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sleeper3 04-12-2008 09:26 AM

well, the results are in
 
intake intercooler and motormount

13.57 @ 104ish

I'll scan the time slip on monday


feel free to congratulate/bow before me.

sleeper3 04-12-2008 09:45 AM

oh I did not realize I had the slip here, I thought I left it in my car... here is the rest of the stuff:

rt: .076
60': 2.210
330': 5.882
1/8: 8.847@82.91
1000: 11.404
1/4: 13.574@104.01

I was pretty danged happy with this run, although I think I could drop it another tenth. still getting a lot of wheel hop. I'm thinking about switching to the TRZ tranny mount and seeing if it is slightly stiffer than my streetunit mount. I think it would help a bit.

sleeper3 04-12-2008 09:54 AM

also, on a more pissed off note, I took my spare out, and the foam surround and laid them by the staging area and someone broke the foam piece. it was just sitting there. no way it would have broken on it's own. I am kind of pissed.

by the way, if any of you are wondering about the quicker time and the 1mph higher trap speed, the only difference is I had my tires at 30psi and I took the spare and all the tools out.

SLS MS3 04-12-2008 11:37 AM

Good run, you're getting better and better. Still need to work on the launch a little more. I'm just fortunate enough to be close to one of the faster tracks in the country when they decide to prep it right.

sleeper3 04-12-2008 12:55 PM

told you I was going to beat those times!

like I said, I think I can get my 60' down another tenth if I figure out exactly how to launch. I'm getting there. 4 tenths is no joke though!

sleeper3 04-12-2008 12:56 PM

also, the 3 is officially faster than the Z was. fastest car I've ever owned!

aaronc7 04-12-2008 01:07 PM

nice times!!! If you decide to go with the TRZ and want to sell the SU mount let me know I'd be interested in buying it!

sleeper3 04-14-2008 05:48 AM

if I decide to do all that, I'll definitely be making a FS thread on this forum.


in other news, of course I have forgotten to bring my slip to work today to scan it. oh well, I'll get it tomorrow.

Darksun280 04-21-2008 02:23 PM

nice work

sleeper3 04-21-2008 02:24 PM

oh I forgot about this thread... the slip is posted in laloosh's quarter mile thread.

gsrtype1 04-21-2008 03:06 PM

again...no slip. do you have any exhuast mods?

digitaljedi 04-21-2008 03:15 PM

He doesn't. Decent launch, but I still think the car is capable of a 2.1 60'. I am almost positive I could get a 2.1' sixty. That could put you at about 13.4 flat. Then if you go the route we are talking about in the other thread (test pipe, manifold, downpipe) you would definately be in the 12.8 range.

gsrtype1 04-21-2008 03:19 PM

i did see "finally.." his other slip so he prob telling the truth. yeah man if he had dp,mp and some drag slicks mid 12's easy

digitaljedi 04-21-2008 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 (Post 20781)
i did see "finally.." his other slip so he prob telling the truth. yeah man if he had dp,mp and some drag slicks mid 12's easy

Don't forget turbo manifold. I actually think you could run a 12.6 with my mod route the more I think about it. And not on slicks, on DR's.

gsrtype1 04-21-2008 03:34 PM

yep!! man whos gonna be the first in the 11second club?

digitaljedi 04-21-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 (Post 20790)
yep!! man whos gonna be the first in the 11second club?

