a mod.

Who the hell is "hating" on Honda?? The fact that people aren't very impressed with something doesn't mean they're "hating on honda".

vtec just kicked in yo'!

Pay attention. The time I was referring to was the 13.9 I linked first. That was done on all seasons.

You can disbelieve it all you want. You are basically saying that multiple drivers are lying and somehow posting fake vids & time slips. I don't know what more I can show you to prove that an i/h/e civic can run 13s. I don't really care if you believe it, or not, but the all the vids & slips are there.

I love your sig! But I'll meet your civic on fire & raise you about 50 or so blown engines. ;)

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...e-thread-6113/

ya, but this guy blew his engine trying to race an ms3. lawls!

besides honda tuners are blowin' em all the time, only difference is you can get 'em dime a dozen. the junkyard is full of them.

Heh, K20s are strong engines. Try running 450+ whp on a stock MZR block with no meth.

I can never give up my Supercharged GSR del Sol. A honda with as much tq as hp is pretty fun :)

People in my town use to try and give me a hard time for owning a honda, but once they've seen a few races that ended in someone else getting butt hurt, that all changed.

It's pretty funny when my little ole del sol destroyed a 99 Cobra. After his excuses fell though, he actually started tearing up.

Im also not impress with the honda, and only because this nothing new.
Really guys:phillyb:

yep, not disputing that. but, if u want a decently quick stock sports car off the lot for a great price, grab a mazda mazdaspeed3 not a honda civic si. car and driver, edmunds, ward's and others agree.

hey, badams, just curious, y r u here? seems like you are picking fights, maybe u even thought u were being subtle with this thread. cuz, i see no mazda in your garage. until that changes, we really have no use for you here.

Here’s the point. The Civic SI and Mazdaspeed3 cost roughly the same stock for stock and the MS3 blows its doors off, no comparison. In the ¼ mile a stock Civic SI runs roughly 14.9-15.2@92-94mph where’s the MS3 runs 14.0-14.2@100-103mph.

Your claims / time slips of Civic SI’S running equivalent times as an MS3 with what amounts to roughly 20-25whp over stock makes no sense whatsoever (something is missing).

I’ve raced / seen plenty of 8th Gen Civic SI’S at the strip with intake / headers/ Honda data / etc and never seen one of them even remotely close to what a stock MS3 can run. And you think MOD for MOD the Civic SI is the “better” performer? (Well in this case better “straight line speed”).

How many Civic SI’S can run 13.1 with just: Intake / Down pipe / Drag radials? Answer? None; not a chance in hell. Or how about 13.3@108 with just: Intake / Cobb AP? Answer? Again, none; not a chance in hell. We also got people that have run 13.8 bone fucking stock!

How the hell is a Civic SI going from 15.0 Seconds to 13.8 second with basically just a fucking header upgrade? (Because the intake / exhaust don’t do much at all). Answer? It doesn’t! I car needs some SERIOUS fucking power to improve over a FULL SEC! The general rule is for every 10hp there should be an improvement of ~ 1 tenth of a SEC.

Yes, I’m well aware you can take almost any old POS FWD car and make it fast. People have been doing this for many years. You can go to the junk yard and find some old POS civic hatch , fix it up a bit and drop in a 200-250whp N/A motor and it can be “fast” because it’s so fucking light. Big deal, you now got an 1800lbs POS car (with no interior I might add) with a good power to weight ratio that can run 10-11’s in the ¼ mile now!

The main appeal with cars like the MS3 isn’t just how fast it can run in a straight line. It’s the “over all” package; “over all” performance; and of course awesome turbo charged TORQUE with makes daily driving fun. Most people that are serious and know anything about a great performance vehicle aren’t stepping into FWD econo boxes w/ sporting intentions. The MS3 just happens to be a great compromise and bang for the buck value. The SI? Not so much.

I owned an MS3 before I bought the Civic. I dumped the MS3 because of the obvious reliability issues.

Like I said a page ago, car people will appreciate car accomplishments.

You can keep saying that, but it is not true.

