Intel Mac came from no PPC support anymore... Otherwise, the MAC would of been dead. Wasn't a brilliant idea from SJ whatsoever.. they were out of options. Steve vowed to never use an X86 processor in a MAC because thats what PC's use... SO Macs, are now PC's....

Could you imagine the blood bath with PPC vs the I7 Core logic today? It wouldnt even be fucking funny.

Cannon fodder - did not play that one. Might have to get an emulator going one of these days, relive some of the old-school gaming goodness. Like an idiot I sold my A500 for next to nothing in the early 90s, It would be cool as shit to fire that thing up now, 20 years later. A shame... In the computer world, some of the best products were the ones that didn't make it. Sega Dreamcast, another example.

In grade school I remember the Vic20 with the tape drive. Now that is fucking old school... Waiting 15-20 minutes to load up a game file that was probably less than a megabyte, lol. God damn I probably sound like such an old fart right now.

Sorry about off-topic.

Thats not true. Intel Mac had begun as a side project of an engineer way before PPC Support started going down the tubes. It wasn't a brilliant idea from SJ, most of the ideas aren't from SJ. They're from Apple Engineers and thats my point. SJ didn't design anything, he merely put the final touches on it.

SJ vowed many different things. But that was one of his best attributes, he changed and adapted to the conditions of the market and tech at that time.

PPC vs I7 today would be a bloodbath.

Apple is always a step behind the curve in one way or another. Always has been and always will be. They're that way because Apple doesn't like loose strings.



They're not that hard. They do it automatically with delta updates now.

I meant upgrade. Like over clock, flash better roms, utilize cool shit like Google wallet before your carrier will let you.


Not update your phone to the "latest" software version that slows your phone down so bad you are forced to get a newer one. Unless delta updates are of the jail broken variety, I don't think we mean the same thing.



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We don't. Delta upgrades are an upgrade that only updates a portion of software, and only the portion thats necessary to update.

I agree with you, as for software modifications ios is hardly setup for that. I can see in the future that being undone. Apple can only keep iOS locked up for so long until something gives. Jailbreaking is nice but the jailbreak devs seriously need to take a step back and look at WTF they're doing.

Jailbreaking makes just about every iPhone unstable after a while. Its partially due to all the freaking dependancies running i the background. Jailbreak devs need to get a handle on that BS, they also need to make Cydia better.

I have been telling friends and family how Apple's marketing strategy is a black hole for years. You buy one product but can't put music on it without using the worst program ever called iTunes. And for Xmas one year my family got an iPod dock, I hate the thing so much. Sure it sounds good cuz its Bose but it literally can only be used with an iPod, no Auxiliary or anything. That sort of un-userfriendlyness is what makes me hate Apple and I hope Google takes them down big time.

I have been hacking my android phones for a few years and I love it even though its not as refined an OS as the one on the iPhone. But I deal with it because I know if I went Apple I would be forced to buy everything Apple just to get the full experience.
/rage

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Correction: No, let me rephrase. Jailbreak Devs need to GET RID OF CYDIA entirely. Replace it and rebuild it from the ground up.

Not always. You dont have to use iTunes there are many music adding and media adding apps for the iphone. As for the dock.. it is made for iphones/ipods.... Thats more of a fault on your family for not picking the better dock with an aux port. Not even apples fault if the bose dock makers didn't add an AUX Port. However you're in luck. Where theres a will, theres a way... Apple isn't really a blackhole... you just have to look around.

Bluetooth A2DP Music Audio Receiver Adapter for iPod iPhone 30-Pin Dock Speaker | eBay

Ya I've tried a few other programs for putting music onto an iPod and they work just not in a nice way when compared to iTunes. I wish we had gotten to choose which dock, but it was a present. Its just a pain that ppl give that sort of thing for a present assuming everyone has an iPod. I do, but I use my android phone for music 90% of the time so that's the problem. If the dock didn't have Apple on it, I bet there would be all sort of hook ups like USB, auxiliary, L/R ect. But that's Apples plan, make it only Apple compatible so they have Bose build it that way. At least that's what I see when I use their products. My brother had a MacBook pro and it didn't run anything I wanted to run. I put windows on a few of my friends macbooks so they could actually play games... I've just had a bad run with their stuff, I'm sure it all works as its intended. Just not for me.

