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Hello eveveryone,

So today I went and did a drive on my MS3, everything seemed okay. Once I get home and park the car and let it idle the car felt like turning off and the Oil light starting blinking. I then turn off the car and go check my oil level. Oil level is fine, then I go to the DH and check for codes and I see this, P0012: A Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 1). I reset my battery by disconnecting the negative cable then turn on the car and let it idle for a couple minutes. Car idles fine then I drive around the block and CEL P0012 pops right back on. My car idles and drives good but I keep on getting this code, any suggestions?

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You have poo in cylinder #12
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Take the camshaft sensor out and wipe the goo off of it.
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possible causes: jumped timing, CMP sensor issue, VVT actuator issue, OCV (oil control valve) that controls the VVT actuator. the PDF phillyb shows what to check.. But the fact your oil pressure light is blinking should point you in that direction.
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possible causes: jumped timing, CMP sensor issue, VVT actuator issue, OCV (oil control valve) that controls the VVT actuator. the PDF phillyb shows what to check.. But the fact your oil pressure light is blinking should point you in that direction.
is there a way to verify the VVT actuator is working? The oil pressure light only came up once and it went away. I'm gonna check the timing tomorrow to see if it didn't jump.
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This is one of those situations where stocking out and going to the dealer might be worth the time...

It's most likely an OCV or VVT actuator issue, unfortunatly there isn't much you can do to troubleshoot this yourself...
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would jumped timing cause this code? it looks like my #1 cylinder at TDC is not lining up with the cams and the crank pulley white mark, it's like 1 whole tooth off.
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Didn't you have oil squirter issues as well? If an oil squirter was missing or something, it could drop the oil pressure quite a bit IMO, and possibly affect OCV and VVT stuff.

It's also probably worth while to verify the timing on the motor if you have any doubts at all. It can be done in the car.
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Didn't you have oil squirter issues as well? If an oil squirter was missing or something, it could drop the oil pressure quite a bit IMO, and possibly affect OCV and VVT stuff.

It's also probably worth while to verify the timing on the motor if you have any doubts at all. It can be done in the car.
My oil squirter issues were fixed, I even pulled down my oil pan to see if all 4 squirters was still there.

I got the Cam alignment tool today from SUMark and I have verified my timing is off by a whole tooth on the Crankshaft sensor, the white mark is one tooth below the sensor, would this be a possibility?
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Time to RETIME the motor.
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Time to RETIME the motor.
That's what I'm gonna do tomorrow I'll redo the timing and take it from there.
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I think you should verify oil pressure.

the VVT and OCV are both directly related to oil pressure.
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I think you should verify oil pressure.

the VVT and OCV are both directly related to oil pressure.
Once I retime the motor, I can verify that. Do I need a oil pressure gauge to do that? Is there a specific range of pressure?
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...I have verified my timing is off by a whole tooth on the Crankshaft sensor...
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A Camshaft Position - Timing Over-Retarded (Bank 1)
Definitely a possibility lol.
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Forgot to update thread, re-timed engine and P0012 has not came back.

Car is running perfect now.
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i've thrown this code recently too.
how does one retime engine?
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I threw this code because I time'd the engine wrong, I know JumpingJackson threw P0011 and P0016 when his timing chain broke off and jumped timing.

To do the timing you need the following:

Cam Alignment tool
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crank holding tool (i needed this)

to check your timing on your car you do the following:

- Place #1 cylinder at TDC.
- take off your valve cover and verify (at least the exhaust cam) that the cam slots are centered. also, the lobes in the intake/exhaust cam should be facing each other in a backwards V position.
- the crank pulley should have a tooth painted white (if not there is a grove/space in the pulley without tooths. start from there and count backwards until you hit the 20th tooth. that's the timing mark tooth. make sure that tooth is lined up straight to the crank sensor.

hopefully i'm giving you the right directions.
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Time to revive that.

After I decided to make proper timing on my engine (first time after rebuild - we put the timing "as we could" lol), it became totally messed up. I did everything what I should (according the quideness) - and after we made it, car runs very stupidly, especially before 3K, MAP pressure raised twice and I threw P0012 once.

What I shall do tomorrow - I shall check again all the timing and check VVT actuator. What is annoying me - raised vacuum at idle. By raised - I mean actually that I had 30kPa of absolue pressure, now I have 60kPa on idle! But on lifting the gas when driving it is 30kPa which is nice, and when I put neutral or push the clutch - it goes back to bad 60kPa.

May be someone will come here and just say: "Hey I know where the shit is, just change something". By something I mean not the car
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Just FYI.
Managed that. When torquing crank pulley, one must put the pulley in place because it slips the direction opposite to lock bolt. So we just redid it from the scratch and now it it fine.
And don't forget to rotate the cam once, just to get know if your valves are not touching the piston lol
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Cruising at 65mph today and my DH knock retard started pumping up in the 7's then the car shut off. Tried to crank it on the side of the highway and it tried to turn over but couldn't. Don't want to fuck it up by trying again... sounds like it might need retimed by reading through this post???? Just replaced timing chain, vvt actuator, tensioners, etc last fall at 100k miles... clocking about 107k now I think.
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Cruising at 65mph today and my DH knock retard started pumping up in the 7's then the car shut off. Tried to crank it on the side of the highway and it tried to turn over but couldn't. Don't want to fuck it up by trying again... sounds like it might need retimed by reading through this post???? Just replaced timing chain, vvt actuator, tensioners, etc last fall at 100k miles... clocking about 107k now I think.
I am going to guess by now you have found that your timing fully slipped and you now have bent valves and had to replace bent valves and re time motor
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I am going to guess by now you have found that your timing fully slipped and you now have bent valves and had to replace bent valves and re time motor
It is seized up in my barn and havent had the time or money to take it apart yet, so from what your saying its possible the engine can be ssaved/ rebuilt? Otherwise im stuck with a used $3300 motor if i can even find one? Probably just fixing this thing and selling it. I need a truck anyway....sad
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Not to thread hi-jack. But when 11cruzito11 said a backwards V. Does this mean the lobes of the crankshafts are facing towards the center of the engine? An Upsidedown V??

Just want some clarification as i'm in the same boat. However my issue isn't dropping oil pressure but rather getting a popping sound from Cyl #1 about 5-6K RPM. I don't rev that high until i can resolve this issue.

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