Right, because the track times of two cars at nearly a MILE difference in elevation is an accurate comparison. Maybe you should have a high school physics student explain it to you.

I want you to put a larger turbo on your car without building the block. I double dog dare ya!

Want to know what's really sad? A car with a factory turbo needs a FULL ENGINE BUILD to upgrade the turbo, but a car designed for NA can run a GT30 to 450+ whp on a stock block with no meth.

Seriously, WTF?

California is the last place to find Hondas to race against. The mod police will ticket you for having a so much as a CBE, so, no, wherever in socal you call your stomping grounds is not, in fact, where you are going to find the fastest Civics.

You can find Civics beating and being beaten by all kinds of cars everywhere. It doesn't change the fact that they are a highly moddable, well balanced platform. Just because you beat some socal ricer kid in a 10yr old stock civic with 200k miles does not mean all Hondas suck.


Lol at the Viper getting juked by an EJ.

Could you please address the other measures of performance I mentioned instead of dancing around them and explain how your Civic (stock v stock or moded v moded) is better in any of those categories.

Mod Police? Apparently you've never been in Southern California...I'm sorry but in this instance you honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

Read the thread. My argument was this: A bolt on civic (i/h/e) is faster than a stock MS3. It is also faster than an MS3 with an intake (both comparisons measured by 1/4 times). Honestly, I wouldn't consider the MS3 reliable with anything more than an intake, or anything less than a built engine. Conclusion: Dollar for dollar, the Civic is faster. Further, the Civic responds better to mods (including FI).

Now, if you want to change the argument, fine, but don't accuse me of dancing around anything because I don't argue your arbitrary point(s) that I never asserted.

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shut your mouth faggot

wow... those times are like the speed times, fail...

29seconds in the first video i swear i see epic beard man!!

Holly shit! You really think a Civic SI with just: I/H/E is faster than a MS3?? WTF are you smoking? Really? Those mods bump up the SI's power to maybe 200whp (at the very most) which isn't nearly enough to take an MS3. Oh and quicker than one with an intake as well? LOL!

The Civic responds better to modifications?? Since when does a fucking Civic gain 15-20hp with a $150.00 intake?? Or around 20-25 with a DP?? We got MS3 running 13.3@108 with just an intake and AP for crying out loud!

An SI by comparison would need THOUSANDS in bolt-on modifications / tune / weight reduction / slicks / drags you name it to run a time like that! Yeah you’re delusional buddy.

Now if you want to talk about power much more than 350whp I could give a shit because this is a FWD platform and you can make virtually any POS civic to be fast down the ¼ mile.

Ever notice how the Civic SI is never brought up in sport compact comparison test anymore? Yeah that’s because it’s been severely out down; you’re crazy if you think just an extra 20hp is all it takes to turn that around! That car is balls slow, I’ve owned one and I know for a fact a freakin i/h/e isn’t enough to match the MS3.

and also there are fully bolted ms3's still running 13's and 14's:Eyecrazy: shit is crazy huh? please dont bring out the auto trend pages on me or any other mags out, gets old.

What are you running, 7psi? lol

Oh, and how long have you had it bolted on? A week? You better have the tow truck on speed dial. HAHA!

You keep citing that MS3 that ran 13.3@108 with just an intake & an AP. Post a link, FFS. The only way an MS3 is gonna come close to 13.3 with those mods is on slicks and on a downhill track.

I'm in the process of talking to a MOD...my friend and having you banned.

ppl like you don't belong here and when faggots lke you don't get the hint and leave you must be dealt with.

you know shit about cars, if you did know anything you would have NEVER sold your speed for a civic.

I don't give a fuck blabber all you want...you will be banned soon, lucky for you i'm not a mod cause you woulda been banned a week ago.

GTFO and go to a fuckin civic forum already.

Keep it up suxxx, this is providing some quality entertainment over on the civic forums. :)

What's wrong? Is this the first time you've had a disagreement on the internet?

I will say it again, I made no claim my car was faster than this or that. You claimed that your car was faster than a stock MS3. :lame:

To that I say PROVE IT!!!

