That's not the point NUM NUTZ. Any car can be quicker if you throw enough $$$$ at it. That's NOT the point.

The point is this: You get far greater performance with the MS3 for the same cost and spend even LESS making it quicker. Not to mention you get this wonderful thing called TORQUE!

Negative. I raced a member on here, that knows exactly how to drive, and i pulled half a car to a car on him... Every time.

^guarantee he can't drive.

He ran a 14.0 @ 101 stock. with a 2.3 60 ft. He knows how to drive the car, just wasn't hooking up too well.

Yep and they'll still have to down shift a thousands times to pass that soccer mom in the mini van. Meanwhile the MS3 just needs a gentle nudge on the throttle and it's blowing by like no ones business. That's the beauty of this thing called: TORQUE. They wouldn’t know anything about this driving a Civic.

We actually have plenty of torque for passing. but our 6th gear is incredibly tall. the top speed of 6th in this car is 200 mph. If 6th gear was more like the rsx's...

Then he cannot drive. Absolutley should have trapped higher then if he was spinning and still did 14.0.

NUM NUTZ? What the hell?

I think people are talking about two different things. Of course an all motor car is going to cost somewhat more money then a turbo car to go faster. Some people call this "a challenge". Same reason why some people only run at the track with there "street trim". It's kind of like bragging rights (run how you would run on the street type stuff)

Putting a bigger turbo on a car with slicks and going fast has been done for ages. The fact that people get all bent out of shape over an all motor car going as fast as some modded turbo cars (that are still streetable) is silly, If it bothered you that much you shouldn't have posted in this thread.

You should have just invested a couple more bucks in your car so that "slow all motor hondas" can't touch you on the street/track/autox/gas mileage/parking lot :sombrero:

2.3 60 ft is not a lot of spinning. Only moderate.

Btw, the drag strip you listed there. Fast track. Come down here i bet you wouldn't run faster than 13.5-13.6 @ 104-105.

lol oh boy best ricer excuse ever "fast track". It's a NHRA track so I don't give a fuck. :)

Your time is not the norm.

reminds me of this guy... he spent 1k on his setup.... cold air, skunk2 exhaust and a cheap 300 dollar dc race header...

Udumkid Does it part II - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

13.5 @ 102 mph

I'm not reading through all of that. This point you are trying to make is also stupid. He has slicks no seats and all the bolt-ons.

Performance wise, an NA 4 banger will NEVER make the power a turbo'd 4 banger will, ever. And 108 mph trap speed is nothing, it's OK but nothing to brag about. N/A cars(unless 8 cylinders) do nothing for me. But props to the guy's driving skills, I doubt anyone else could pull those times in that car.

Canz i haz torque?! I needz more torques to be coool!

OK seriously, 214 posts in this thread, and it's the same old shit.

I have a 500+ hp Corvette, a ms3, and a 300hp del sol. You know which one is the most fun? The del sol! That's right, I said it.

Not saying the corvette isn't fun, it's just doesn't give the same rush as the little red coffin.

Fuck... 6 pages of the same arguments over and over....

I have to agree with most of what ms3077 has said. Being good 'for the platform' doesn't make it impressive to me.

YOU SHOULD BE BANNED! MS3 > any car evar

Or as is the case in this thread...

Civic > any car ever!!!

a civic cannot be a ms3 evar cuz it has no boosts

A civic cannot BE a MS3 because it is a civic. Likewise a MS3 cannot BE a civic.

crap i had a typo, was suppose to be "beat".

Too busy being upset I got called a "NUM NUTZ" on the interwebz :(

This thread should have died around page 1.

These threads don't even go well in the honda forums. Too many stubborn people with stubborn opinions. Same old shit, different day.

I wonder what I would get called if I trolled the Civic forums posting timeslips from MS3's and arguing which car is better for this or that.

This thread reminds me of an integra giving me a fly by in the left lane of a 25MPH area, even better that I was literally stopped in traffic waiting to turn right.

They would probably jump on your shit talking about how si's are the best thing since sliced bread.

More insult to injury:

13.1@103 w/ DP, I, and DR (no tune, no weight reduction and less than 1k in bolt-ons)

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...e-i-drs-24019/

Anyone can post a video of a civic doing the same thing, it's retarded.

That's about as impressive as the 12.9 8th gen civic.

The all motor car still trapped higher... DR/Slicks.

The guy in that thread?

he has drag radials. Far from a slick...

Is there anyone that even posted in this thread that beat this time? yet is talking shit about it?

But a Civic can't do the same with those few mods I think that was his point.

Oh well he is here right now- where are your times at woot? Doubt they are 13.9 slips like a stock Ms3 can do. But if they are than good for you- you would still get beat from a roll.


"...drag radials. Far from a slick... "

retarted statement^

I'm sure there are.

No, that's the point. The point is that the MS3 is A LOT faster stock and has a far better cost to performance ratio modified. The Civic SI needed a shit ton of bolt-ons / tune / weight reduction and slicks to barely break 13. That's FAR from the same thing.

btw a Ms3 did 12.9@106 I believe w/ just intake/mm/drs.

Woot didn't say bye? Must be going to get his slips.

The only retarDed statement here is that last line...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/859/img0309n.jpg

That was with a tune that wasn't even ideal lol. I got the tune down now.

lol did u write those numbers on there? Should have wrote 10.80 @ 155. Then copy and paste it onto a billboard. Seriously though; congradulations. You are the world's smartest retart

yeah i wrote the numbers because otherwise you can't read the fucking thing.

Haha, owned. He can't spell retarded but he is insulting your intelligence. What a dumb ass.

lol u Honda fanboys are such player haters buy a turbo

You want to talk about adding insult to injury? The fact that as soon as you add the DP you have to build your POS engine if you want any piece of mind that it won't blow. Since you are so concerned with how much it costs to mod a Honda, that's at least another $5k parts & labor right there.

Why? We're already faster than you without one.

turbo honda > any mazdaspeed3.

If I didn't have to worry about it getting stolen I'd still have one.

Let's not forget that the guy that is this subject of this thread is an N/A head. He could've gone turbo for this price and would currently be trapping 112-120 mph in the 1/4 mile running 11's...

Yet he chose to go the route less traveled for a fast time.

PS: without meth, without race gas, without e85, without building the motor.