this thread still open?

wow, never seen so many haters on this site. All motor is where it's at.

How many more times do I got to say it?? I'm not impressed with your fucking civic! Get the fuck over it already, move on, get a life!

Oh so a car that cost the same to begin with can run as quick as one with over 2k invested (yet is still down 100ft-lb torque). And now it goes from just an intake / headers to "tune" "intake" "exhaust" and "open headers"

Don't hate the player? What are you like 17?

Full-Race 30R - *STOCK* 06 Si, Evans Tuning - 568whp - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

lol, u mad bro?

Mad? Mad about what? There's nothing to be mad about! I would never be dumb enough to invest that much money into any FWD car let alone a Civic. Oh wow! Now you got a roll-on / drag race only car. You haven't proved a damn thing buddy; you're just trolling because you're insecure with your torque less civic purchase. I've owned the car before the MS3, it doesn't compare. I have no desire to have a shit ton of horse power in a FWD platform, the MS3 just happens to be a good balance of everything desirable in a car of this type. With the Civic you got to invest at least 2k (proabably more realistically) in modifications to just match the MS3's 1/4 mile time and it's still down over 100ft-lbs torque. That's not exactly win

Will you guys shut the fuck up and make out alreadly?

Civic is ~22k, MS2 is ~24k. They don't cost the same. Dollar for dollar, you will get better performance from the Civic. Sorry, but facts are facts.

First you don't believe that i/h/e will get a civic into 13s, then, when I post another three examples, you suddenly don't care in spite of posting over 10 times in this thread already. Riiight!

You still haven't told me what does impress you. What is it, your MS3 that barely breaks into 13.9 in spite of running over 17psi of boost?

Intake/header/exhaust will cost u all of $1300, and it will out perform an MS3 even with an intake & a tune.

No, Civic and MS3's go for about the same depending on Options. Dollar for dollar you don't get better performance from the Civic, that ISN'T a fact. Just look how FAR the SI is behind the MS3 around the track! It’s so far behind its silly, no comparison!

Performance is more than just straight line speed; I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand this though considering your age. Hell, not even the S2000 isn't superior let a lone a fucking Civic.

Oh and you keep bullshitting about what MODS your talking about. First you say just "intake" "headers" then you change your mind and say "Intake" "open headers" "exhaust" "tune", etc...

You sound like you don't know WTF you're talking about. Either way, according to you / your forum slips it takes at least 2k in modifications just to match the MS3 in the 1/4. There have been stock MS3's at 13.8 -13.9, I ran 13.9 w/ sri when it was 95 degrees and heat soaked all to hell.

Yeah and you're smoking crack. An SI with ~ 20whp over stock isn't going to "out perform" the MS3.

VIR:

MS3: 3:16.0 - Civic SI: 3:26.5

Close? My Ass! You think that extra 20 whp or so will close the gap on 10.5secs?

Intake $200
Header $580
Exhaust $520

Total $1300

HFC only adds $100, so that's $1400. So where are you coming up with the extra $600? You can add an AP or Flash Pro, but people have broken 13 without it. You don't even *need* the exhaust.

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autoc...nally-13s.html

So, really, for less than $1k you can break a 13 second quarter on all season street tires.

O Rly? i/h/e civic -> 13.73 @ 102.08 all motor - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

Show me the MS3 that runs 13.7 on street tires with an intake, much less stock. Lol, smoking crack, huh?

With the same 225 summer tires & i/h/e bolt-ons, I have no doubt about it. There is nothing magic about an MS3 that would make it handle better other than the tires.

And again, you still aren't getting the claimed modifications right! This is what the dude with the 13.73 claims:

injen cai, buddyclub rh, buddyclub pro spec, hondata reflash, falken azenis 615 tires (You love to leave out the TUNE for some reason and 615's aren't "all season"..)

Like I said for the 456984547 time, a Civic SI with ~20whp over stock isn't knocking off a FULL SEC of the stock 1/4 mile time. I've seen enough SI'S run at the track to know the difference between FACT and FICTION. Most of these SI owners are about 17-19 years old with something to prove so it's not surprising things don't add up, at all.

Yeah, keep dreaming! And don't forget the give the MS3 coil overs , tires, and other power mods.

I love the honda haters, its always funny when the turbo car gets beat on the highway by a all motor car.

I understand we are on a Mazda forum, but don't you just respect others builds?

It seems the people who are the haters are the ones that post "limo tint" as a mod.

Who the hell is "hating" on Honda?? The fact that people aren't very impressed with something doesn't mean they're "hating on honda".

vtec just kicked in yo'!

Pay attention. The time I was referring to was the 13.9 I linked first. That was done on all seasons.

You can disbelieve it all you want. You are basically saying that multiple drivers are lying and somehow posting fake vids & time slips. I don't know what more I can show you to prove that an i/h/e civic can run 13s. I don't really care if you believe it, or not, but the all the vids & slips are there.

I love your sig! But I'll meet your civic on fire & raise you about 50 or so blown engines. ;)

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...e-thread-6113/

ya, but this guy blew his engine trying to race an ms3. lawls!

besides honda tuners are blowin' em all the time, only difference is you can get 'em dime a dozen. the junkyard is full of them.

