Any meth questions i am bored

[ilusch]

Is there a difference between runing methanol or ethanol?

I ask couse its hard to get meth in germany cause it is not allowed to ship it, ..., but ethanol i can get everywhere!

So can i run ethanol with no disadvantages to meth?

What is best meth or ethanol? and why?

Thanks

[ilusch]

i have still the question meth or ethanol?

[DevilsOwn]

Yes there is a difference between the 2. I reocmend running methanol over ethanol because in our testing it made more power. Probley for the same reason you see people run straight methanol for a fuel but you don't see people run sraight ethanol for a fluid. As

Its just another notch down but it will work fine for you. We sell lots of kits to germany and thats what most all of them run because the laws are very strict.

[speedms6]

A question. My mods are listed in my sig., just basic, can i run the basic stage 1 kit, with the meth coming on around 8 psi and constant flow? I am interested in getting a meth. inj. kit, and was also wondering, with my current level of mods will it make that big of a difference? Eventually I plane on getting a test pipe and new tmic, and hopefully some sort of tuning whether it be cobb or cp-e. So to sum it up, I just want to know if it would be beneficial and safe to run the stage 1 kit? haha a lot for just that question.

and what nozzle size would you recommend?

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by speedms6 A question. My mods are listed in my sig., just basic, can i run the basic stage 1 kit, with the meth coming on around 8 psi and constant flow? I am interested in getting a meth. inj. kit, and was also wondering, with my current level of mods will it make that big of a difference? Eventually I plane on getting a test pipe and new tmic, and hopefully some sort of tuning whether it be cobb or cp-e. So to sum it up, I just want to know if it would be beneficial and safe to run the stage 1 kit? haha a lot for just that question. and what nozzle size would you recommend?

You're better off just spending the bit more and getting the kit with the progressive controller. This way you can turn up the meth as you mod more. Even stock cars can benefit from meth. Meth will, in effect, up your fuel octane rating when in boost, therefore reducing the chance of knock while in boost.

You should start with the D03 nozzle until you are modded more...

[DevilsOwn]

Any more questions ?

[lenny127]

i have a question............

how long does it take to purge the air out by driving into boost viz nozzle cuz im too lazy to either power up the pump manually via battery or disconnecting tubing from check valve to allow more rapid flow until it squirts......


2 days and still no meth damnit. no need to answer, im just complaining rather than doing it right lol

[BoostedBlack6]

Hey your better than me Lenny. I've had mine and just haven't installed it because i need to find a way to mount it. Thats how lazy i am.

[lenny127]

well, took 2.5 days to purge that way....i just didnt feel like digging for the pump wires to purge manually.


btw turbo 2.3..... i mounted a meth pump on a speed6 with a cpe fmic.....u have some bracing that came with the fmic....bend it and mount it up front.....ill see if danems6 has pics...his is the car i mounted the pump on .

[danems6]

sorry for the late reply i was on vacation for the weekend and couldnt reach a computer.

[nynhex]

I had PM'd you but figured I'd ask here.

I have a 2010 MS3 (yes, I know wrong forum) and I'm looking to get started with meth injection. I will be 3/4 bolted very soon (SRI, TIP, RP, CBE, BOV, and possibly a bigger TMIC) with a DP, HPFP, and a FMIC way down the road (tuning issues).

Right now the 2010 has no tuning options so without a tune and being somewhat bolted, what nozzle would you recommend and what mixture? I was looking at 30/70 since I'm not tuned but would like some feedback.

Also, what's the best place to tap the nozzle? I've seen a lot of people drill the cold pipe by the throttle body but have also seen a few tap the boost tube itself and insert the nozzle.

I've heard of some kits that read boost pressure directly from the manifold but I see people splicing into the MAP. Is this for the progressive controller?

Sorry for all the questions, last Meth kit I had was a manual switch under the gas pedal 10 years ago.

[DevilsOwn]

Sorry i was not getting emails about this thread, I answered them all over pm or phone i believe. If any other questions let me know.

[nynhex]

Not sure if all my questions were answered. I'm getting the Stage 2 kit so I have room to grow (and I like the fact the controller will read from a boost line, I hate splicing into sensor wires). That being said I'm about to be 60% bolted (SRI/TIP/BOV/TMIC/RP/CBE) and would like to run meth but I don't have a tuning option.