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The Windows vs. Mac Apps is a long standing thing. Now games are being made for mac as of lately so its not as big a deal. Macbook Pros run everything, and I mean everything. Sometimes may take a little tinkering, but they do run everything.

Sorry about the dock -- Maybe that bluetooth adaptor will help

Well that's good to hear, I can only take so many hours of tinkering when it would work fine on the other comps. I never thought of a bluetooth adapter! Ill look that up. Would be handy for playing music at parties and not worrying about my phone being stolen.

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Gotta agree, in my iphone days ( yes i had the first all the way to iphone 4 ) I couldnt stand how crappy cydia was and the lack of dev support iphone had in general. As soon as i went to evo 4g, it was like nothing ive ever known...support, and i learned what cyanogenmod was.

Bluetooth A2DP Music Audio Receiver Adapter for iPod iPhone 30-Pin Dock Speaker | eBay


It needs tinkering because its not a Windows computer. It wont run Windows applications. Its a Linux/BSD Based Operating system. Theres not much tinkering you just have to know what to do and become accustom to the Unix/BSD way of doing things.

Digi Fag sleeps with iPillows and iBlankets

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That makes sence, i love the display on the Ipad just dont think its worth it on the phone, but the iphone 5 will have a bigger screen so that will make it better. I always buy the iphones and try them out and then sell them :), so im not a complete hater. Thanks for the insight

hahaha

Find me an I phone that will do this...


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...0-10-33-03.png

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Tasker and NFC Tasker...

That's all I have to say here.

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Every iphone will do that. Those words are learned by your typing habits. The iphone also has an adaptive keyboard dictionary. Next?

Swype rules as a keyboard...nuff said. Once it learns your typing ways, it's unbeatable.

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Actually that wasn't a word I have ever typed on my phone it was generated from a Facebook comment that swift key happened to scan for me....

Someone at apple must be giving you excellent blow jobs for you to campaign so hard for them.

Automation
Torrents
NFC
Flash player
The ridiculous ease of setting up corporate sync emails (I do this every day for people and the I phone doesn't even come close)

The I phone has imessage and face time. Even siri has better counter parts these days.





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No, No Blowjobs, just arguing against stupidity. Everyone jumps on one band wagon or another and i'll give credit where its due.

I agree entirely. Swype is simply amazing. Its the fastest i've ever typed. I personally would love to see a integration of swype on the new Windows tablets, or maybe on the dual screen tablets like below. Granted, I dont want to see it replace regular tactile keyboards, but if you have to have a touch screen swype should be it IMO.

Although the new Blackberry 10 Keyboard looks nice too. It will be interesting to see that compared to swype.


Newegg.com - Acer Iconia-6120 Dual-Screen Touchbook Intel Core i5 480M(2.66GHz) 14" 4GB Memory 640GB HDD 5400rpm Intel HD Graphics

Your shark fucking sucks... Just thought I'd point that out. Most Apple ball swingers like trees and pictures of nature and shit. Android users troll the shore line looking for the next meal. Act accordingly.:slap:

You fucking stole my shark idea! GRAH! Well, atleast my shark has a music video!

Lol, cool video... Your shark still looks like a pussy... Just like the employees at Apple.:danems6:

Fuck Apple. itunes is ripoff, amazon sells music cheaper. their laptops blow, theres nothing pro about a dual core, especially when its $1500! They make something like 26% profit on their products, companys like lenovo make 1%, im not wasting my money to make a company with 100 Billion in cash any richer. their phones are SOOOO far behind the competition.

with the latest apple VS samsung lawsuit, its sad how much money they spent on both sides of that just to pass the expense onto us the consumer. several other countries japan, UK found that samsung did NOT copy apple. its all one big game. apple even uses samsung built processers in their phones.

I love my Samsung Galaxy Nexus, my Nexus 7 and all my past Android phones, and will never go to apple.