A lot of us once ptp releases the big wheel turbo. His big wheel turbos do wonders on the srt4. And fuel is still an issue. I know the pump is figured out, but there are a lot more problems with the fuel system than just the pump, like the little nossle with a whole in it the size of a needle. I think ptp is going to sort of let us in on how to fix that ourselves, and he will probably sell them also. But I wouldnt be suprised to see big wheelers running 400whp with all supporting bolt ons and fuel upgrades, then 11's will be easy money, seeing as how loosh ran a 12.9 or whatever with almost no mods, just like intake, test pipe, boost controller and fuel pump. He has something like 300whp, another 100whp will easily put us in the 11's, especially on slicks, probably mid 11's on slicks. Then we will find out how well this tranny is made, and the clutch. Our driveline just doesnt fill as unbreakable as the srt4, that thing feels really solid throughout the driveline, but I guess it has too when the factory sells stage kits that put you in the mid 11's. The srt team built that car with the idea of making 450whp on the stock block reliably, our car feels like it was just built with the idea of putting bolt ons on it and making 310whp or so. I'll be there by the end of the summer, once I finish building my 240sx, still need to get a ball bearing turbo so I can compete once I get my competition license next year. I may actually do the manifold and dp before I do anything else to the 240sx, I have spent about 3k on it in the past five months. I just got an intake for the ms3 from driver311, and if they power doesn't blow me away I am definately getting a downpipe by the end of next month.

sleeper3 04-21-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitaljedi (Post 20779)
He doesn't. Decent launch, but I still think the car is capable of a 2.1 60'. I am almost positive I could get a 2.1' sixty. That could put you at about 13.4 flat. Then if you go the route we are talking about in the other thread (test pipe, manifold, downpipe) you would definately be in the 12.8 range.

I agree. I haven't hit a perfect launch, but when I do I think a 2.1 is possible... I'm thinking that translates to a 13.3 ET also, instead of a 13.4... pretty sick times for minor mods if I can do that.

sleeper3 04-21-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsrtype1 (Post 20781)
i did see "finally.." his other slip so he prob telling the truth. yeah man if he had dp,mp and some drag slicks mid 12's easy

I'll probably never put slicks on my car.

sleeper3 04-21-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitaljedi (Post 20784)
Don't forget turbo manifold. I actually think you could run a 12.6 with my mod route the more I think about it. And not on slicks, on DR's.

I'd put slicks on my car before I put drag radials. that's a waste of time in my opinion. I'm sticking 100% street tires and 12 seconds. I think I can do it.

digitaljedi 04-21-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper3 (Post 20807)
I'd put slicks on my car before I put drag radials. that's a waste of time in my opinion. I'm sticking 100% street tires and 12 seconds. I think I can do it.

How are dr's a waste of time? you won't get traction in this car at a certain point, and some dr's can even be driven for a good amount of time on the street, plus they will knock 3-4 tenths off your time. That, and you don't have a history of great 60' times.

sleeper3 04-22-2008 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitaljedi (Post 20809)
How are dr's a waste of time? you won't get traction in this car at a certain point, and some dr's can even be driven for a good amount of time on the street, plus they will knock 3-4 tenths off your time. That, and you don't have a history of great 60' times.

a history? I've only posted 2 slips. I've only been to the track twice in this car, and I've got the 4th fastest quarter mile time with less mods than most of the people on this board. where are your time slips?

drag radials are a waste of time because this is not a quarter mile car. this is a grocery getter with some power. why the hell would I put drag radials on it? if I want to have fun, I'll buy some wheels and put slicks on them and swap wheels at the track. I just don't care that much. This car definitely needs more meat than is on it from the factory, and it won't be long before I am buying tires. I'm not wasting my time with something that is "ok" on the street, and "ok" at the strip. I'd rather have street tires. plus, when I hit a 12 second run on street tires, no one will be able to say "oh it's just cause you had slicks."