Has anyone here ran 50/50 or 100% untuned? If so what were your results? Did you get too rich? ECU adjust itself? Any problems? DO has answered most of my questions regarding the kit but I'd like to get some real-world info from gen1/gen2 owners that have ran meth untuned and lived to tell about it.

[hnda etr]

Originally Posted by nynhex Not sure if all my questions were answered. I'm getting the Stage 2 kit so I have room to grow (and I like the fact the controller will read from a boost line, I hate splicing into sensor wires). That being said I'm about to be 60% bolted (SRI/TIP/BOV/TMIC/RP/CBE) and would like to run meth but I don't have a tuning option. Has anyone here ran 50/50 or 100% untuned? If so what were your results? Did you get too rich? ECU adjust itself? Any problems? DO has answered most of my questions regarding the kit but I'd like to get some real-world info from gen1/gen2 owners that have ran meth untuned and lived to tell about it.

You should run off of the MAP sensor instead of the boost/vacuum hose - more accurate I would think...

I run 50/50 with the D05 nozzle no problems... I run an OTS map with the AP, so I'm not sure if you mean untuned as in no ECU tweak at all, or just no pro tune?

You'll be fine running meth with no ECU tweaks...

You should just call Chance at DO and talk to him if you have questions, don't rely on him to reply to threads... His wife has him on lockdown

Chance is a very honest guy, he wouldn't bullshit you just to get your sale.

[nynhex]

Originally Posted by hnda etr You should run off of the MAP sensor instead of the boost/vacuum hose - more accurate I would think... I run 50/50 with the D05 nozzle no problems... I run an OTS map with the AP, so I'm not sure if you mean untuned as in no ECU tweak at all, or just no pro tune? You'll be fine running meth with no ECU tweaks... You should just call Chance at DO and talk to him if you have questions, don't rely on him to reply to threads... His wife has him on lockdown Chance is a very honest guy, he wouldn't bullshit you just to get your sale.

Yes untuned as in stock ECU no tweaks/tuning options (gen2). I'll give him a call this week, last time I called his wife said he was mixing plutonium or something.

[holeinmypocket]

Originally Posted by nynhex Yes untuned as in stock ECU no tweaks/tuning options (gen2). I'll give him a call this week, last time I called his wife said he was mixing plutonium or something.

CPE came out with their Standback for the 2010 MS3 look into it

[phillyREPOphail]

there's a stage two do kit that runs off a vac line?
i thought they only had map and voltage controllers.

[nynhex]

Originally Posted by phillyb there's a stage two do kit that runs off a vac line? i thought they only had map and voltage controllers.

According to Chance, the stage 2 will pull from the map or vacuum line. Again, I'm just a bit nervous tapping the map. Remember gen2 guys have no balls.

[phillyREPOphail]

hahahaha.
yeah, i just im'ed him, he says there is a controller for that. that's pretty cool. i thought it was the map of bust.

Devil, the other day i did several WOT runs and when i got back i filled up my meth tank but it didn't fill up that much for how many pulls i did. Then i went out again and did a few more runs, Less this time and when i came home to refill my meth tank it took 2 times as much much to fill then before with many more runs. What does that mean? controller malfunction? pump only pumping sometimes or not to full capacity? i feel like its always done this since i got the kit. it doesn't seem to spray with consistency

[SpeedSixxx]

how much for a gram shipped to ny?

[holeinmypocket]

Originally Posted by nynhex According to Chance, the stage 2 will pull from the map or vacuum line. Again, I'm just a bit nervous tapping the map. Remember gen2 guys have no balls.

a little off topic but this one guy with a '10 ms3 left me a youtube comment saying that he is fully bolted and ran nitrous on his car...i am curious to see if he will be the first '10 ms3 to blow

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx how much for a gram shipped to ny?

lmao u never seem to suprise me SpeedSixxx

[DevilsOwn]

hnda etr
i am not on lockdown yet I just get pulled in 10thousand directions each day so i have issues keeping up sometimes with things I do try hard. Best way is to bug me on the phone. I do plan on highering somone soon to help.

18psiWhiteMS3 I am not sure why you are expercing that. Maybe the system is loosing prime and then its repriming part of your first runs. If you have the v2 controller that has a orange and yellow wire. Where the pump is hooked up to the battery directly you can put a momntary switch to ground on the blue wire going to the pump. So you will be applying a ground to the wire when you push the button.