Heh, K20s are strong engines. Try running 450+ whp on a stock MZR block with no meth.

I can never give up my Supercharged GSR del Sol. A honda with as much tq as hp is pretty fun :)

People in my town use to try and give me a hard time for owning a honda, but once they've seen a few races that ended in someone else getting butt hurt, that all changed.

It's pretty funny when my little ole del sol destroyed a 99 Cobra. After his excuses fell though, he actually started tearing up.

Im also not impress with the honda, and only because this nothing new.
Really guys:phillyb:

yep, not disputing that. but, if u want a decently quick stock sports car off the lot for a great price, grab a mazda mazdaspeed3 not a honda civic si. car and driver, edmunds, ward's and others agree.

hey, badams, just curious, y r u here? seems like you are picking fights, maybe u even thought u were being subtle with this thread. cuz, i see no mazda in your garage. until that changes, we really have no use for you here.

Here’s the point. The Civic SI and Mazdaspeed3 cost roughly the same stock for stock and the MS3 blows its doors off, no comparison. In the ¼ mile a stock Civic SI runs roughly 14.9-15.2@92-94mph where’s the MS3 runs 14.0-14.2@100-103mph.

Your claims / time slips of Civic SI’S running equivalent times as an MS3 with what amounts to roughly 20-25whp over stock makes no sense whatsoever (something is missing).

I’ve raced / seen plenty of 8th Gen Civic SI’S at the strip with intake / headers/ Honda data / etc and never seen one of them even remotely close to what a stock MS3 can run. And you think MOD for MOD the Civic SI is the “better” performer? (Well in this case better “straight line speed”).

How many Civic SI’S can run 13.1 with just: Intake / Down pipe / Drag radials? Answer? None; not a chance in hell. Or how about 13.3@108 with just: Intake / Cobb AP? Answer? Again, none; not a chance in hell. We also got people that have run 13.8 bone fucking stock!

How the hell is a Civic SI going from 15.0 Seconds to 13.8 second with basically just a fucking header upgrade? (Because the intake / exhaust don’t do much at all). Answer? It doesn’t! I car needs some SERIOUS fucking power to improve over a FULL SEC! The general rule is for every 10hp there should be an improvement of ~ 1 tenth of a SEC.

Yes, I’m well aware you can take almost any old POS FWD car and make it fast. People have been doing this for many years. You can go to the junk yard and find some old POS civic hatch , fix it up a bit and drop in a 200-250whp N/A motor and it can be “fast” because it’s so fucking light. Big deal, you now got an 1800lbs POS car (with no interior I might add) with a good power to weight ratio that can run 10-11’s in the ¼ mile now!

The main appeal with cars like the MS3 isn’t just how fast it can run in a straight line. It’s the “over all” package; “over all” performance; and of course awesome turbo charged TORQUE with makes daily driving fun. Most people that are serious and know anything about a great performance vehicle aren’t stepping into FWD econo boxes w/ sporting intentions. The MS3 just happens to be a great compromise and bang for the buck value. The SI? Not so much.

I owned an MS3 before I bought the Civic. I dumped the MS3 because of the obvious reliability issues.

Like I said a page ago, car people will appreciate car accomplishments.

You can keep saying that, but it is not true.

Edmunds.com - 2010 Honda Civic Car Pricing Guide
Edmunds.com - 2010 Mazda MAZDASPEED3 Car Pricing Guide

I've never seen an MS3 run 13.3 with just an intake/tune unless it is on slicks. On street tires, I've never seen one run less than 13.9. Maybe I am wrong, but I have never seen any proof of this.

I get that you don't believe a bolted civic will get into 13s. It is a light, mod friendly car. Like I said, you can doubt all you want, but I have posted several vids & time slips.

I also get that you like your MS3. I liked my MS3, too, but I didn't want to play roulette with my rods just because I added a down pipe. If you are happy with your car, fine. I hope you are still happy when you end up like the countless people who blew their engines trying to get to 300whp. No amount of "over all" whatever is worth a new engine in a car that can't handle much more than an intake which only puts it in the same territory as an NA civic with basic bolt ons.

You're comparing the price of the 2010 and even it's still extremely close! Not to mention it's A LOT easier to get the MS3 for cheaper vs. The HONDA

You don’t believe the MS3’s times? CHECK the drag racing section. They're there and it's very possible.

I don't care about your vid / time slips. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT A FULL SEC AND +10MPH IS A RESULT OF what amounts to ~ 20-25WHP. Something is missing, period.

Bottom line, you're going to spend significantly more money to get a Civic SI to run the ¼ mile on par with a stock MS3, fact. It isn’t happening with just intake/ headers/ exhaust as I've explained.

You aren't talking to a bunch of gullible 17-19yr old kids here. Most of us can discern the difference between what is actually feasible and what’s bullshit.

Go find the 2009 prices. They haven't changed much.