Edmunds.com - 2010 Honda Civic Car Pricing Guide
Edmunds.com - 2010 Mazda MAZDASPEED3 Car Pricing Guide

I've never seen an MS3 run 13.3 with just an intake/tune unless it is on slicks. On street tires, I've never seen one run less than 13.9. Maybe I am wrong, but I have never seen any proof of this.

I get that you don't believe a bolted civic will get into 13s. It is a light, mod friendly car. Like I said, you can doubt all you want, but I have posted several vids & time slips.

I also get that you like your MS3. I liked my MS3, too, but I didn't want to play roulette with my rods just because I added a down pipe. If you are happy with your car, fine. I hope you are still happy when you end up like the countless people who blew their engines trying to get to 300whp. No amount of "over all" whatever is worth a new engine in a car that can't handle much more than an intake which only puts it in the same territory as an NA civic with basic bolt ons.

You're comparing the price of the 2010 and even it's still extremely close! Not to mention it's A LOT easier to get the MS3 for cheaper vs. The HONDA

You don’t believe the MS3’s times? CHECK the drag racing section. They're there and it's very possible.

I don't care about your vid / time slips. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT A FULL SEC AND +10MPH IS A RESULT OF what amounts to ~ 20-25WHP. Something is missing, period.

Bottom line, you're going to spend significantly more money to get a Civic SI to run the ¼ mile on par with a stock MS3, fact. It isn’t happening with just intake/ headers/ exhaust as I've explained.

You aren't talking to a bunch of gullible 17-19yr old kids here. Most of us can discern the difference between what is actually feasible and what’s bullshit.

Go find the 2009 prices. They haven't changed much.

Anywho, let me get this straight. You don't trust the vids & slips I posted, but I am just supposed to take your word for it that an MS3 with an intake/tune can hit 13.3 on street tires or 13.8 stock? Seriously?

no one has ever run 450+ whp on a stock mzr before so no one knows what would happen....don't go and make dumb statements.

I believe ur ugly honda can run 13's all day with what u have,..very nice woop D doo..

but again..no statements like that one please...

when it all comes down to it..you both have fail fwd cars and with 500+ whp on a civic just as on a ms3 you aint goin anywhere fast.. so argue all you want..

rwd and awd is whereit's at..grow up kids and stop playing with your toys

No one has run 450+ whp on a stock MZR because a stock MZR can't reliably handle more than 300whp. That was my point. The K20 is a quality engine; the 2.3 DISI, not so much.

But it sure is fun while it lasts!

I don't believe the vids & slips you posted because they don't make sense. You don't have to believe what an MS3 is capable of, I and virtually everyone else on the board know the truth and that's all I cure about. It makes sense the MS3 runs what it does due to a far superior power to weight ratio. It doesn’t make sense that a Civic SI with a ~20whp power increase will run on par with a stock MS3 (It takes A LOT of power to improve ¼ time by a FULL SEC and 10+MPH in the trap).

Not only this put ¼ mile times aren’t the ONLY measures of good power / speed. And granted both the MS3 and SI are FWD, the SI is actually better geared (4 shifts vice 5 if I recall correctly) / suited for ¼ mile runs due to taller gearing and no issues with heat soak. You know how to test this theory? Find a bone stock MS3 and an SI that traps 100 in the ¼ and start each from a roll-on, see what happens. I’d bet my left nut the MS3 wins.

I’m glad you love your Civic, I’m sure you get good MPG. Good night.

dude just shut ur fuck hole already...
u have no idea what ur talkin about..

so I guess NO 1 has made 450 whp on a built block or stock cause its just not reliable? NO

that has NOTHING to do with it.

no one has made over 400 whp on any block untill recently and that is due to CP-E and obviously you would have no idea about that.

when someone here has big enough balls and enough money to blow i'm sure they will make over 450 on stock block to see where the stock block blows... as of yet it no one has done this yet

it's all in the tuning not in the block.

Motor Week has the 2010 Ms3 at 13.9 @ 102. A lot of people did that in the 1st gen too, and I believe 13.8 is possible with a good 60ft even 100% stock. I did 13.3 @ 108 on street tires w/ just ap and intake, and 13.7 w/ just a intake...but don't even worry about that because I'm going to try to put my friend w/ the Si's slicks on my car, and if they fit I'm going to run a 12.9 haha!!! They are 16" RSX wheels; I think they will fit they have the same bolt pattern!!

this is a funny thread.

i ran 13.9 stock!

