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Hi all,

So I have been chasing problems with the lack of power in the car and it led me to verify the timing.

As a background, I bought the car with the timing chain and VVT actuator changed.

Anyways without going into everything, I have bought a timing tool kit (https://www.endeavourtools.com.au/mazda-timing-kit) and followed this method for verifying the timing:

http://foxed.ca/rx7manual/manuals/NC...0Procedure.pdf

So when I put in the TDC pin, the plate and M6 bolt did not line up. Also the Crank Position Sensor seems to be off (pictures are in the TDC Zip file)

So to verify the TDC pin, I took it out and lined up the crank to have M6 Bolt go in. Whilst one cam lined up with the Cam plate, the other is off. Also the Crank Position Sensor seems to be off (pictures are in M6 Zip File)

Also the car seems to be running rich, the picture of the spark plugs are after a few seconds at idle (LTFT confirms this, but can also be my tune).

The car hasn't thrown any codes (neither P0012 or P0014), but car is so slow. The timing chain is also tight, so super confused. I know if the timing is off, either I should have a piston lying on the floor by now, or the guy would have thrown a code, so very confused by this.

Any thoughts on this, or if the testing method is correct etc?
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Bottom line, it needs to be re-timed with new friction washers.

I believe it will only throw a code if the crank and intake cam are out of sync.
If you align the CKP sensor properly at the 20th tooth, does the intake cam align with the plate? If yes, it shouldn't throw a code...even though it's technically all out of whack.
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Interesting, I'll strip it down again tonight and give it a shot.

As a side note, I have ordered parts to redo the timing, except the supplier is out of the Crank friction washers, so will be a while more for my car being off the road until they come into stock
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Originally Posted by Fstrnyou View Post
Bottom line, it needs to be re-timed with new friction washers.

I believe it will only throw a code if the crank and intake cam are out of sync.
If you align the CKP sensor properly at the 20th tooth, does the intake cam align with the plate? If yes, it shouldn't throw a code...even though it's technically all out of whack.
@Fstrnyou; So I lined the CKP to the correct tooth and the intake cam still isn't aligning with the plate. I have attached pics for reference.
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Wow, that's way off. I heard or read that the ECU trips out if the sync is off by more than 6 degrees. I'm assuming that's 6 degrees crank angle which would only be 3 degrees cam angle.

Is your VVT actuator jammed in the full advanced position?
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So if it is that far off you will need to reset the timing by aligning the crank and the cams. You will have to take the timing chain off and reset everything. that is the only way I know of doing it. Most likely best to set the timing by taking everything apart and doing it right. I think someone else has already said this.
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Bottom line, it needs to be re-timed with new friction washers.

I believe it will only throw a code if the crank and intake cam are out of sync.
If you align the CKP sensor properly at the 20th tooth, does the intake cam align with the plate? If yes, it shouldn't throw a code...even though it's technically all out of whack.
Am I missing something? Are new friction washers actually required if the problem is merely the orientation of the cams relative to one another via the chain? That is, if you release the chain tensioner and move the cams by a couple of teeth (as necessary), I don't see a need to break free any of the friction washer-held parts.


Basically, if some schmo screwed up the timing at some point in the past, but actually secured everything properly (i.e. there hasn't been any slippage), then the simplest solution is probably just to reorient everything relative to the chain.
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good point Vansquish, I didn't think about releasing the tensioner to adjust the cams. Certainly a much easier solution. Just make sure the crank is at TDC. I have never tried to release the tensioner with the timing cover on but it is in the manual.
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Wow, that's way off. I heard or read that the ECU trips out if the sync is off by more than 6 degrees. I'm assuming that's 6 degrees crank angle which would only be 3 degrees cam angle.

Is your VVT actuator jammed in the full advanced position?


To be honest, I’m not sure if the VVT actuator is jammer in the full advanced position, how can I check? The VVT was replaced recently though


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Am I missing something? Are new friction washers actually required if the problem is merely the orientation of the cams relative to one another via the chain? That is, if you release the chain tensioner and move the cams by a couple of teeth (as necessary), I don't see a need to break free any of the friction washer-held parts.