You must be too dumb to realize that altitude can be taken into consideration when looking at 1/4 mile times. Also, on the physics topic, you are clearly no scholar either. If you were you would realize that altitude does not have nearly as much of an impact on FI cars. It will take slightly longer to hit max boost (doesn't take long to get there and stay there), but at that point the power level will be exactly the same as sea level.

You made claims you obviously cannot back up. You can try to talk down to me if that makes you feel better (although it sucks to talk down to someone only to have them point out flaws in your "expert" analysis). It doesn't change the fact that you have posted here to start a fight you can't win. It is clear that you only posted so that you could have something to talk about on your honda board, so go back there and have fun.

intake/header/exhaust/throttlebody/ flashpro tuned without dyno guessing.

http://pics.fullavit.com/si/si_bolt_on_dyno.jpg

Green line. Red line is his friend whom he dyno tuned.

This is for those that think the car is 200 whp with bolt-ons and a tune for some reason...

This is not a high reading dyno. rx8's dyno 180-190 whp there, and stock rsx's dyno 170's there.

*edit* fuck he deleted it off his server.

It was 230 whp.

Ok, then find a stock MS3 to 1/4 here in SLC as a baseline, then. WTF do you want me to do, exactly, buy an MS3 to run myself at the local track? I have owned and driven both, I think I know which is faster. If you don't believe me, then that is not exactly my problem.

230whp is completely doable with that set up. Good luck getting the Mazda fanbois here to believe you tho, even if you post a dyno AND vid.

^^^ wanna race my wifes cobalt? We run 11's full bolt ons and interior. No I wish but it's a 2.2ecotech motor. Wanna race? Or I can get a video of me driving my brother n laws 08civic and her in the slobalt. Fuck Mazda and fuck Honda. U haz vtak it goes from loud to super fucking annoying loud. Wooooommm WOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM oh shit nukka I hit vtak! Ain't nothing like driving a 190Crank hp car and getting stupid tq steer huh? Vtak ftmfw!!!

V8 power.

Na no slicks dude. Now please stop this madness!

2008 Mazda 3 Mazdaspeed3 Grand Touring 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...G_1391-1-1.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...amesMS3109.jpg

Here are some vids showing what my car looked like at the track that night. Note in the 3rd video the Si is wearing the slicks that sadly don't fit my car. :( They clear the caliper by like a mm but the lugs won't tighten, and there are bad creaky sounds when driving. The 3rd vid of my good friend Ryyiann's Si, and a few other Si's isn't too bad...my amerature skillz...but it's kinda funny if u listen lol. That night he had Vibrant catted header and exhaust, motor mounts, Injen sri, hoosier slicks on rsx type s rims, cf hood (running in the 14s, so he bought a flashpro and a comptech s/c); I think the blue sedan has just flashpro intake and exhaust- I think he was running about 14.0. The 12.9 is great man, but that dude has got mad work done...which is phat but I'm just saying...

man... The tuner base for mazdas is wack. @badams... I'm with you buddy. We need more name calling, bench racing and curse words.

Why the hate?

How is bolt-ons cams and a final drive change "mad work"

Know what his weight reduction was?

He took out some shit he had in his trunk, then the spare, and finally his passenger seat.

spare + passenger seat = 100 lbs.

Sure he's not just tuning the car, and putting a downpipe and an intake on it. N/A doesn't have the luxury of making it's own atmosphere.

That Civic 12.9 had a lot of bolt-ons / tune / weight reduction / and slicks.

An MS3 could run the same time with just an intake/ tune / slicks.

You spend a lot less on the MS3 for a similar result not to mention you have this wonderful thing called TORQUE.

There's no comparison: MS3 > SI

Do you smoke crack?

ah, the torque arguement. apparently you think our cars just have zero torque or something.

Look at that dyno i posted... 175 ft lbs out of a bolt-on tune. Cammed guys make 180-190.

I rode in my buddies cp-e downpipe and intake MS3. I love the torque. It's nice to have. for passing in 6th gear, not for being fast.

First of all, it would be nice if that slip was readable. Second, I am sure the 13.7 i/h/e Civic could have done .3 better tuned for what is essentially race gas, as well.