*sighs*.. Alright.. First of all they call them Macbook Pro's because they are meant to be marketed to the Design, Programming, and Developer communities. "Pro" is a marketing term meant for a upper scale laptop. They put "Pro" on Macbooks because a while ago they sold White Polycarbonate laptops. Which did not have the specs of the Macbook Pros. The poly-carbonite ones were geared toward college kids and had significant price reductions. Then in 2008 Apple came out with the new Metal Macbook Pro design and phased out the polycarbonate macbooks. Then Apple did a reverse course and refreshed Macbook Pro line out of metal/better parts and returned with the polycarbonate macbook.

The reason they call it Macbook Pro is because it usually has higher upgraded components than the original polycarbonate macbook.

Secondly, if you're basing a processor based on the number of cores it has you're an idiot. Theres 20x more that goes into what defines a processor and how efficiently a processor works. Their processors are more than adequate for what the average people and even developers use.

I run a 2.8GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo (2008 MBP). On any given day I have 7 Internet windows open, 2 Expresso TextEditor Windows Open, Fireworks CS6, Photoshop CS6, Spotify, Email, xCode 4.5, iPhone Simulator, and on some days even parallels or eclipse. I rarely if ever experience a lag anywhere in the system and I multi-task very much. I have my environments split between different workspaces. xCode/Iphone Sim in one, Fireworks/Photoshop in another, and everything else in the 1st workspace. Two fingers on my magic mouse switches between them. Which I do regularly.

So if you're trying to argue that the processor sucks or is underpowered its not. If you're trying to argue you want more bang for you buck, then thats fine for you.


No, Onto the fact of Macbook Pro's costing 1500$ and Apple making 30% Profit. Those numbers are deceiving. First off, the cheapest Macbook is the 11" Air at 999$ And the Pro is the 13" at 1199$ However if you swing over to their discount store you can get the 11" at 749, and the 13" Pro at 929$.

Secondly have you done any analysis on the Macbook sales at all? Apple makes 30% profit off every macbook sold, based on the HARDWARE ONLY. That does not include any of the OS X Development/Support costs. It does not include licensing costs or whatever costs go into the Mac App Store, iTunes Store, and iOS App Store. Granted most of those costs are subsidized by the 30% profit Apple takes to sell on the store, but theres more to the story.

That 30% also doesn't include R&D. Apple is thorough in their R&D. The indicator in the Macbook Pro's for Sleep is laser cut into the metal chassis using a revolutionary technology they bought.

Furthermore, that 30% is decreasing every year. As Apple sells more macbook pro's that 30% decreases and so does the cost of a Macbook. But I don't expect you to believe me.

http://www.trefis.com/company?hm=AAP...from=rhs&c=top

Also, a part of Samsung that deals with MFGing manufactures the Apple iOS Processors. Apple designs their own processors since the A4/A5. Samsung also MFGed their memory. But thats not the same part of Samsung that designs Phones.

@Digi

all that graph shows is in increase of almost 2% in the last 4 year, and a potential decrease of 3% in the next 7 years. big deal.

and trust me, i know dual cores. i built my own rig, with a E8400 dual core overclocked to 3.6ghz and it spanked everything but some i7s.

No, what the graph showed was a DECREASE in % of profit, a DECREASE in COST, and an INCREASE in marketshare. Which doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why Macs cost so much, and shows that as time goes on and marketshare rises the cost of the Macbook will go down for us while profit margins stay the same. Assuming it goes according to historical contexts. Which means that Apple has determined an internal profit percentage that goes down as they sell more machines. Which means your 28%-30& Figure is bunk.

I'm really glad you understand processors from building your own computer. But please, tell me why Window's WPF Platform is more Processor Intensive than Apple's Cocoa?

The point i'm trying to make is that one of two processors may process 1+1 faster than the other. But when it comes to computers its not 1+1. Its a shit-load more complex and complicated than that. If you take time to understand computers you will find that almost all Apple Projects are written in Obj-C and compiled into native code. Windows .Net and Windows 8 Applications are not. They are interpreted applications and then are transmitted on the fly into native code. Which at best is a decent performance reduction over native code last I checked.

Not to mention the internals of a processor, motherboard, and memory.

If you are going to sit there and defend apple and claim they aren't making mass profit off their overpriced shit, you aren't even being honest with yourself Chris.