Let’s try to put this situation into perspective a little. The Honda S2K for example, weighs over 100lbs less then an 8th Civic SI and has a +40hp advantage. Also keep in mind this car is RWD which is definitely better suited for drag. You know what it runs in the ¼ mile? Most tests have it at 14.2-14.4@97-99mph. So my question is this: How does a car that has a very similar power train (albeit less power) as the S2000 but is FWD; weighs over 100lbs more; on all seasons and down 20hp (these modded ones) run so much quicker?

Or here’s another good one! We’re all familiar with the Neon SRT 4 I’m sure and that straight line ¼ mile acceleration is very comparable to the MS3. So let’s break down a few things so we can try and figure out why. Most of us know that the Neon is hugely under-rated from the factory and that 230-240whp is the norm. So what we have is a vehicle that weighs the same as the Civic SI (coupe) at 2900lbs, has a 5-speed manual (better than 6 for drag), and has about 30-40whp more than these modified magical Civic SI’S OP is referring to. I know I left out the fact that the SI doesn’t have an “turbo lag” but that alone isn’t enough to make up for a whopping 30-40whp power deficit

Civic SI’S weight about as mentioned ~2900lbs and if you research you’ll find that stock it's fair to say they put down roughly 180 WHP compared to the Neons 235 whp. An intake/ exhaust / headers will yield maybe 20whp if you’re lucky bringing the total power out put too roughly 200whp or a whopping 30-40whp LESS than the Neon! (And this isn’t even taking into considering the better suited gear ratios of the SRT 4) Like I said, something pretty MAJOR is missing out of the equation. I’m guessing it’s a combination of a tune, weight reduction, gear ratio changes, short track, crank pulley, drags / slicks, and or a re flash / something.

ROFL, over THREE years on this platform & no one can figure out how to tune it? How come this isn't a problem for any other platform on the market, ace? Here is a clue for you, dumbass, no one is going to figure out how to tune your POS Mazda because it is a rod throwing blender every time you get a cunts hair near 300whp. I have watched the story unfold with Randy & CPE from day one you scrub.

it's called DI you dumb faggot...ace

and hondas ecu is a joke to crack, my mother could crack that ecu while eating her gf's vag out.

you have no idea...you havnt read enough to know shit.

:bukkake:

vtak yo!!!!!

lol @ this thread

You act like this is the first engine ever to use DI. And that still doesn't explain the massive failure rate with basic bolt-ons .... ace.

haha, you make it sound like such a bad thing that Hondas are easy to tune. Thank fucking god I dumped my MS3. I honestly feel sorry for all the people who stayed loyal only to get corn holed when the car threw a rod & Mazda told them to go fuck a porcupine.

LOL mad l33t ecu hax0rs = bettar car y0

one reason y si's have such bad quarter mile times is because the transmissions are bad. a buddy of mine has an '07 si, he's always complaining about the gears grinding so bad. i experienced it first hand. i drove it and i nearly had to raise my leg and kick-jam the thing into third. took so long to get into 3rd i almost dropped out of vtec - and i wound out second! he grinds so bad in second and third its not even funny. everytime he races me, after i beat him (which is every time), i get a text or call about how bad some gear grinds.

2009 Civic Si Transmission Problems - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

A lot of the early years had problems getting into third when the engine was cold. There has been a TSB to fix it. Mine is an 09, and shifts better than my MS3 did.

Even if it were a problem, I would gladly take trouble getting into 3rd when the car is cold over a hole in the block.

dude, why do you sit on here and keep ragging to MAZDASPEED OWNERS about how their motor is going to blow? No one wants to hear that shit, you are quickly becoming ladouche. Nice, your buddy or whoever the fuck he is ran a good time. Stop replying to the flamers about how your car is superior to an ms3 its getting old.

my favorite is his last line...
comparing cold shift into 3rd in an Si, to MS3 blowing engines.

lol, that is a totally legit comparison!! buahahahhaha, this thread makes me giggle.

