N/A 8th Civic 12.9@107

[badams118]

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx it's called DI you dumb faggot...ace and hondas ecu is a joke to crack, my mother could crack that ecu while eating her gf's vag out. you have no idea...you havnt read enough to know shit.

You act like this is the first engine ever to use DI. And that still doesn't explain the massive failure rate with basic bolt-ons .... ace.

haha, you make it sound like such a bad thing that Hondas are easy to tune. Thank fucking god I dumped my MS3. I honestly feel sorry for all the people who stayed loyal only to get corn holed when the car threw a rod & Mazda told them to go fuck a porcupine.

[peez]

Originally Posted by badams118 haha, you make it sound like such a bad thing that Hondas are easy to tune.

LOL mad l33t ecu hax0rs = bettar car y0

[Jujiro_Prodigy_31]

one reason y si's have such bad quarter mile times is because the transmissions are bad. a buddy of mine has an '07 si, he's always complaining about the gears grinding so bad. i experienced it first hand. i drove it and i nearly had to raise my leg and kick-jam the thing into third. took so long to get into 3rd i almost dropped out of vtec - and i wound out second! he grinds so bad in second and third its not even funny. everytime he races me, after i beat him (which is every time), i get a text or call about how bad some gear grinds.

2009 Civic Si Transmission Problems - 8th Generation Honda Civic Forum

[badams118]

A lot of the early years had problems getting into third when the engine was cold. There has been a TSB to fix it. Mine is an 09, and shifts better than my MS3 did.

Even if it were a problem, I would gladly take trouble getting into 3rd when the car is cold over a hole in the block.

[kilik2]

dude, why do you sit on here and keep ragging to MAZDASPEED OWNERS about how their motor is going to blow? No one wants to hear that shit, you are quickly becoming ladouche. Nice, your buddy or whoever the fuck he is ran a good time. Stop replying to the flamers about how your car is superior to an ms3 its getting old.

[batou079]

my favorite is his last line...
comparing cold shift into 3rd in an Si, to MS3 blowing engines.

lol, that is a totally legit comparison!! buahahahhaha, this thread makes me giggle.

[Jujiro_Prodigy_31]

Originally Posted by kilik2 dude, why do you sit on here and keep ragging to MAZDASPEED OWNERS about how their motor is going to blow? No one wants to hear that shit, you are quickly becoming ladouche. Nice, your buddy or whoever the fuck he is ran a good time. Stop replying to the flamers about how your car is superior to an ms3 its getting old.

u r right kilik, it is getting old. also, badams, turbo is where its at, n/a = suxor. besides, i know plenty of honda guys that blew their engines when they started playing with turbos. turbo was a funny little invention that is hard to get just right. there is always that degree of uncertainty as a result of the nature of the beast. you cannot allow for every scenario. especially when u r designing a car for a client base who usually have a budget to think of.

however, the si is not superior to the ms3. it is in fact, the other way around. mazda did not design this car to be heavily modded. they designed it to be quick, turbo, great handling, straight from the factory. on these terms it beats out all other cars in its class, including the si. truth be told, with just a few relatively safe and inexpensive mods it can even keep up with stock evo's and sti's. the ms3 is a phenomenal little car all things considered. who knows, maybe in a few more generations some of the kinks will be worked out and the engine may become a lot more resistant to abuse, we are currently only on the 2nd. fact of the matter is that honda is not keeping pace. once again, the professional critics agree on these facts. badams, u, sir, r anything but a professional critic. so, yeah, leave the forum. go join you a honda forum somewhere so u can have conversations with 16 & 17 year olds until your heart is content...

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[badams118]

I'm sure gonna stop posting in this thread because a lot of sandy vags whine about it. Yesiree!

Anywho, if you want boost, the K20 is a better engine for it than the MZR. I know it sucks that a factory turbo can't handle boost as well as an engine designed for NA, but that is the sad state of affairs for MS3 owners.

Once again, don't hate the player, hate the game!

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by badams118 I'm sure gonna stop posting in this thread because a lot of sandy vags whine about it. Yesiree! Anywho, if you want boost, the K20 is a better engine for it than the MZR. I know it sucks that a factory turbo can't handle boost as well as an engine designed for NA, but that is the sad state of affairs for MS3 owners. Once again, don't hate the player, hate the game!

pce out faggot..

we dont want you here.....