MacBook Pro's aren't any faster than Window Laptops either.

MacBook Pro's and Mac Mini's will choke at HD video rendering no matter what the configuration. Until you buy a Mac Pro, you aren't even getting a real machine.

I can't wait for you to justify how much better their laptop's will be when you see them coming with iOS in the coming years.

I look forward to meeting you in person Digi and continuing this convo ;)

apple is a smart phone for dumb people. I was the first one in the store to get the G1 and i've been hooked on android ever since. Android gives me the freedom I want in my electronic devices, apple locks you out of everything. their shit is wayyy overpriced, you are really just buying hype and nothing more. Jelly Bean on my HTC one s is toooo sick. Isn't that nice, that when there is a major software update, i can put it on my phone vs buying another phone? Hell, I still have my G1, overclocked and running gingerbread smoothly. It used to be permamounted in my car as a torque display, but now my G2 does that and the G1 collects dust

Never had an iphone but I really only hear good things from friends that do have them. I have a samsung g2x (4g) and am currently on my 6th phone since october. Idk if its just this model phone or what but it FUCKING SUCKS.

Out of curiosity, what's the phone done that you've gone through 6 of them?

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My 2year old Macbook Pro runs twice as fast as my moms new Windows laptop and the windows laptop has a faster processor and more RAM. Not to mention Apple replaced my first macbook for free with a new Macbook pro after I physically damaged my own product on accident.

Some people may hate their high prices but their service is outstanding IMHO

Twice as fast based on which benchmarks?

Yeah, i bet you mom's laptop has a fuckin i3 or AMD in it too. Mhz means nothing, its pipelines...

My microprocessor engineer class professor said it best when comparing the Pentium 4 to the Athlon back in 1999...

"You can have a mexican worker picking your crops or a black guy picking your crops. The black guy looks physically stronger than the mexican guy. Who do you think is more efficient and harder working?"

He was trying to explain pipeline architecture. He also outlined racism for the entire class as well, but he was spot on with this analogy.

Jeez idk where to start man lol. Drops calls constantly (and I know its not my provider because its only been happening on this model). It freezes up on me ALL THE TIME, literally at least 5 times a day.. The internet absolutely sucks and I know its not my connection because my girlfiend who has an iphone will be sitting right next to me and load whatever im trying to load in like 10 seconds, itll take my phone a good 3-4 minutes to load a facebook page or google sometimes. The worst things gotta be when the screen randomly goes black.. It does it when im typing a text, trying to get on the internet, playing a game, and when I go to hangup a call. If the other person doesnt hangup for whatever reason or if im leaving someone a voicemail ill have to take the back off and take the battery out which is another complete bitch in itself. ANDDD it likes to just randomly shut off and not turn back on for 20-30 minutes every now and then. I've had samsung phones before.. Im not saying dont go the samsung route, but DEFINITELY DO NOT go the G2X route. My mom and sister both have them too and suffer from the same problems.

BTW I posted on that thread you had about the accident, hows everything going with that?

Holy balls man, that's insane! Get another phone!! Lol..

In order to keep this thread on topic, I'll fill ya in on the original wreck thread. :)
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The whole thing about apple laptops running faster than windows pcs is true to an extent.

I have a laptop thay was running windows xp and it was extremely slow.

I installed Ubuntu (linux) on it and it ran a lot faster.

I am by no means a computer guru but all i know is that windows is a very slow OS and linux is much better

If you install and uninstall a shitload of software on your laptop, your registry will become fragmented. This is what causes the slow down in most cases. If people learn how to keep their registry clean, then there is no issues.

Apple made the decision to go with a bsd operating system in 1999. There's very little fragmentation with *nix systems. Windows was supposed to break out of registry 3 versions ago but people complained about breaking compatibility.

Windows 7 is prob the best OS to come out from MS. It handles memory very well and has little file fragmentation.

Owning a Mac doesn't make you a power user however.. Its designed to just work and is limited to what a user can modify for his work environment. I don't like such restrictions and i prefer to allocate memory to what im using. Ill give Mac some kudos for bringing bsd to the mainstream, but in the same breath, ill ridicule the shit out of them for their bullshit restrictions they place on taking over its memory handling and installation of apps.. Esp with Mountain Lion.