phailerider 04-22-2008 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitaljedi (Post 20797)
A lot of us once ptp releases the big wheel turbo. His big wheel turbos do wonders on the srt4. And fuel is still an issue. I know the pump is figured out, but there are a lot more problems with the fuel system than just the pump, like the little nossle with a whole in it the size of a needle. I think ptp is going to sort of let us in on how to fix that ourselves, and he will probably sell them also. But I wouldnt be suprised to see big wheelers running 400whp with all supporting bolt ons and fuel upgrades, then 11's will be easy money, seeing as how loosh ran a 12.9 or whatever with almost no mods, just like intake, test pipe, boost controller and fuel pump. He has something like 300whp, another 100whp will easily put us in the 11's, especially on slicks, probably mid 11's on slicks. Then we will find out how well this tranny is made, and the clutch. Our driveline just doesnt fill as unbreakable as the srt4, that thing feels really solid throughout the driveline, but I guess it has too when the factory sells stage kits that put you in the mid 11's. The srt team built that car with the idea of making 450whp on the stock block reliably, our car feels like it was just built with the idea of putting bolt ons on it and making 310whp or so. I'll be there by the end of the summer, once I finish building my 240sx, still need to get a ball bearing turbo so I can compete once I get my competition license next year. I may actually do the manifold and dp before I do anything else to the 240sx, I have spent about 3k on it in the past five months. I just got an intake for the ms3 from driver311, and if they power doesn't blow me away I am definately getting a downpipe by the end of next month.

there is no way on gods green earth that a reworked stock turbo will put anybody into the 11's on street tires and give them 400 whp.

NYpest 04-22-2008 06:08 AM

slicks randy ? lol

phailerider 04-22-2008 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYpest (Post 20933)
slicks randy ? lol

reread that post..... the quote was 11's will be easy money..lol And mid 11's on slicks. Hes thinking 100 hp with a reworked stocker.

I picked up 65-70 whp with a gt3071, manifold, and inlet tuned....ATPs dyno had 293whp with dp, fmic, inlet, intake, bpv, and stock boost. Thats a bit of an elevated dyno if you ask me... but anyway... adding the gt3071 and taking boost to 18psi...they got 355-360whp. Thats 60-70whp with 3 more psi on a much bigger turbo.

How the hell is a reworked stocker gonna net 100whp. No way.....wishful thinking. My guess is the stocker gets 25-35.... 40+ would be VERY optimistic. And quite frankly, if it was 40+ Id question how long those numbers would last, before the turbo failed.

sleeper3 04-22-2008 06:30 AM

All I'm saying is that 12s are possible on street tires with basic bolt ons. I'll continue believing this until I finish basic bolt ons and I'm still in the 13s...

phailerider 04-22-2008 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleeper3 (Post 20940)
All I'm saying is that 12s are possible on street tires with basic bolt ons. I'll continue believing this until I finish basic bolt ons and I'm still in the 13s...

Laloosh got there on street tires... I agree. It will take some hella driving though. You have done well with your setup to be where your at so I dont doubt you in particular could do it.

my point earlier was that it will take a hell of alot more than just a reworked stock turbo to get a fully bolted car from 12.9 to 11.9. that post wasnt directed to you.

I wish you lived in NC... Id invite you to take a stab on mine... My driving grades out to a C-...lol

sleeper3 04-22-2008 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palerider (Post 20943)
Laloosh got there on street tires... I agree. It will take some hella driving though. You have done well with your setup to be where your at so I dont doubt you in particular could do it.

my point earlier was that it will take a hell of alot more than just a reworked stock turbo to get a fully bolted car from 12.9 to 11.9. that post wasnt directed to you.

I wish you lived in NC... Id invite you to take a stab on mine... My driving grades out to a C-...lol

I'm pretty sure he was messing with boost though. my goal is to do it without adding boost. I think with the manifold, downpipe and midpipe, I could be in the 12s... I might need some new tires first, but I think it's entirely possible on street rubber. your car would be much harder to launch, but I be you could easily be in the 12s with all the work you have done.