Might also check the check valve and see if its got dirt in it. Just need to take 2 9/16" wrenches and check for dirt.

[AllStar80]

ok, so what is causing the AFR to lean out when spraying Meth/Water? I'm running a M3 nozzle and 50/50 mix.

I been running Meth/Water in my Speed6 for at least a year now. 2 weekends ago there was a club meet & dyno day. So the night before I pulled my plugs just to check them. Well to my shock, cylinders 1 and 3 had white chalky plugs! Which means I'm running hot and lean. I thought with Meth/Water your AFR got richer not leaner.

So anyways to proove this more, while on the dyno we ran the car both with the Meth/Water and without the Meth/Water. When we ran the car with Meth/Water the car actually loast HP, only 3 HP but a loss and the AFR was leaner than when we ran the car without the Meth/Water on.

Is this because the Meth/Water is not being entered into each cylinder equally? I think our OEM intake mani's have a air flow issue and the Meth/Water isn't being equally distributed to all cylinders causing 2 cylinders to lean out. Cuz cylinder 2's plug had a little whiteness to it but was a light chocolate color.

Cylinder 3's plug was the worst on being white and chalky.

Also a friend of mine with a turbo'd RX8 who is running Meth/Water injection ran on the dyno that day. We wanted to test to see if his car would react the same way mine did being on Meth/Water or without.

Well guess what! He lost 9 HP on Meth/Water and his AFR went leaner to. We asked the guy running the dyno why is this. He said that every car he has seen running Meth/Water actually loses HP when spraying. And the only time that he has seen a HP gain is when people have tuned the timming very agressively to get the most out of the Meth/Water. But tunning the timming to harsh limits can equal complete caos if something stops working in your Meth injection system! If you advance timming a shit load you better have the money in your account for something will eventually go BOOM!

[SpeedSixxx]

Originally Posted by DevilsOwn hnda etr i am not on lockdown yet I just get pulled in 10thousand directions each day so i have issues keeping up sometimes with things I do try hard. Best way is to bug me on the phone. I do plan on highering somone soon to help. 18psiWhiteMS3 I am not sure why you are expercing that. Maybe the system is loosing prime and then its repriming part of your first runs. If you have the v2 controller that has a orange and yellow wire. Where the pump is hooked up to the battery directly you can put a momntary switch to ground on the blue wire going to the pump. So you will be applying a ground to the wire when you push the button. Might also check the check valve and see if its got dirt in it. Just need to take 2 9/16" wrenches and check for dirt.

ummm how about maybe answering my question? do you ever expect to get new customers by ignoring em...

fuck it i'll buy me a labonte meth system...they at least answer my questions..

[lenny127]

^^ banned from thread for being a fag

[DevilsOwn]

Originally Posted by AllStar80 ok, so what is causing the AFR to lean out when spraying Meth/Water? I'm running a M3 nozzle and 50/50 mix. I been running Meth/Water in my Speed6 for at least a year now. 2 weekends ago there was a club meet & dyno day. So the night before I pulled my plugs just to check them. Well to my shock, cylinders 1 and 3 had white chalky plugs! Which means I'm running hot and lean. I thought with Meth/Water your AFR got richer not leaner. So anyways to proove this more, while on the dyno we ran the car both with the Meth/Water and without the Meth/Water. When we ran the car with Meth/Water the car actually loast HP, only 3 HP but a loss and the AFR was leaner than when we ran the car without the Meth/Water on. Is this because the Meth/Water is not being entered into each cylinder equally? I think our OEM intake mani's have a air flow issue and the Meth/Water isn't being equally distributed to all cylinders causing 2 cylinders to lean out. Cuz cylinder 2's plug had a little whiteness to it but was a light chocolate color. Cylinder 3's plug was the worst on being white and chalky. Also a friend of mine with a turbo'd RX8 who is running Meth/Water injection ran on the dyno that day. We wanted to test to see if his car would react the same way mine did being on Meth/Water or without. Well guess what! He lost 9 HP on Meth/Water and his AFR went leaner to. We asked the guy running the dyno why is this. He said that every car he has seen running Meth/Water actually loses HP when spraying. And the only time that he has seen a HP gain is when people have tuned the timming very agressively to get the most out of the Meth/Water. But tunning the timming to harsh limits can equal complete caos if something stops working in your Meth injection system! If you advance timming a shit load you better have the money in your account for something will eventually go BOOM!