They are making profit, but not as much as you'd think. You think the 40$ you pay to buy OS X Upgrade pays the salaries of all those engineers, developers, and designers? Let alone the fact that OS X is included in the price of the mac you buy.

Secondly, no they're not. But the software is more optimized and more stable. You can't sit there with a straight face and tell me .net is as fast as native code. You just can't.

Heres one benchmark.. Head-to-head benchmark: C++ vs .NET - CodeProject

On the double tests and such theres a .10 difference at its closest, but on the sudoku example which is a more real-world test.. Furthermore .Net was found slower than native C++ in most of the tests. In the end of the article they even state that .Net was made to perform as well as possible and most programmers wont take that time.

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And if you ever want to know why videogames require more and more power.. here you go.. code4k: Benchmarking C#/.Net Direct3D 11 APIs vs native C++

Base-line Macbook Pros, Processor to Processor 1+1, Probably not. But as you climb in the tiers and spend more you get more. Todays top Macbook Pro's are just as fast as the baseline MacPro; and faster than the 2008 MacPro. So, 2200$ Macbook Pro Retina > 2500$ Mac Pro. But yes, once your start getting up there, once you start spending 3-4 grand on a MacPro you're going to get much better performance.

As for video rendering, my 2008 Macbook Pro rendered raw 720P in less than 4 minutes. While I was working on other things. It can render video, and it can do it as well as anything in its class. But if your looking at rendering bluray from a red camera.. Well then you're gonna need a lot more power. But the point is, your comment that they "Choke" is bullshit.

Lastly, iOS isn't coming to OS X. If you knew ANYTHING about Apple you would know this. Apple is ADAMANTLY against putting iOS on OS X.

Agreed the Windows Registry is a PITA. People get viruses that fuck with it and never fix them after they remove the virus. They have all those startup programs, and tens more shit. Most people who say windows runs like shit simply don't know how to fix it and maintain it.

Windows 7 is easily the best OS to come from MS. But on a benchmark stand point Windows 8 is faster at the core.

Mac Isn't locked down as much as you think it is. It's an egg. On the outside it runs picture perfect.. but deep inside its still unix/bsd and you can still break into all the details. Installation of Apps isn't controlled by the App Store, its a setting just like UAC is. Pretty much the same thing as UAC really. Power Users will just turn it right off.

I expect this thread to be hopping today... The Apple Store just went down and the new stuff is announced today.

You guys ready for the "magic" <-- Sarcasm.

Ready for more crap to come out by Apple that's already been out for a while...but wait, it's reinvented bc apple made it. Bring the on the ifail, and the tool's that buy it.

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Even as an android fanboy, I'm excited to see what apple unveils today, and really really hoping it's more than a longer screen and few enhancements to the software.

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And here's where I agree with all of you Apple fanboys.
Macmini, by Samsung:

Samsung - Series 3 Chromebox Desktop - 4GB Memory - 16GB Solid State Drive - XE300M22-A01US

And what does this remind you of?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Computer...at241800050013

Samsung is just asking for it at this point. I'll be siding with Apple in the coming (inevitable) lawsuit to follow the release of these products.

Still an Android fan, but these products are a shameless fucking copy of Apple products. Shame on you Samsung. And here I sided with you. :damnit1:

And Google, shame on you for putting your OS (which I thought would be pretty sweet) on these devices.

Have you seen HP's latest releases?

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....1346870395.jpg

http://www.maclife.com/files/u129772...0/all_full.jpg

You mean the HP Touchpad?

In all honesty, I walked around CompUSA a few weeks back just appalled at all the Macbook clones out there.

What pushes me over the edge is the MacMini clone Samsung has Xerox'd.

no their latest all in one desktop pc is basically a clone of the iMac. even their laptops scream macbook pro clones.

My Macbook pro has an i5 with 4 gigs of ram, her windows laptop has an i7 and 6 gigs... mine is hands down faster

Bet my Alienware laptop is faster than both.

I bet you my Win 7 XPS 15z with i5 and 6GB of RAM is faster than your MBP. You want to know why? Because specs have absolutely nothing to do with how fast an operating system will run when you introduce applications and users into the equation.

