hpfpupgrade internals instant feedback & review

[jack_hammer]

this is "instant feedback" since i have only put about 150 miles on them so far. the review will come after i put some mileage on them.

i ordered these before john was banned. we exchanged a few PMs back and forth about the parts. eventually, i ordered my internals directly from the hpfpupgrade website. i got tracking info in a day or so, and the parts arrived within a couple of days. included were the internals, as well as a pair of rubber gloves (driving home the importance of keeping this stuff clean), an installation tool, and directions. the last page of the directions was the break-in procedure for the internals.

the directions were helpful, but more helpful was the video below.

20080122010654 - YouTube

20080122010654 - YouTube

between the two, i don't see how anyone could botch this install. i spent more time removing / installing the pump on the block than i did in the actual internal swap. the level of detail in the instructions went so far as to tell you which direction to turn the fuel line clips to remove them. they were very specific and walked you through the steps on a mazda, not the steps on a VW.

my pump was pretty dirty, and i used carb/choke cleaner in combination with qtips to get it clean. no problems there.

the fuel pressure on my car is holding just fine so far. i have not had a chance to do any data logging, though. but monitoring from my aeroforce gauge, i can see the fuel pressure is in the 1750 range where it was previously in the 1600 maybe 1625 range. at full throttle, i'm seeing over 1800 psi, but i'm not staring at the gauge when flooring it, so i can't give exact numbers until i data log.

so, the last thing i want to mention is why hpfpupgrade instead of autotech, kmd, or cpe. cpe was out because i didn't want to buy an entire pump. the cpe pumps fail. cpe sucks at refunds, exchanges, core related stuff, etc. i'm not interested in going down that path.

kmd has taken a real hit lately in their reputation as well. so they were out.

that left me to choose between autotech and hpfpupgrade. i think autotech's are probably fine to purchase. i don't have anything negative to say about them. but these are the reasons i went with hpfpupgrade.

1) hpfpupgrade is made for mazdas. sure, they are the same as the VW pumps. but go to the autotech site. there is nothing about mazda there. at all. hpfpupgrade builds parts for mazdas.

2) hpfpupgrade tests their internals and pumps. they have a machine to do quality control there. if they ran into a "bad batch" they would be able to catch it before they start going to the public.

3) buying from hpfpupgrade is buying from the manufacturer. no need to have a vendor try to intervene on my behalf should a problem arise.

4) they have a lifetime warranty. and in one of john's posts before he was re-banned, he said he'd let that warranty be transferred. not that i plan to sell, but i think it shows how much he stands by his products.

5) i have not heard of anyone having problems with the hpfpupgrade internals since they were redesigned. and as much hate as this forum has for john, i feel very confident any problems would have been so thoroughly documented that they would be impossible to miss.

6) they reuse the factory retaining clips. i have heard of situations where the autotech/kmd pieces have shattered, broken, been lost, shipped with the wrong pieces. i did not want that headache.

7) the fact that it's used on Erich 's car is not much of a selling point. but i think it shows hpfpupgrade is capable of created a fueling solution that will meet my low power goals. so i need to acknowledge i took that into consideration, even though i would have bought the internals for reasons 1-6 alone.


<edit may 2012>
3500 miles after less than 2 months. everything is working just fine. i got 99 problems but fuel ain't one.

<edit march 2013>
i'm at about 13,000 miles and running strong.

[SofaKingAwesome]

nice writeup!

[mrdouble99]

Me to i'm very interested in that HPFP internal upgrade and the price is good.

[Tokay444]

I did mine on the weekend. No problems to report.

[Jeremy3eb]

Cool write up.

[rghispanic88]

im happy with my Auto techs

that faggot thinks his shit dont stink, so FUCK JOHN

just my personal opinion. dont mind me

[m4tic]

Ahem I got a new set sitting here. Buybuybuy.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 im happy with my Auto techs that faggot thinks his shit dont stink, so FUCK JOHN just my personal opinion. dont mind me

With well written testimonials against John like this, it is amazing anybody buys his products. So full of useful and valuable information.