Laloosh 04-22-2008 05:52 PM

running 13.5 @ 104 and running 12.9 @ 111 is a huge difference. Ask slsms3 what he though about running 13.3 @ 103 and 13.7 @ 109. Running 12s on street tires on stock boost will be very very hard and not common at all. Traction will bite you in the ass as you make more power and your trap goes up. I ran that 12.9, but im willing to bet if i ran at the track right now it would take me a coupel of tries to hit it again. I ran it with a 2.01 60 foot time, its damn near impossible to get much lower than that on a street tire if a fwd car. I can see some1 hitting a 1.98-9 with alot of skill/luck. So in order to hi 12s ure going to need a 110 trap and a 2.0 60.....good luck lol

As for 11.9s LOL. If i bolt on slicks a manifold and a reworked turbo, i doubt it would happen. You would need to bang out a high 1.60 low low 1.70s and hope u trap 113-114 at least....once again good luck

Haltech 04-22-2008 06:04 PM

Street tires are for track wannabe's!! Get some damn slicks guys if youre going for et! I dont want to hear the excuse " i dont want to snap an axle ". than dont drag race!!! Geeez! :spankme:

Laloosh 04-22-2008 06:10 PM

slicks plus axles/engine falling out/ plus tow is not worht it for a stupid et on a daily driver. Ill stick to my street tires or maybe MAYBE 255 bfgs

Haltech 04-22-2008 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 21175)
slicks plus axles/engine falling out/ plus tow is not worht it for a stupid et on a daily driver. Ill stick to my street tires or maybe MAYBE 255 bfgs

You = Ric3r!!!:spankme:

Laloosh 04-22-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 21178)
You = Ric3r!!!:spankme:

:kabong:
its true....

phailerider 04-22-2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 21175)
slicks plus axles/engine falling out/ plus tow is not worht it for a stupid et on a daily driver. Ill stick to my street tires or maybe MAYBE 255 bfgs

I inspected my front tires today and wtf.... they are now drag radials!!! I cant for the life of me figure out how the hell they went from Kumho spts to DRs... but they sure as hell did!!!

Haltech 04-22-2008 06:33 PM

Khumo's are great tires for road racing, but horrible on the street. May want to look into Hancooks or something else like expensive ass Michelin's.

phailerider 04-22-2008 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 21189)
Khumo's are great tires for road racing, but horrible on the street. May want to look into Hancooks or something else like expensive ass Michelin's.

you mean for durability? i like them really... I need to rotate them... ive had them on 10,000 miles and I havent moved em. They were doing great up until the last month....lol

i want to blow em out really.... theyre 225/40's. I really want 235/40s or maybe 225/45s next. I havent decided.

sleeper3 04-23-2008 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 21168)
running 13.5 @ 104 and running 12.9 @ 111 is a huge difference. Ask slsms3 what he though about running 13.3 @ 103 and 13.7 @ 109. Running 12s on street tires on stock boost will be very very hard and not common at all. Traction will bite you in the ass as you make more power and your trap goes up. I ran that 12.9, but im willing to bet if i ran at the track right now it would take me a coupel of tries to hit it again. I ran it with a 2.01 60 foot time, its damn near impossible to get much lower than that on a street tire if a fwd car. I can see some1 hitting a 1.98-9 with alot of skill/luck. So in order to hi 12s ure going to need a 110 trap and a 2.0 60.....good luck lol

As for 11.9s LOL. If i bolt on slicks a manifold and a reworked turbo, i doubt it would happen. You would need to bang out a high 1.60 low low 1.70s and hope u trap 113-114 at least....once again good luck

All I'm saying is that I think I can do it. Laugh all you want.

sleeper3 04-23-2008 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 21170)
Street tires are for track wannabe's!! Get some damn slicks guys if youre going for et! I dont want to hear the excuse " i dont want to snap an axle ". than dont drag race!!! Geeez! :spankme:

slicks are for cars funning 10s. if you're not running at least 11s, why are you even there? street tires for everyone else.

sleeper3 04-23-2008 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 21175)
slicks plus axles/engine falling out/ plus tow is not worht it for a stupid et on a daily driver. Ill stick to my street tires or maybe MAYBE 255 bfgs

255 bfgs + 450 ft turning radius

MazdaMan13 05-01-2008 03:44 PM

wait laloosh didn't you make your 12.9 run on snow tires?

sleeper3 05-02-2008 12:36 PM

I'm not 100% sure, but I think snow tires are pretty soft rubber, which would probably mean more grip... that in combination with a larger sidewall means he got pretty good traction most likely.... it's just not the safest setup in the world.