If you want to blame someone for the crap performance of a lot of Windows machines, blame the OEM's who load laptops up with garbage software, or the user who somehow finds a way to infect it with malware. Any OS can be taken to its knees by crap software and users, including OSX.

Or ya know.. like the whole operating system.. and applications being interpreted now as opposed to native code. That could be a big deal too....

People fuck up their computers, thats no lie. But just look at my posts and you'll see how much better native code runs. The amount of interpreted code in windows now.. well they might aswell sell out to VMWare because its almost a virtual machine.

Alienware laptops are the shit. I love me some MXM. Apple's Older iMac's had MXM too, I dont know about the new ones. I wish Apple and HP would go to MXM in their laptops too. MXM is pure dank.

I know the HP Touchsmarts had MXM as did the older iMac's. But no laptops as of late.

It's almost time for the next nexus announcement, so I'm stoked for that. My girls giving me her upgrade so I've got one in November, looking at note 2 if nothing else impresses me.

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parody video made me lol

Iphone 5... now with iGrave.. talk to Steve from the Grave

Wow the iphone 5 is a total let down, doesn't even include nfc. I feel sorry for you ifollowers hoping for something big. At this rate they'll be a decade behind android.

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Yeah i thought NFC was supposed to be a biggie for the iGrave 5

haha, apple is such a fail. unfortunately, this will not matter to the diehard fan boys, they will buy it no matter what, and pretend like its awesome... so silly, apple could be so much cooler if they went back to their roots... honestly i think their hardware is \decent\, its the OS, cost, retard consumers and evil company that i have a problem with.

i just read today that HTC might be getting a ban on apple 4g products in USA. FUCK yeah HTC! get em!!! GET EM!!!

HTC is Brewing BIG Trouble in Apple's 4G Foray | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

back OT, HTC>motorola>samsung>nokia>puddle of excrement>iphone>iphone fanboys

edit, i reread the article and it made me laugh.. "According to Bloomberg, HTC lawyer Tom Jarvis told the court the company was the first to sell Google (NASDAQ:GOOG) Android and 4G devices. “HTC is an innovator,” Jarvis told the judge. “It’s no Johnny-come-lately.”
I am a bit of a HTC fan boy, since i bought the first G1 this tmobile store sold until the phone i have now. they just make solid phones, not cheesy shit like samsung

The only HTC phone I've ever had my hands on was the cheesiest little POS I've ever touched. Horrible user interface. It was before android though. Apparently without google designing their OS they are completely retarded.

PC/iPhone here...

i don't see how changing software makes the hardware any better... but i hear ya, their shit was weak back in the day for sure. but my current HTC has an aluminum frame, so did my G2... thats a quality build IMHO

Fwiw HTC paved the way for smartphones. They were a huge innovator before any of this got popular. First touchscreen keyboard hybrid, first touchscreen, and had experience with multiple os' (palm and windows) actually almost all palm phones back in the day were HTC phones. Friendstream is some cool shit too.

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HTC make great phones.. but since the SGIII, Samsung has really kicked it up a few notches unlike the previous plastic galaxies. The tunderbolt is a very nice built phone... and it has an amazing screen.. Good look at any moto and the screen looks like shit.

Yeah, wasn't it the droid Razr that had that horrific screen? That was a cool looking phone, but the screen looked awful compared to iPhone an other android phones at the time.

The HTC phone I got a chance to use was a touchscreen phone that was out around te time of the iPhone 3G, but it was non-android. Build quality felt lousy (very plastic feeling) and the touchscreen user interface was horrible. Like the interface was a complete afterthought after building the phone.

That abortion of a phone damaged the reputation of HTC in my mind, but I haven't really played with anything newer from HTC so they may be making great stuff now, I'm just commenting on back then.

I'm really torn on this, I've had an iPhone since the 3G came out. But I think I'm just getting a little bored with iOS



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Maybe

Although I am a die hard Apple fanboy I have always liked Alienware stuff. Pretty expensive though if I remember correctly, even compared to Apple prices

Compared to apple prices Alienware is even cheap, now you'll pay for the name with Alienware just like you would with apple, but your not paying for five employees salaries at once also like with apple.

