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Default Cp-e or PTP fuel pumps?

Which pump do people prefer?

Price wise PTP's pump looks better
but isn't there no break in period with CP-e's?

Also, I seen around a few people having trouble with PTP's pump but never seen anyone complain about CP-e's
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i havnt seen one thread that showed benefits of one pump over the other
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you dont see any cpe troubles (there have been some) because hardly anyone has one...

but the playing field is more level now that PTP has their own test/break-in rig....

both are great choices
both companies have lifetime warranty
ptp offers a complete pump as well as internal parts only


im running PTP internals that were installed a few weeks back... still running awesome...
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you dont see any cpe troubles (there have been some) because hardly anyone has one...

but the playing field is more level now that PTP has their own test/break-in rig....

both are great choices
both companies have lifetime warranty
ptp offers a complete pump as well as internal parts only


im running PTP internals that were installed a few weeks back... still running awesome...
so now if you buy a complete pump from ptp you no longer have to go through the break in period?
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Bottom line is this : If both of these pumps were the same price 9 out 0f 10 of us would go with the Cp-e pump.....BUT that is not the case and the Cp-e pump is twice as freakin expensive !!! This is my second post to this forum BUT I know a lot about my '07 MS3 But I have come to realize that everyone is different when it comes to modifying , So I take everything I read with a grain of salt and I respect ALL of everyones opinions...If that makes any sense...lol
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i havnt seen one thread that showed benefits of one pump over the other
ah ppl never do see threads that answer the question
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i had 2 ptp pump in a period of a month.... they both failed.... i wasnt gonna stick around for another install/uninstall on a ptp pump.
got the cpe pump... my troubles ended...

i was so pissed of when the ptp pumps where causing issues, i seriously considered driving to socal mitsubishi (im from arizona) for a badass deal I was getting on an evo X mr....

i gave it one last chance with the cpe pump.... fell back in love with my car. fuck the overpriced evo
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i had 2 ptp pump in a period of a month.... they both failed.... i wasnt gonna stick around for another install/uninstall on a ptp pump.
got the cpe pump... my troubles ended...

i was so pissed of when the ptp pumps where causing issues, i seriously considered driving to socal mitsubishi (im from arizona) for a badass deal I was getting on an evo X mr....

i gave it one last chance with the cpe pump.... fell back in love with my car. fuck the overpriced evo
did you get just internals or the whole pump?
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oh... and i do wanna point out that... that break in period shit?.... thats all excuses for all the fuckin fail they had.... how come ptp never had problems with "break in" a while back when the batches where better?....

i talked to john.... cool dude, good customer service... he told me a bunch of stuff to keep hope in his product.... but the truth is... u cant bullshit your way into becoming a succesful company. your product speaks for itself.

i got the whole pump... twice... exactly to avoid any issues on the installation

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i had 2 ptp pump in a period of a month.... they both failed.... i wasnt gonna stick around for another install/uninstall on a ptp pump.
got the cpe pump... my troubles ended...

i was so pissed of when the ptp pumps where causing issues, i seriously considered driving to socal mitsubishi (im from arizona) for a badass deal I was getting on an evo X mr....

i gave it one last chance with the cpe pump.... fell back in love with my car. fuck the overpriced evo
Same story over here, 2 failed PTP pumps. my third and final pump will be placed in the mail today by John. last 2 pump same story never broke in over 3k miles on those pumps it sucked, i haven gotten into boost since February................

Im hoping 3rd time is a charm if not, fuck these pumps just give me a damn working stocker again.
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i've no experience with the cpe pump, and i've not personally touched or installed john's pump, but my vote goes to cpe due to a few facts.
1) no break in
2) tested
3) there have been very few cpe pump failures
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I'm leaning towards the PTP pump when I get around to doing the fuel pump mainly because of the price and it still comes with the lifetime warranty. There's a breakin period from what I gather but it's only 100 miles which really isn't that bad.. I just don't know if I can justify double the price for a CP-E..
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I'm leaning towards the PTP pump when I get around to doing the fuel pump mainly because of the price and it still comes with the lifetime warranty. There's a breakin period from what I gather but it's only 100 miles which really isn't that bad.. I just don't know if I can justify double the price for a CP-E..
do some reading about the break in period.
do some reading about the ptp pumps.
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i've no experience with the cpe pump, and i've not personally touched or installed john's pump, but my vote goes to cpe due to a few facts.
1) no break in
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3) there have been very few cpe pump failures
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how many threads do we need about this?
show me where this has been discussed before
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there have been lots of threads, though i don't think there was ever ANY definitive answer to which is "better" cause i don't think that question can really be answered.
when working properly, they both perform the same, and they both perform well.
getting a cpe pump to perform is easier.
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so now if you buy a complete pump from ptp you no longer have to go through the break in period?
The rig is in the process if being built..
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my understanding that the machine that apr uses is very costly...i'm curious to know what kind of setup you guys will have at ptp
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my understanding that the machine that apr uses is very costly...i'm curious to know what kind of setup you guys will have at ptp
very extensive.. 6inch soft touch display, logic controls, multi phase inverter, full excel spread sheet showing pump pressure and flow across a range of RPMs, Many more features that will take forever to list. It is just as good or better then the current pump testing equipment on the market.

It will be from anywhere of 25,000 to 30,000 to build it, and our pumps will still be way more affordable.

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show me where this has been discussed before
it has been discussed on our section and i think three times in this section.. it might not be the comparing of the pumps... but it pretty much states the same shit... PTP pump have some fails and cpe has barley anyways.. Doesn't matter how you word the headline the contents in the thread is pretty similar shit, besides the poll at the top.