[jack_hammer]

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 im happy with my Auto techs that faggot thinks his shit dont stink, so FUCK JOHN just my personal opinion. dont mind me

good thing stinky shit isn't a requirement to make good parts.

[jack_hammer]

update:
i'm at 3500 miles so far. i am holding pressure with no problem.

[Code Monkey]

Sweet, I am installing mine tomorrow, I got a complete stage 2 pump.

[jack_hammer]

holy shit, dude. stage two for just the mods in your sig? lol... that's overkill, isn't it?

[Code Monkey]

There will be an upgraded turbo coming in the future and I'd rather pay once and be done with the pump

[Tokay444]

I'm at probably double that many miles, at least 15000kms and I also have no issues with my internals from ptp.

[Speeden6]

i just pulled my HPFP and put Autotechs in! AUTOTECH FTW!!!!!!!!

anyone want my HPFP they are about 5K deep.

[Speeden6]

alright, this is EXACTLY why i dont do HPFP internals!

These internals were brand new from John, they were installed into a BRAND NEW CORE! so the whole set up was new as could be. well i just took them out today to install my AUTOTECHS (thanks eric@edgeautosport!).

upon removal i looked (didnt have to look close) and found out why my pressure was dropping. i think the pics say enough however if you cant tell........ for having less than 5K on the internals they are grooved all over, deep enough you can feel it with just your finger running over it.

AUTOTECHS FTW!

[jack_hammer]

sucks for you. mine kick ass.

[Speeden6]

broncojd78 Yeah it does suck for me, and it will suck for you some day too, cause he wont replace them for me..... real great warranty he has there, if i could do it all over again i would have saved myself the time, headache and delay in tuning and just gone with autotechs from day one!!

my advice to anyone! every dog has his day, HPFP internals have had a good day with a few members but if a pole was taken, you would be told to STAY AWAY!

[triplejumper18]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 broncojd78 Yeah it does suck for me, and it will suck for you some day too, cause he wont replace them for me..... real great warranty he has there, if i could do it all over again i would have saved myself the time, headache and delay in tuning and just gone with autotechs from day one!! my advice to anyone! every dog has his day, HPFP internals have had a good day with a few members but if a pole was taken, you would be told to STAY AWAY!

Hah, those look the same as the ones I replaced (3rd set installed by John) with Autotechs.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 broncojd78 Yeah it does suck for me, and it will suck for you some day too, cause he wont replace them for me..... real great warranty he has there, if i could do it all over again i would have saved myself the time, headache and delay in tuning and just gone with autotechs from day one!! my advice to anyone! every dog has his day, HPFP internals have had a good day with a few members but if a pole was taken, you would be told to STAY AWAY!

Why will he not warranty them? When were they purchased? Directly from him?

[Speeden6]

Originally Posted by Erich Why will he not warranty them? When were they purchased? Directly from him?

all I can say, and I am sure triplejumper18 can attest to this with his experience, he started blaming my fuel rail, then saying my sensors were bad, take everything apart and clean it again, blah blah blah.

as I said originally, it was a brand spanking new core from Mazda, with the brand spanking new internals form john, 0 miles on both, and if you want to know about the pressure loss just ask Lex as he is doing my tune and they dropped into the 1300 PSI at WOT!

[Speeden6]

broncojd78 I hope yours hold up, im not wishing and expecting them to go out on you, its very annoying and can really hurt your engine if they go out and you don't know it. just keep in mind mine lasted around 5K miles before i saw a pressure drop and i do drive pretty hard and aggressive for a daily driver so they may last longer or shorter however others have had bad experiences too, i have e-mailed John personally and directly and gotten the run around. just be repaired for the worst if they do go out and if they dont great!

[jack_hammer]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 HPFP internals have had a good day with a few members but if a pole was taken, you would be told to STAY AWAY!