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This proves how shitty Apple, as a company really is. Apple needs to burn in a fiery agonizing death. I vow to never purchase another thing from them or listen or even have iTunes on my machines anymore. This companies future imo is not looking good. Apparently they think they're god enough to own the word Apple. Apple needs to be where jobs is...in the grave.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/13...eir-name-a-pl/
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U Mad Bro?

With Alienware its not really the name your paying for as much as the MXM, the Lighting, The fancy box and case, and pretty leather manual. Because Alienware is the only mainstream laptop maker to use the MXM port in their consumer laptops they can charge the premium and get away with it. IMO its totally worth it.

If I didn't require a Mac Platform i'd totally rock a M15x in Nebula Red.

It is expensive.. but you have to consider what your getting. An entirely user serviceable and upgradeable laptop. The MXM port alone separates Alienware from any other laptop on the mainstream market. You pay 2K for an Alienware laptop and it will last the life of 2-3 laptops so it's a buck well spent.

You're referring to the Windows Mobile 6.5 Phone aren't you? Yeah, Windows Mobile 6.5 sucked ass but at the time it was the shit.. because it was a smartphone.. sorta.

I honestly don't know. It was a while back.

I just remember it was HTC, it was touch screen, it was sort of smallish and rounded, and it sucked.

Yeah it was WInMo 6.5 The Abortion of Smart Phones.

The last winmo phone I had was the Samsung Omnia. Not sure what that ran on but it was a great phone. My only complaint with that phone was that it was a pressure sensitive screen....which worked for a while...but gradually got worse as the screen got scratches. That was years ago before gorilla glass.

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best phone ever....lg chocolate 2, loved that thing until it went for a swim.

I have the alienware m15x and I hate it. The touch pad sucks for starters and I am forced to use a mouse unless I want to spend 5 second every time I want to scroll down a tiny bit. But the real reason I hate it is simply because its a labtop. You can't upgrade shit. Well you can but its way too expensive and still not fast. It has a outdated graphics card and its a shame because the rest of the specs like processor and ram would be fine for the games I want to play, but the graphics card holds it back. My dual core PC I built like 6 years ago runs games better simply because I put a nvidia 250x card in it and that's not even a new graphics card...

It does everything else fine tho like Photoshop and ATR. If I could sell it I would.

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i thought alienware was just rebadged clevo and sagar laptops? those are pretty upgradeable... back in the day i had a 19" alienware laptop, and i was able to upgrade the mobo, processor and vid cards.. yea, it cost like 700 to do, but that is cheaper than a new laptop, and who else could say they had a RAID array and SLI'ed vid cards, in a 19" laptop? :)

compared to a new MBP, where you cannot upgrade shit, not even the battery... f that

Question: I haven't really used many android phones, but the couple I've had a chance to hold recently, you had to click a button on the top (same place as iPhone's power button) to start it up when it was in sleep mode. Then you could swipe or whatever to unlock. I'd that common to most android devices, or just the couple I've happened to use?

I have no problem with much of anything with android phones and think they are on par with iPhone, but that having to push a button on top thing would drive me nuts. Just a stupid design IMO.

I had the LG chocolate, and the LG voyager and those phones sucked so much ass. I left Verizon because those phones were so bad I lost faith in the carrier that decided to stick them.

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Lg sux in general, you need a good brand phone. That's the one thing about android that sux, you can have a bad experience on a certain phone but get a different one and it's all good. With iphone the experience won't change bc it's one maker. Those crappy lg and some other phones like the thunderbolt and droid charge prolly ruined it for a lot people.

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LOL the LG Voyager.. Dubbed, the Iphone Killer in 1997.. I have one in my cars door storage pocket. Im going to run it over for you guys and post the video :)

You remember that shit? That phone was TERRIBLE with its small screen and dumb antenna. I went through 3 of them at no fault of my own before Verizon gave me full retail price towards any phone of my choice. I went with the Motorola Q9M. Big mistake as well. Went through 3 of those also and Verizon just let me break my contract for free and I left and went to AT&T and been with iPhone ever since.