What size nozzle are you running? Did you have it tuned after you installed the meth kit? What exactly are your AFRs?

I had a suby guy thinking that was having problems with his vehicle and losing power with the meth on. turns out, his plugs were fouled from oil blow by and wasn't getting a complete burn off the meth which was amplified once meth was injected. installed a catch can and new plugs. the thing runs strooooong.

[lenny127]

if i may, what people sometimes do not understand is that meth/water injection kits are not power adders.

they simply allow you to run a tune that would be unsafe for your motor by raising the chemical/physical limits of the combustion.

let me see if i can explain the scenario

say you have a car that is not starving for fuel and its turbocharged and runs 20psi...... you get no knock....plugs look great......car runs like a champ....nothing overheats or acts abnormal.........well, getting a meth kit for this car would be pointless if you had no intention of tuning beyond where it was at.

now.......say you take the same car......but you got tired of the 20psi and you want to run 23psi but....... soon as you do.....car starts detonating .......exhaust gas temps are rocketing sky high.......plugs start looking like pottery in an oven etc etc......then enter the meth/water kit..........and once you use it you will see that now you can run the 23psi tune that you couldnt run before and it will yield more hp than the no meth tune of 20psi

so in the end.......taking any fueling issues out of the equation (because alot of us run compromised fuel pumps) meth/water kit doesn't add horsepower, it just raises the limits of how you can achieve it


does that about sum it up???

p.s. I run 20-22psi tune that without meth my car would ping like crazy and break off spark plug tips (its happened to me before when meth has run out) , without the kit my car couldnt handle more than 18 psi

[Lex]

Originally Posted by 18psiWhiteMS3 Devil, the other day i did several WOT runs and when i got back i filled up my meth tank but it didn't fill up that much for how many pulls i did. Then i went out again and did a few more runs, Less this time and when i came home to refill my meth tank it took 2 times as much much to fill then before with many more runs. What does that mean? controller malfunction? pump only pumping sometimes or not to full capacity? i feel like its always done this since i got the kit. it doesn't seem to spray with consistency

Maybe under load some of your tubing is leaking or letting air in. This can cause some inconsistency. Watch your BATs to see if meth is spraying all the time.

[lenny127]

i know most of u as do i run the stage 2 controller within visible range to see the proper lights light up to tell u its working but,,,..............

aside from my gauges i use the dashhawk to monitor daily 3 things constantly


KR, AFR and BAT

the last i monitor because i am always going WOT and if i ever run out of meth ill know immediately because the BAT wont drop anywhere near the same rate.

so.....use your dh to confirm always that your shits spraying and working fine

[AllStar80]

Originally Posted by DevilsOwn What size nozzle are you running? Did you have it tuned after you installed the meth kit? What exactly are your AFRs? I had a suby guy thinking that was having problems with his vehicle and losing power with the meth on. turns out, his plugs were fouled from oil blow by and wasn't getting a complete burn off the meth which was amplified once meth was injected. installed a catch can and new plugs. the thing runs strooooong.

Using a M3 nozzle, my AFR at the highest point is 11.73 with the meth on and my car is tuned with a Cobb AP but only at stock boost levels right now, at the end of april I'll be having the car dyno tuned to 17 or 18 psi. I too have a ctach can, but have not put new plugs in yet. Car only has 30K and I've never seen my plugs looking white like this til recently. So maybe this weekend I'll put some new ones in. I was thinking of going with the denso's 1 step colder, but I remember someone saying that maybe the stock plugs work better with meth. Don't know

When the car is dyno tuned, i was thinking of having the AFR set to 11.5 with meth on just to stay in the safer zone.

[DevilsOwn]

Originally Posted by AllStar80 Using a M3 nozzle, my AFR at the highest point is 11.73 with the meth on and my car is tuned with a Cobb AP but only at stock boost levels right now, at the end of april I'll be having the car dyno tuned to 17 or 18 psi. I too have a ctach can, but have not put new plugs in yet. Car only has 30K and I've never seen my plugs looking white like this til recently. So maybe this weekend I'll put some new ones in. I was thinking of going with the denso's 1 step colder, but I remember someone saying that maybe the stock plugs work better with meth. Don't know When the car is dyno tuned, i was thinking of having the AFR set to 11.5 with meth on just to stay in the safer zone.