Originally Posted by Speeden6 broncojd78 I hope yours hold up, im not wishing and expecting them to go out on you, its very annoying and can really hurt your engine if they go out and you don't know it. just keep in mind mine lasted around 5K miles before i saw a pressure drop and i do drive pretty hard and aggressive for a daily driver so they may last longer or shorter however others have had bad experiences too, i have e-mailed John personally and directly and gotten the run around. just be repaired for the worst if they do go out and if they dont great!

look, i'm no rep for ptp/hpfpu. that said, i find it hard to believe there are more people out there who have had problems than who have not AND who have not spoken up. some folks complain for sport. instead of just making a thread detailing their experience, they prefer to just spam every thread they can with useless things like "fuck ptp. autotech FTMFW"

i am aware of the importance of fuel pressure. that's why i have my interceptor gauge. and that's why i bought the hpfpupgrade internals.

i really wish you had not had any fuel pump problems, regardless of brand. but with the low level of intelligence in your posts, excluding your last one, really make me question the validity of what you say. the bottom line is, we'll never know. you'll never know if you blew it on the install. i'll never know that it was spotless.

all i'm doing here is posting my impressions of my parts. i'd prefer that you grind your ax elsewhere. or at least be a little more thoughtful in your posts.

or don't. fuck it.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 all I can say, and I am sure triplejumper18 can attest to this with his experience, he started blaming my fuel rail, then saying my sensors were bad, take everything apart and clean it again, blah blah blah. as I said originally, it was a brand spanking new core from Mazda, with the brand spanking new internals form john, 0 miles on both, and if you want to know about the pressure loss just ask Lex as he is doing my tune and they dropped into the 1300 PSI at WOT!

I found this post:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...3/#post1406810

When you say great deal are you referring to one of the first generation pumps he sold for just the $12 shipping charge?

[Speeden6]

Originally Posted by Erich I found this post: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...3/#post1406810 When you say great deal are you referring to one of the first generation pumps he sold for just the $12 shipping charge?

no, i definitely paid more than the shipping charge. it is what it is, im all set now.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 no, i definitely paid more than the shipping charge. it is what it is, im all set now.

Those are first generation internals. You can tell by the size the length of the enlarged section of the plunger. Current design looks like:



As far as I knew, the only time the previous generation design got sold by John in the last year or so was when he was here in February and for just the $12 shipping charge and with a warning.

[Speeden6]

yeah they are gen 1, i k now that, but i paid more than that for them..... is what it is, i am up and running again.

[Erich]

Originally Posted by Speeden6 yeah they are gen 1, i k now that, but i paid more than that for them..... is what it is, i am up and running again.

Found the following thread as well:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...6-hpfp-107480/

He states that he would sell them to you for just shipping there and you pm'd him.

[Speeden6]

Originally Posted by Erich Found the following thread as well: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...6-hpfp-107480/ He states that he would sell them to you for just shipping there and you pm'd him.

yep and i ended up paying more than shipping for them.

and had he ever told me there was a issue with the gen 1's i wouldnt have bought them.

[jack_hammer]

there ya go. the problem is you ended up with version 1 internals.

[Speeden6]

could be it! back in the game now though so i am happy.

[himurax13]

Hmm, the HPFP upgrade was easy, getting it back on was the bitch.

[Code Monkey]

Shit, you guys scare me, this is why I have an extra stock pump, just in case the upgraded pump fails. I broke mine in yesterday, did some WOT runs in 3rd, pressure maxed out at 2088, I think.

[Speeden6]

Code Monkey Did you get gen1 or gen2? i got gen1 and had a problem, looks like others got gen2 and didnt.

but "I" had a problem, others say they have but i can only speak for myself.

[Code Monkey]

I guess gen 2, I purchased it like 3 weeks ago, installed yesterday.

[Speeden6]

with Gen2 sounds like you shouldnt have a problem, just let them break in and then watch your fuel pressure every now and then. you should do that with any set of internals.

[Code Monkey]

Yep, driving around with my Cobb AP at the moment.

[Tokay444]

I've seen more autotech failure threads in the last 8 months than ptp.
I don't think there's been a single reported failure since the new machinist took over the manufacturing detail.

[Caldazar]

mine has been in for over 2 years now. Still holding pressure just fine.

Of course I haven't taken it apart to look at it, but pressure is good.

I am pretty sure its a 1st gen part too, I got it in the group buy 2 februarys ago.

[Werm]

autotech or ptp? humm decisions decisions