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Yeah i had been given one of those because my pos audiiovox win mobile phone kept fuckin up. Infact, that pos's battery wouldnt last 3 hours. So they gave me the LG.... welp, they didnt even ask for it back when i had all of the issues with it... They gave me the blackberry storm instead.. which was the utter, of epic fucking fails.

I have had my S3 for a week now and it is a vast improvement over my Xperia Play. I love being able to swap out batteries and SD Cards.:cool2:

So I opened an iphone 5 today. Packaging is cheaper, phone feels cheaper. It has a good weight to it but something about it makes it toyish feeling. Feels snappy enough and the new maps are pretty cool. Overall though I think they took a step back.

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I am not an apple fanboy by any means, I am a pc guy for sure.

But they did get it right with the iPhone. Love my 4s.

WAIT WHAT!? You realize that M15X can be upgraded in every way right? Thats why its an Alienware. Just upgrade the GPU bro. People at forums.notebookreviews.com sell them like candy. Alienware = MXM Port = Upgradeable GFX.



Meh, the new MBP-R doesn't leave much to be desired in terms of performance. At any rate, Alienware USED TO BE rebadged Clevo and Sager laptops. Which is when I would suggest not buying them and just going to Sager, sager notebooks, sager laptops, sager computers, sager electronics, sager np8890 But the new Alienwares, the M15x and shit are new chassis and platforms from inhouse. Which is why I would buy them.

^^ HUH?

Ya there are only a few cards to choose from and they are all $500 plus unless I missed a cheaper one. I got a better card in my desktop for $100, so thats why I dont want to spend money on it.

Uh, no, there are tons of cards to choose from. Every GPU thats out for desktop usually has a MXM Counterpart. Yes they do average like 100-200$ more than a desktop gpu. But thats because they're harder to make.

I guess its not worth it imo to get a nice card in a labtop. Thank you for helping me out tho man! I might grab a cheap one just to keep it living a little longer.

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Didn't want to start a new thread for this as im not sure, but rumor is that the new htc 5" phone is gonna be labeled the "nexus 5" . If this is true, this is hands down the best featured phone to date.

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fuck apple. that is all.

As someone who works in manufacturing who has to deal with competitors in Asia trying to rip off our intellectual property, I say "stick it to 'um".

Some of the South Korean companies are the worst about this...

i wouldnt really say that its outdated forsay. The I5 was outdated the day it came out. I mean come on! A 4 inch screen? the S2 has 4.3. 1ish mhz cpu and 1 gig of ram? the S2 has that if not more. I really think in regards to hardware specs, Android will always be superior and updates are always comming. Plus, if you dont want to wait for the official release you can always flash a customer Rom. My boys S2 is running Cyanogenmod 9 and he loves it. My s3 is rooted and ill never ever go back to stock. Just so much one is able to do.

they basically won the original lawsuit because the jury foreman had a complete misunderstanding of what the definition of "prior art" actually is. Either that, or he chose not to understand it on purpose because he is actually a patent holder himself, and it would invalidate his patents on that level. Not to mention 95% of the people in this country don't know shit about the technology that they are walking around with inside of their own pockets. So when you get a jury of your own peers, well, you know...

Did you know Samsung actually makes about 30% of the components inside of the iphone? The also make the new "retina display." So who is ripping off who? :poke:

i was actually looking for that article. good to know that apples verdict was swayed.

honestly I could care less about huge screens. If I wanted a large screen I'd buy a tablet. Also for being so outdated it sure is benchmarking well ahead of every other smartphone out right now.

I went and looked at the HTC oneX and the GS3 but I just was not a fan, cause honestly I was considering the GS3.

Just b/c one segment of Samsung signs a contract to produce a product of Apple's own design as a toll manufacturer doesn't give another segment of Samsung the ability to rip off other Apple IP...

Complete non-sequitur...

I know, samsung is a massive conglomerate. But I believe this type of behavior by apple hinders competition and further segments future device potential. didn't mean to come off as harsh like that.

I kind of hate how closed apple is as a company in terms of both software and hardware. google is no saint either, but they did the world a huge favor by developing android under the apache software license. android is developed openly, and apple sees the threat and is trying to crush it.