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very extensive.. 6inch soft touch display, logic controls, multi phase inverter, full excel spread sheet showing pump pressure and flow across a range of RPMs, Many more features that will take forever to list. It is just as good or better then the current pump testing equipment on the market.

It will be from anywhere of 25,000 to 30,000 to build it, and our pumps will still be way more affordable.
i'm not curious about features...i'm more curious about the build and the actual hardware.
like oil supply, gas supply and shit like that.
is there a thread about your machine already?
so i can watch the build?
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i'm not curious about features...i'm more curious about the build and the actual hardware.
like oil supply, gas supply and shit like that.
is there a thread about your machine already?
so i can watch the build?
no we are not gonna release the process of the build.. those rights are reserved to us. Don't need it being copied before we release it.. ya know?
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copied?
it's a fucking machine that supplies oil and gas and pumps the pump...
anyone with the right equipment and know-how should be able to make the same machine regardless of your setup.
and aren't those rights actually reserved for apr?
or are you taking a different approach with your machine?
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there's more than one way to build a FP testing rig, and i can completely respect that PTP would want to keep the exact design of the rig proprietary. this isn't shit you just write FAQs for, because it's a matter of protecting your business.

i would definitely like to hear about what it does during the testing when the build is complete, though. that would give the end user a lot more information to base their judgement.
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eventhough there was an issue with my PTP being that they were made during the winter time, John took care of me and everyone else.

PTP gets my vote
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eventhough there was an issue with my PTP being that they were made during the winter time, John took care of me and everyone else.

PTP gets my vote
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copied?
it's a fucking machine that supplies oil and gas and pumps the pump...
anyone with the right equipment and know-how should be able to make the same machine regardless of your setup.
and aren't those rights actually reserved for apr?
or are you taking a different approach with your machine?
we are taking a different approach.. so you need to calm the fuck down turbo!

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Ours are apparently a bit more costly but there is a reason they sell out within 24 hours of being in stock every time we finish a production run on them

Pam - careful with 240speed3...his word is dangerous. Last company he was a huge fan boy of was raceroots haha. Also Pam - on a lighter note - tell John I met up with Tim in NY (I am from DC and he is in Maine) and we street tuned the car. I beat the hell out of it and put those new seal designs through a rigorous day of pulls. They seem to be holding well!!! Long term testing will obvious show more but so far GREAT WORK!!!
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Ours are apparently a bit more costly but there is a reason they sell out within 24 hours of being in stock every time we finish a production run on them

Pam - careful with 240speed3...his word is dangerous. Last company he was a huge fan boy of was raceroots haha. Also Pam - on a lighter note - tell John I met up with Tim in NY (I am from DC and he is in Maine) and we street tuned the car. I beat the hell out of it and put those new seal designs through a rigorous day of pulls. They seem to be holding well!!! Long term testing will obvious show more but so far GREAT WORK!!!
Thanks for you comment and your input CPE!
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do either of you two companies have any in stock right now?
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We finish production runs quite often. We put orders on lists and as the runs finish they ship out to those orders. To figure out stock you can call Paula (website for the #) and ask. They just sell out instantly when they are on the shelves because they have the best stats on this platform. As far as I know only 1 or 2 have failed in the 3-4 years they've been out and one was because the customer dropped it, it cracked pretty badly and the person installed it anyway.
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I would go CP-e. PTP can be shady at times...for example them claiming there is a "break in period". From all my epxereince with pumps (I was one of the guys that went through 4 fucked internals from Carpe diem, etc.) with myself, and 2 other guys that have MS3s...there is no break in period.

It either works...or it doesnt. It all depends on the lubrication of the internals, and the tolerance between the piston and the sleeve. You can feel the the friction before you put the pump in the car, and I coudl tell you from how smooth it operates if its going to fail or not. I strongly believe that PTP brought up this whole "break in period" bullshit because they needed an excuse to say why their pump internals would fail (if they do).

Now if CP-e wants to chime in and tell me wrong, I'd appreciate it, but until then I'll stand by my opinion. I know CP-e has a test bench, however I believe they do that because they are very high on quality control, and realize how finicky these internals are. Not because they need to "break them in". Like I said...from all of my expereince with 7 pump internals (including CP-e), they either had the right tolerances and were correctly lubricated from the start...or they weren't. "break in" did not matter.
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PTP has my vote... ive been running there internals without a problem since day one.. which was almost a year ago.. ive put over 20k miles on them since.
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30k miles, over a year and I still see ~2000psi at WOT. PTP gets my vote.
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I'm leaning towards the PTP pump when I get around to doing the fuel pump mainly because of the price and it still comes with the lifetime warranty. There's a breakin period from what I gather but it's only 100 miles which really isn't that bad.. I just don't know if I can justify double the price for a CP-E..
My thoughts mirrored yours at first. I bought a PTP pump back in mid-May - it failed.
I received a full refund and bought the CPE pump. Can't explain the frustration when the PTP pump failed - my car sat in the garage for over a week. It was a disappointment and major inconvenience. The "failed" syndrome sucks ass.
The CPE pump is working great with no issues at all. I'm happy now.
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My thoughts mirrored yours at first. I bought a PTP pump back in mid-May - it failed.
I received a full refund and bought the CPE pump. Can't explain the frustration when the PTP pump failed - my car sat in the garage for over a week. It was a disappointment and major inconvenience. The "failed" syndrome sucks ass.
The CPE pump is working great with no issues at all. I'm happy now.
I most likely won't be doing this until next year since I won't be getting a TMIC + DP until then so hopefully PTP can perfect their product even more. I know they're trying and they're a good company, I don't know why their pumps randomly fail for people.
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whoever gives the best price... (*hint* i wanna buy a fp *hint*)
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