jhershorin 05-02-2008 12:52 PM

sleeper3...next time u go to moroso let me know. i'll drive up. i get my new head on in less than a month....8500+ rpm redline with a gt35r makes for a fun time :)

Laloosh 05-02-2008 01:54 PM

yea i made my run on 215 55 16 snow tires. For all you people that think its a cheater drag radial...lol try it first. Its worse, the only reason i do it is because i dont get any wheel hop.

sleeper3 05-02-2008 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhershorin (Post 23980)
sleeper3...next time u go to moroso let me know. i'll drive up. i get my new head on in less than a month....8500+ rpm redline with a gt35r makes for a fun time :)

I'm down whenever. I want to see if I can take another tenth off my 60' time, so I'll go up there eventually, but if you want to go, I'll definitely be game. I like going up as soon as they open and leaving early. the waiting thing drives me crazy a little bit.

sleeper3 05-02-2008 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 23989)
yea i made my run on 215 55 16 snow tires. For all you people that think its a cheater drag radial...lol try it first. Its worse, the only reason i do it is because i dont get any wheel hop.

well it is wider than stock, larger side wall, and softer (I think?) seems like you'd get better traction to me... especially with that 60' time you pulled. didn't seem to hurt you any at all.

Laloosh 05-02-2008 02:29 PM

ive pulled the same 60 foot time on the stockers. My 60s arnt the problem, 2nd gear is the problem, once i light up 2nd i just gota ride it out, if i short shift to 3rd i spin through 3rd.

there you, if u call that drag radials then im doing something wrong lol

sleeper3 05-02-2008 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laloosh (Post 24002)
ive pulled the same 60 foot time on the stockers. My 60s arnt the problem, 2nd gear is the problem, once i light up 2nd i just gota ride it out, if i short shift to 3rd i spin through 3rd.

YouTube - Mazdaspeed 3 12.9 @ 111 street vid
there you, if u call that drag radials then im doing something wrong lol

you can pull a 2.0 60' on stock rubber? my hat's off to you.

I'm hoping for a 2.1 next time I go.

anyway, all I am saying is that your snow tires didn't seem to hurt in any way. I don't know where you got this "drag radial" thing from. no one made mention of that at all.

Laloosh 05-02-2008 02:46 PM

I went 13.6 with a 2.0 60 with an intake/gutted second cat on the stock wheels/tires

proof of me launcing
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...h04/img768.jpg
and the slips to match the car number.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...h04/img769.jpg

Many people say winter tires are like cheater drag radials. I feel that 99 percent of the people never actually tried it for themselves. Are winter tires stickier? Hell no. Do they prevent wheel hop, yes. The less hop the better the launch. It doesnt have to be winter tires, it could be any spongy tire.

sleeper3 05-02-2008 03:42 PM

dude calm down.

all I am saying (and you really can't disagree) is that the winter tires didn't really hurt your run.

if you think you can do a better run with the stockers, do it, and prove me wrong.

sleeper3 05-02-2008 03:42 PM

and how the hell did I run a 13.5 with a higher trap. I need to work on my launch wtf.

Laloosh 05-02-2008 10:12 PM

im not getting defensive, im just stating my opinion the whole winter tire thing. As for you running a 13.5 at a higher trap...your 60 was slower. Lower ure 60 toa 2.1 and ure running 13.4. I went 13.4 @ 105-106 with a 2.1. I believe the car had i/tbe/17psi at that point.

sleeper3 05-05-2008 05:53 AM

yeah I was thinking the exact same numbers... maybe possibly a 13.3 if I get lucky. not too bad for an intake and an intercooler...

jhershorin 05-05-2008 06:12 AM

sleeper3 you down to go to moroso with me in a few weeks once i put my built head on?

sleeper3 05-05-2008 06:27 AM

sure I'm always down. try and give me some advanced notice so I don't have a full tank of gas!


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