13.73 @ 102.08 all motor

Steven is that you? What's up bro? This is John! lol

For anyone who doubts what cams can do for this car, btw.

http://www.accesstuners.com/sites/de...s/IMAG0137.jpg

Summary: You spend ~2000.00 dollars, make sure you have less than 2gal of fuel in the tank and remove the passenger seat / spare to run a comparable 1/4 time vs. a stock MS3. Oh and you still have ½ the torque. Sorry I don't consider that a better "performance value" by a long shot. You can achieve A LOT more with the MS3 to begin with and then invest ~2000.00 in it.

No, stock MS3 is slower. And you don't need to remove the seats. In fact, I bet I could beat your MS3 if I had your fat mom riding shotgun.

A stock MS3 is slower? lol (Go back to the 17-19yr olds on the 8th Gen forum, you aren't fooling anyone here)

Dude, you're lost in lala land. This is highly apparent. Your Civic is slow as fuck and has shit for torque.

The end.

P.S. In your defense I suppose I would be pretty frustrated my self. You know, trading in a vastly better performing vehicle for a 15sec torque less wonder. Keep telling yourself that an intake/ exhaust / headers SI is quicker than a stock MS3 if it makes you feel better though.

I hate to tell you this champ, but the only thing all that torque is doing for you is bending rods.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ng-rods-33010/

Yeah bro it's me what's up. I've seen you on these forums before :D

I saw you posting in that thread ryan made when the dude blew his ep3 si up trying to race him rofl.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...IMG_1391-1.jpg

93 oct. plus octane booster (which raises the octane 1 octane point) is not race gas; and it is a out of the box tune for 93 octane. Why don't you pm my friend ryyiann on here, and ask him if his Si didn't get shat on by my ms3 when it had i/h/e/TUNE?? You're an idiot.

JNR5005, it's also funny how he keeps leaving the $700.00 TUNE out of the equation saying it’s just the "intake/ headers/ exhaust". This is roughly 2k in after market shit just to keep pace with a stock MS3 in the 1/4 mile.

True. Ryyiann spent wayy more than that actually. What's this dude's deal? Your living in a dream world in which u smoke Ms3s lol.

Are you all for real with this shit???? LMAO i cant believe all the crap im reading.... congrats to all of you that participated in turning the thread into some baby bull shit... ps nice civic man, i can respect any1 that mods there car and enjoys what there doing... thats the point. GROW UP!!! I think you all need to spend some more times driving your cars instead on sitting on the computer talkin shit. HAHA im a rooooookie on this forum and i already see myself not spending to much time on this shit... im ms3 all the way but i love all cars

This motor hasn't been touched internally, isn't being sprayed and isn't boosted.

Just accept that it's impressive.

Wow, are you for real? I can't believe you just wasted your time typing a bunch of irrelevant bullshit! This discussion has nothing to do with "not loving all cars" or "talking shit" num nuts. We're separating the facts from the bullshit and a 12.9 with so many modifications / weight reduction/ slicks, etc just isn't very impressive. I think you should spend less time mouthing off being a total douche and more time improving your grammar / spelling, etc.

No, it's "impressive" to YOU and other noobs. It's not "impressive" to me, at all.

If you want praise and admiration I suggest you stick with the CIVIC FORUMS because you aren't fooling anyone here buddy. Civic SI's aren't very impressive, suck it up.

12 seconds doesnt impress me, I dont need to defend the ms3. 12 secs is not fast territory in my eyes.

Yeah, especially when you need THOUSANDS in hard parts / tune/ weight reduction / slicks and 1 gal of gas in the tank, lol!!

Who the fuck do this ppl think they're kidding? I mean really wtf over!

LMAO @ u dude.... ur life is an epic fail. I bet your just some fat kid that sits on the comp all day and talks shit. Its people like you that make websites like this suck. Sorry i dont sit on the comp all day typing my heart out like you. ITS A FORUM U LITTLE BITCH GET OVER IT SORRY IF I DONT SPELL LIKE AN A STUDENT, I can promise u that i make more money then you ever will and so the fact that my online grammer sucks couldnt matter one bit 2 me. you are basiclly a socal retard because all i ever see you do on this forum is cry and talk shit. U shouldve been swallowed....

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