Anywho, let me get this straight. You don't trust the vids & slips I posted, but I am just supposed to take your word for it that an MS3 with an intake/tune can hit 13.3 on street tires or 13.8 stock? Seriously?

no one has ever run 450+ whp on a stock mzr before so no one knows what would happen....don't go and make dumb statements.

I believe ur ugly honda can run 13's all day with what u have,..very nice woop D doo..

but again..no statements like that one please...

when it all comes down to it..you both have fail fwd cars and with 500+ whp on a civic just as on a ms3 you aint goin anywhere fast.. so argue all you want..

rwd and awd is whereit's at..grow up kids and stop playing with your toys

No one has run 450+ whp on a stock MZR because a stock MZR can't reliably handle more than 300whp. That was my point. The K20 is a quality engine; the 2.3 DISI, not so much.

But it sure is fun while it lasts!

I don't believe the vids & slips you posted because they don't make sense. You don't have to believe what an MS3 is capable of, I and virtually everyone else on the board know the truth and that's all I cure about. It makes sense the MS3 runs what it does due to a far superior power to weight ratio. It doesn’t make sense that a Civic SI with a ~20whp power increase will run on par with a stock MS3 (It takes A LOT of power to improve ¼ time by a FULL SEC and 10+MPH in the trap).

Not only this put ¼ mile times aren’t the ONLY measures of good power / speed. And granted both the MS3 and SI are FWD, the SI is actually better geared (4 shifts vice 5 if I recall correctly) / suited for ¼ mile runs due to taller gearing and no issues with heat soak. You know how to test this theory? Find a bone stock MS3 and an SI that traps 100 in the ¼ and start each from a roll-on, see what happens. I’d bet my left nut the MS3 wins.

I’m glad you love your Civic, I’m sure you get good MPG. Good night.

dude just shut ur fuck hole already...
u have no idea what ur talkin about..

so I guess NO 1 has made 450 whp on a built block or stock cause its just not reliable? NO

that has NOTHING to do with it.

no one has made over 400 whp on any block untill recently and that is due to CP-E and obviously you would have no idea about that.

when someone here has big enough balls and enough money to blow i'm sure they will make over 450 on stock block to see where the stock block blows... as of yet it no one has done this yet

it's all in the tuning not in the block.

Motor Week has the 2010 Ms3 at 13.9 @ 102. A lot of people did that in the 1st gen too, and I believe 13.8 is possible with a good 60ft even 100% stock. I did 13.3 @ 108 on street tires w/ just ap and intake, and 13.7 w/ just a intake...but don't even worry about that because I'm going to try to put my friend w/ the Si's slicks on my car, and if they fit I'm going to run a 12.9 haha!!! They are 16" RSX wheels; I think they will fit they have the same bolt pattern!!

this is a funny thread.

i ran 13.9 stock!

Let’s try to put this situation into perspective a little. The Honda S2K for example, weighs over 100lbs less then an 8th Civic SI and has a +40hp advantage. Also keep in mind this car is RWD which is definitely better suited for drag. You know what it runs in the ¼ mile? Most tests have it at 14.2-14.4@97-99mph. So my question is this: How does a car that has a very similar power train (albeit less power) as the S2000 but is FWD; weighs over 100lbs more; on all seasons and down 20hp (these modded ones) run so much quicker?

Or here’s another good one! We’re all familiar with the Neon SRT 4 I’m sure and that straight line ¼ mile acceleration is very comparable to the MS3. So let’s break down a few things so we can try and figure out why. Most of us know that the Neon is hugely under-rated from the factory and that 230-240whp is the norm. So what we have is a vehicle that weighs the same as the Civic SI (coupe) at 2900lbs, has a 5-speed manual (better than 6 for drag), and has about 30-40whp more than these modified magical Civic SI’S OP is referring to. I know I left out the fact that the SI doesn’t have an “turbo lag” but that alone isn’t enough to make up for a whopping 30-40whp power deficit

Civic SI’S weight about as mentioned ~2900lbs and if you research you’ll find that stock it's fair to say they put down roughly 180 WHP compared to the Neons 235 whp. An intake/ exhaust / headers will yield maybe 20whp if you’re lucky bringing the total power out put too roughly 200whp or a whopping 30-40whp LESS than the Neon! (And this isn’t even taking into considering the better suited gear ratios of the SRT 4) Like I said, something pretty MAJOR is missing out of the equation. I’m guessing it’s a combination of a tune, weight reduction, gear ratio changes, short track, crank pulley, drags / slicks, and or a re flash / something.

ROFL, over THREE years on this platform & no one can figure out how to tune it? How come this isn't a problem for any other platform on the market, ace? Here is a clue for you, dumbass, no one is going to figure out how to tune your POS Mazda because it is a rod throwing blender every time you get a cunts hair near 300whp. I have watched the story unfold with Randy & CPE from day one you scrub.

it's called DI you dumb faggot...ace

and hondas ecu is a joke to crack, my mother could crack that ecu while eating her gf's vag out.

you have no idea...you havnt read enough to know shit.

:bukkake:

vtak yo!!!!!

lol @ this thread