u r right kilik, it is getting old. also, badams, turbo is where its at, n/a = suxor. besides, i know plenty of honda guys that blew their engines when they started playing with turbos. turbo was a funny little invention that is hard to get just right. there is always that degree of uncertainty as a result of the nature of the beast. you cannot allow for every scenario. especially when u r designing a car for a client base who usually have a budget to think of.

however, the si is not superior to the ms3. it is in fact, the other way around. mazda did not design this car to be heavily modded. they designed it to be quick, turbo, great handling, straight from the factory. on these terms it beats out all other cars in its class, including the si. truth be told, with just a few relatively safe and inexpensive mods it can even keep up with stock evo's and sti's. the ms3 is a phenomenal little car all things considered. who knows, maybe in a few more generations some of the kinks will be worked out and the engine may become a lot more resistant to abuse, we are currently only on the 2nd. fact of the matter is that honda is not keeping pace. once again, the professional critics agree on these facts. badams, u, sir, r anything but a professional critic. so, yeah, leave the forum. go join you a honda forum somewhere so u can have conversations with 16 & 17 year olds until your heart is content...

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I'm sure gonna stop posting in this thread because a lot of sandy vags whine about it. Yesiree!

Anywho, if you want boost, the K20 is a better engine for it than the MZR. I know it sucks that a factory turbo can't handle boost as well as an engine designed for NA, but that is the sad state of affairs for MS3 owners.

Once again, don't hate the player, hate the game!

pce out faggot..

we dont want you here.....

you cant argue with stupid people they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience

Look, there is no reason to get your panties all in a wad. It's not your fault that the MS3 has such substantial limitations & reliability issues. You won't find anyone more sympathetic to that fact than myself. Bashing the accomplishments of Hondas isn't going to make your car run any better, though.

Be smart & trade your Mazda in while you still have rods inside your block. Get an Aveo, for all I care, but don't let bitterness make you keep the time bomb on wheels too long.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tonight-51332/

lol....

ya know mods like haltech, and others don't like the constant bashing of our superior car..

I hope one of em reads your posts and perma bans your faggot ass.

you are full of speculation and nothing else.

you have no idea why SOME ppl have blown their motor....no theory like some.
just keep your mouth shut and move on.

why stay on our great forum if you want to do nothing but bash our superior car.

have fun with your VtAK bitch

Every time VTAK kiks in, an MS3 throws a rod. :(

read my name faggot ...I have a speed 6 not 3

if you are gonna stick around these parts please keep us updated on your POS honda and let us know when ur tranny falls out or you blow your motor.

Yeah, because AWD is gonna save your motor. rofl!

The Honda is running awesome, tbh, it's nice putting the sun roof up now that it is getting warm. Getting 35mpg while knowing I am faster than my MS3 was stock is just icing on the cake.

just stop to let a little common sense sink in.
the actual ratio of speed owners versus blown motors is actually really low.

the reason anyone would feel it is common is because THOSE are the people that post!
Forums are about 80-90% or more, consisting of people posting about PROBLEMS, not posting about how great their car is running. of total speed owners, i bet only about 25% of those owners are actually on international forums...

unless a company or magazine starts to create a census to determine what % of speed owners have blown engines, we have almost zero factual data to assume it is a common problem. as harsh as some people are saying it badams, it is true when they say you are full of speculation... hell we cant really know for sure ourselves in that regard...

in terms of SI vs MS3... stupid debate. too many deadhorses to count.
specially on a forum tahts geared towards one side already, all it is, is baiting/trolling at that point.

silly thread is silly. :D

If course no one knows the exact ratio, but seriously, how many other forums have had even close to this many engine failures reported? At least the WRX problems were covered & fixed.

no idea, but i dont sit on other car forums all day to know this... do you?
just curious.

i have friends with both STi and EVOs they tell me of new blown engine stories from the forums all the time... but im not gonna claim that this means they blow up all the time. you seem to sit on this forum all day, so ofc you are gonna see blown engine stories here more often.

idk, just common sense i guess?

i like you, good member you are.

now donate.

You must have had one turd of an MS3 if your SI is actually faster. Even if you're running Cobb's highest "stage 2" tune for the SI which is +14.6%hp or 200 WHP (est.) over stock, still no chance. Your SI isn’t faster than an MS3, period