You may talk to your tuner and see if maybe you need to run a little more methanol/water. There are ways you can inject into the individual intake runners, however, it may be as simple as changing your nozzle size. I recommend tuning your vehicle to a level that if you ever run out of methanol on accident or something of that nature, you aren't running the vehicle on such a dangerous tune as to cause damage.

[phillyREPOphail]

i run meth without a tune. i should do a log and see how rich my afrs get.
hahah.
before meth (well actually, i'm only spraying water) stock tune brings me into the 10's on the top end.
question about when bats should lower, i normally notice the bats lowering after i let go of throttle.
in lenny's car, i believe bats lower as he's flooring it.
he has fmic, i'm running tmic.
is anyone else noticing something similar to my "issue"?

[AllStar80]

Originally Posted by phillyb i run meth without a tune. i should do a log and see how rich my afrs get. hahah. before meth (well actually, i'm only spraying water) stock tune brings me into the 10's on the top end. question about when bats should lower, i normally notice the bats lowering after i let go of throttle. in lenny's car, i believe bats lower as he's flooring it. he has fmic, i'm running tmic. is anyone else noticing something similar to my "issue"?

Not 100% sure if I'm right but water only cools the combustion process and the meth is what is cooling the BAT's. It's highly evaporative and thats why you see the temp drop farely fast but it also rises fast after your off the meth.

[tbot]

Philly I've got a top mount and run 30/70 meth/water and the same scenario happens with my car. It's always been like that, never questioned it.


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[AllStar80]

Originally Posted by DevilsOwn You may talk to your tuner and see if maybe you need to run a little more methanol/water. There are ways you can inject into the individual intake runners, however, it may be as simple as changing your nozzle size. I recommend tuning your vehicle to a level that if you ever run out of methanol on accident or something of that nature, you aren't running the vehicle on such a dangerous tune as to cause damage.

Correction to my statement of me running a M3 nozzle. I pulled it out lastnight to change the erroded O-ring and uh yeah......... I'm using a M5 nozzle.

[spike589]

I gonna buy the stage 2 kit and was wondering what you recommend for fluid and mixture to get my octane up. Im in alaska and the highest octane is shitty 90octane. I use 13oz of torco to comppensate to 92 so my car runs as advertised. I wish to stop using torco to compensate for octane and decrease KR and heat soak(lol yes cars get hot in alaska) and what mixture to run in the winter. Also do you recommend the the baffled container with the 1/4 in thick plastic for my vehicle seeing as it sits outside 16hrs of the day in up to -15 degrees 7 months of the year. You have a vendor up here but not to knowlegeable on your product

[DevilsOwn]

Originally Posted by phillyb i run meth without a tune. i should do a log and see how rich my afrs get. hahah. before meth (well actually, i'm only spraying water) stock tune brings me into the 10's on the top end. question about when bats should lower, i normally notice the bats lowering after i let go of throttle. in lenny's car, i believe bats lower as he's flooring it. he has fmic, i'm running tmic. is anyone else noticing something similar to my "issue"?

yes i have seen it do it that way before. not an issues i just think it's a sign the nozzle may be to small for the application.

Originally Posted by spike589 I gonna buy the stage 2 kit and was wondering what you recommend for fluid and mixture to get my octane up. Im in alaska and the highest octane is shitty 90octane. I use 13oz of torco to comppensate to 92 so my car runs as advertised. I wish to stop using torco to compensate for octane and decrease KR and heat soak(lol yes cars get hot in alaska) and what mixture to run in the winter. Also do you recommend the the baffled container with the 1/4 in thick plastic for my vehicle seeing as it sits outside 16hrs of the day in up to -15 degrees 7 months of the year. You have a vendor up here but not to knowlegeable on your product

I recomend running a 50/50 mix of water and methanol. its not going to freeze. I don't see any issues with extreme cold and the tank as long as flud does not freeze.

I don't believe i have any dealers up there. can you pm me who?

[spike589]

Thanks appreciate it I will do that. Ill hit up your website and compare it to what the vendor here says. But I think just for peace of mind Im gona go threw U.

[origjdm3]

Im kinda off the subject here but i figured i just chim in, hope thats ok! Well i my myself am looking to buy a meth kit! Now someone was saying that relying off the boost isnt really the best so does DO go off the map volt to release? If not i know snow performance kit does and im kinda leaning towards this kit only cuz i do like the guage to watch the flow! So any advice or route i should take tell me im all hears, thanks