[TurboColtGT]

you cant argue with stupid people they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience

[badams118]

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx pce out faggot.. we dont want you here.....

Look, there is no reason to get your panties all in a wad. It's not your fault that the MS3 has such substantial limitations & reliability issues. You won't find anyone more sympathetic to that fact than myself. Bashing the accomplishments of Hondas isn't going to make your car run any better, though.

Be smart & trade your Mazda in while you still have rods inside your block. Get an Aveo, for all I care, but don't let bitterness make you keep the time bomb on wheels too long.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tonight-51332/

[SpeedSixxx]

lol....

ya know mods like haltech, and others don't like the constant bashing of our superior car..

I hope one of em reads your posts and perma bans your faggot ass.

you are full of speculation and nothing else.

you have no idea why SOME ppl have blown their motor....no theory like some.
just keep your mouth shut and move on.

why stay on our great forum if you want to do nothing but bash our superior car.

have fun with your VtAK bitch

[badams118]

Every time VTAK kiks in, an MS3 throws a rod.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by badams118 Every time VTAK kiks in, an MS3 throws a rod.

read my name faggot ...I have a speed 6 not 3

if you are gonna stick around these parts please keep us updated on your POS honda and let us know when ur tranny falls out or you blow your motor.

[badams118]

Yeah, because AWD is gonna save your motor. rofl!

The Honda is running awesome, tbh, it's nice putting the sun roof up now that it is getting warm. Getting 35mpg while knowing I am faster than my MS3 was stock is just icing on the cake.

[batou079]

just stop to let a little common sense sink in.
the actual ratio of speed owners versus blown motors is actually really low.

the reason anyone would feel it is common is because THOSE are the people that post!
Forums are about 80-90% or more, consisting of people posting about PROBLEMS, not posting about how great their car is running. of total speed owners, i bet only about 25% of those owners are actually on international forums...

unless a company or magazine starts to create a census to determine what % of speed owners have blown engines, we have almost zero factual data to assume it is a common problem. as harsh as some people are saying it badams, it is true when they say you are full of speculation... hell we cant really know for sure ourselves in that regard...

in terms of SI vs MS3... stupid debate. too many deadhorses to count.
specially on a forum tahts geared towards one side already, all it is, is baiting/trolling at that point.

silly thread is silly.

[badams118]

If course no one knows the exact ratio, but seriously, how many other forums have had even close to this many engine failures reported? At least the WRX problems were covered & fixed.

[batou079]

no idea, but i dont sit on other car forums all day to know this... do you?
just curious.

i have friends with both STi and EVOs they tell me of new blown engine stories from the forums all the time... but im not gonna claim that this means they blow up all the time. you seem to sit on this forum all day, so ofc you are gonna see blown engine stories here more often.

idk, just common sense i guess?

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by batou079 no idea, but i dont sit on other car forums all day to know this... do you? just curious. i have friends with both STi and EVOs they tell me of new blown engine stories from the forums all the time... but im not gonna claim that this means they blow up all the time. you seem to sit on this forum all day, so ofc you are gonna see blown engine stories here more often. idk, just common sense i guess?

i like you, good member you are.

now donate.

[ms3077]

You must have had one turd of an MS3 if your SI is actually faster. Even if you're running Cobb's highest "stage 2" tune for the SI which is +14.6%hp or 200 WHP (est.) over stock, still no chance. Your SI isn’t faster than an MS3, period

[dizzin9]

that Si mayne, is so fresh. you gotta love that 100fwhp and 50lb-ft tq @ 1,000,000 rpms especially when that vtak kicks in *rawrrraraawrrrrrrmeowomgwahhhhhh*! :teehee:

it's over fellas just look at my vtak sticker from the side baby! hondah, numbah wan!!!

[Jujiro_Prodigy_31]

Originally Posted by batou079 no idea, but i dont sit on other car forums all day to know this... do you? just curious. i have friends with both STi and EVOs they tell me of new blown engine stories from the forums all the time... but im not gonna claim that this means they blow up all the time. you seem to sit on this forum all day, so ofc you are gonna see blown engine stories here more often. idk, just common sense i guess?

guys, guys, i figured out! badams is so depressed about owning a civic he realized the only relief to his sad state was to get on msf and flame mazdas! y else would he be here going back to the same old cutdown everytime?

its ok, badams if i owned a civic si i would be depressed, too.

all those mods on his cute little car and you notice he had to qualify his earlier statement:

Getting 35mpg while knowing I am faster than my MS3 was stock

lol, it took 2 or 3 grand but u did it, or did u?. we will still pull on u once u shift into third and grind b/c ur trans is a pos.

which means, u need to mod harder and faster badams, like a good little ricer. lol, u will probably be the next kid at the drag strip who blows his little civic's turbo and/or motor on the line during the rev up, claiming, "i WAS faster than the ms3!", til this blew or that went out or whatever. ur just like all the others, i see 'em all the time. just another honda civic lover thinkin' he's got something to prove b/c his car is so lame.

tbh, i am glad u sold ur mazda for a civic. ur in something that fits u a lot better now. u never deserved a car as nice as an ms3 to begin with.

keep it up kid, the more you post the more ammunition you give us...

[badams118]

You can do ricer math all you like, but track times are the only real test. You already know this, it is just inconvenient to believe it in the case of a Civic.

As far as the tranny issues go, there probably was a bad batch back in the 06s, and now every scrub who doesn't know how to drive a manual blames the tranny.

YouTube - 500whp Civic Si sedan, Secret Services Auto.... k20z3 stock block

YouTube - 500whp Civic Si sedan, Secret Services Auto.... k20z3 stock block

Lol, it shouldn't be this easy!

[badams118]

Originally Posted by batou079 no idea, but i dont sit on other car forums all day to know this... do you? just curious. i have friends with both STi and EVOs they tell me of new blown engine stories from the forums all the time... but im not gonna claim that this means they blow up all the time. you seem to sit on this forum all day, so ofc you are gonna see blown engine stories here more often. idk, just common sense i guess?

I don't browse car forums all day, but I did do some pretty extensive research when I bought the Civic. The only other similar issue was with the WRXs, which was a bad batch of bearings.

[letzleta]

Speaking of track times, what is your Civic (that is faster than a stock MS3) running in the 1/4?

Please post slips. I may have to trade my car in if an N/A civic with bolt-ons is faster.

[yearzero]

agreed. i want to see YOUR slips.

[peez]

The Honda transmission is the best manual transmission ever. End of story.

Most of all REAL Honda tuners can drive, while only a handful of the Mazda owners can actually pull a good 60 foot.

[letzleta]

Originally Posted by peez The Honda transmission is the best manual transmission ever. End of story. Most of all REAL Honda tuners can drive, while only a handful of the Mazda owners can actually pull a good 60 foot.

So you are comparing Honda tuners specifically, to ALL Mazda owners???

I think a better comparison would be All Honda owners to All Mazda owners, or Honda tuners to Mazda tuners. In either case, I am sure there is little to no difference.

But yes, if you want to say Honda tuners in general can pull better 60's than Mazda owners in general, then you are probably right. I also bet 75% of Mazda owners have never been to the track and bet 100% of honda tuners have been to the track.

[peez]

Originally Posted by letzleta So you are comparing Honda tuners specifically, to ALL Mazda owners??? I think a better comparison would be All Honda owners to All Mazda owners, or Honda tuners to Mazda tuners. In either case, I am sure there is little to no difference. But yes, if you want to say Honda tuners in general can pull better 60's than Mazda owners in general, then you are probably right. I also bet 75% of Mazda owners have never been to the track and bet 100% of honda tuners have been to the track.

You're correct, didn't mean all Mazda owners. Me and you share the same view.

[letzleta]

Taking that into consideration, I wonder what a Honda tuner would think running a MS3 down the track.

"Holy crap, this is what torque feels like!!"

[peez]

Originally Posted by letzleta Taking that into consideration, I wonder what a Honda tuner would think running a MS3 down the track. "Holy crap, this is what torque feels like!!"

I was/am a Honda head (swapped, boosted, etc) so I can field your question.

The Mazda doesn't pull "as hard" as the Honda "feels". I feel that the Honda pulls harder to red line, relatively speaking than the Mazda. I feel that once the Mazda hits it peak boost, you lose that "pinned to the seat" feeling. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the stock speed3 isn't faster than a stock Honda (SI or S2000). When a Honda reaches its higher RPMs, it actually PULLS the entire range.

I think Mazda should have been putting a larger turbo on these cars in the beginning and de-tuning it. Coming up on the red line on this car and feeling it slow down blows.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by letzleta Speaking of track times, what is your Civic (that is faster than a stock MS3) running in the 1/4? Please post slips. I may have to trade my car in if an N/A civic with bolt-ons is faster.