Basically, if some schmo screwed up the timing at some point in the past, but actually secured everything properly (i.e. there hasn't been any slippage), then the simplest solution is probably just to reorient everything relative to the chain.
Hi @Vansquish; thanks again for your input. For this, I put in a TDC pin locator and the M6 bolt on the crank didn't line up, so would I have to readjust the crank anyways?

I honestly have no idea how car has been running to date, considering none of the cams and crank line up?
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I'd prefer to hear a few success stories about reusing friction washers before suggesting it.
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I'd prefer to hear a few success stories about reusing friction washers before suggesting it.
I think what was being said was to not loosen the crank or cams (so you aren't loosen or re-using the friction washers as such), but to loosen the chain and adjust the cams. If I have understood correctly. But since I have the crank as being not TDC as per the first post, I believe I would have to loosen the cranks friction washer, so that will have to be changed.
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I'd prefer to hear a few success stories about reusing friction washers before suggesting it.
I would never suggest that somebody reuse friction washers. Rather, I was trying to say that perhaps if all that needs to be done is to loosen the chain and rotate components relative to one another, none of the friction washers would have to be broken free. That said, I have not done this procedure, and I do not know if it's possible.
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I would just buy the new friction washers and re-time the thing - you've done most of the work already. Spend the few dollars and ensure the job is done right. Moving the chain assumes the engine was timed correctly at some point, which I'm not convinced is true.

BTW the counting teeth on the crank pulley is the last part of the timing sequence - using it to verify timing can be misleading because of the adjustment allowed in the crank position sensor.
1- set crank with correct pin
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4- tighten friction washers
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#4 should say: tighten CAM friction washers only
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Well the parts are on order (washers, guides, bolts and tensioner), should I change the chain and VVT actuator, although they only have less than 10,000 kms on them? Also do the pumps on these things get changed when the chain is done?


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If the VVT actuator was recently replaced, then it's likely the newest revision and should be safe to use for another 90k miles or more.

To change the oil pump requires removing the pump gear...which can be somewhat of a bitch to hold the gear from turning if you don't have or can't fabricate a tool to hold it. I installed a new pump with my engine rebuild, but I wouldn't mess with it for no reason. If you insist though, save yourself some money and get the ecoboost pump.
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Is the water pump a common change item and is it hard to replace?


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Ahhh, water pump. I wouldn't mess with it. Replacement water pumps these days have a plastic impeller...or so I've heard. They aren't terrible to replace under normal circumstances.
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I'd pull it apart and change washers etc. Who ever fucked it up so bad with the timing, maybe they did a shit job at replacing washers with engine bits not being cleaned properly etc..or they may have even reused the washers.
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Hi all, so the story continues. I have just finished re-timing the engine (changed the friction washers on the cams and crank, new bolts as well) and it is all correct now. I've taken it for a test drive, and the car still feels slow on an Stage 1+ OTS map (not ideal, I know), but it literally feels like it has no boost (same as before). I have attached a datalog, if someone can help! I am at my wits end with this car!!!
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Hey all,

wanted to provide an update, I pulled off the intake to perform another boost leak test, and thought I would take a look at the EBC. All the hoses are fine, but I noticed that one of the wires had actually come apart from the connector. So after some handy dremel and crimp work, I now have power again (insert evil laugh)!!! I have ordered a MAC 3 Port EBC, which I will run in 2 port mode, until I get a tune. Thanks everyone!
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Hey all,

wanted to provide an update, I pulled off the intake to perform another boost leak test, and thought I would take a look at the EBC. All the hoses are fine, but I noticed that one of the wires had actually come apart from the connector. So after some handy dremel and crimp work, I now have power again (insert evil laugh)!!! I have ordered a MAC 3 Port EBC, which I will run in 2 port mode, until I get a tune. Thanks everyone!
Glad you got the timing fixed. Your log was only showing 10-11 psi, but not suggesting a leak, so it is consistent with the EBCS basically being unplugged.

A new log will probably show 15-16 psi. With a decent tune that newly added dp should yield more like 17-18 psi if you have a decent aftermarket intake.
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Thanks to everyone for your input and assistance. I can confirm I know the proud owner of a 17PSI car, haha. Just need to do a MAF cal, due to super rich conditions (-15 LTFT) but with no ATR, looks like I need to get an E-tune
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