I will happily do that as soon as you come to SLC & post your 1/4 at 4500 ASL.

[badams118]

Originally Posted by peez I was/am a Honda head (swapped, boosted, etc) so I can field your question. The Mazda doesn't pull "as hard" as the Honda "feels". I feel that the Honda pulls harder to red line, relatively speaking than the Mazda. I feel that once the Mazda hits it peak boost, you lose that "pinned to the seat" feeling. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the stock speed3 isn't faster than a stock Honda (SI or S2000). When a Honda reaches its higher RPMs, it actually PULLS the entire range. I think Mazda should have been putting a larger turbo on these cars in the beginning and de-tuning it. Coming up on the red line on this car and feeling it slow down blows.

That's a good point. There is nothing like having power all the way up to an 8500rpm red line. The MS3 may feel faster because of the boost spike at 3k, but by 6k the party is over..

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by badams118 That's a good point. There is nothing like having power all the way up to a 8500rpm red line. The MS3 can feel faster because of the boost spike at 3k, but by 6k the party is over..

your talking stock for stock.....

does your SI rev to 8500?

anything bigger then this POS k04 pulls hard to redline 7200........

[badams118]

I have red line set at 8.5k. That is typical for OTS maps, as well. The only way you will have power to red line is to upgrade your turbo. That also means building your engine/meth/clutch/fuel pump/etc.

[letzleta]

Originally Posted by peez I was/am a Honda head (swapped, boosted, etc) so I can field your question. The Mazda doesn't pull "as hard" as the Honda "feels". I feel that the Honda pulls harder to red line, relatively speaking than the Mazda. I feel that once the Mazda hits it peak boost, you lose that "pinned to the seat" feeling. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the stock speed3 isn't faster than a stock Honda (SI or S2000). When a Honda reaches its higher RPMs, it actually PULLS the entire range. I think Mazda should have been putting a larger turbo on these cars in the beginning and de-tuning it. Coming up on the red line on this car and feeling it slow down blows.

I agree the car "runs out of steam". I was simply talking about torque, which the Honda does not have. You mash the gas while crusing at 3000RPM in both and they are totally different. I understand the "feeling" you are talking about (had an older accord for a short time). I had a cbr 600 that has a similar power delivery, little low end power but a lot up top. My current motorcycle redlines at 14000RPM, it pulls hard all the way up, but the power is much more useable. I would rather not have to be hitting redline to make power. It really just comes down to what you prefer. I want some torque with my horsepower!

I will step down now. I don't hate Honda either, I would own one, even another motorcycle. Just giving my opinion.

[letzleta]

Originally Posted by badams118 I will happily do that as soon as you come to SLC & post your 1/4 at 4500 ASL.

You made the claim, I don't have anything to prove.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by badams118 I have red line set at 8.5k. That is typical for OTS maps, as well. The only way you will have power to red line is to upgrade your turbo. That also means building your engine/meth/clutch/fuel pump/etc.

wrong tard.

a BT doesnt mean you have to build or add a clutch..grow the fuck up and learn a little.

[PiKA West]

<------Has never been beaten by a Civic in my Speed3 or Miata for that matter and I've lived in the top 2 honda ricer capitals of CA (Los Angeles and Oceanside).

1/4 mile is not the end all be all of performance. Even if I grant you the fact that the Civic beats the Speed3 in 1/4 mile there are still other things to consider:

Top Speed
Track Time at Laguna Seca
AutoX Times
Races from a roll
Slalom Course Times
Everything other than just 1/4 mile times

If you still think the Honda would win in basically ANY of those situations then you live in a magical fairy land and I would love to buy drugs from you because you must be on some good shit sir.

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by PiKA West <------Has never been beaten by a Civic in my Speed3 or Miata for that matter and I've lived in the top 2 honda ricer capitals of CA (Los Angeles and Oceanside). 1/4 mile is not the end all be all of performance. Even if I grant you the fact that the Civic beats the Speed3 in 1/4 mile there are still other things to consider: Top Speed Track Time at Laguna Seca AutoX Times Races from a roll Slalom Course Times Everything other than just 1/4 mile times If you still think the Honda would win in basically ANY of those situations then you live in a magical fairy land and I would love to buy drugs from you because you must be on some good shit sir.

PIKA is da man nukkka

tell that faggot whats good!