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Default SilverDemon/JM Fabrications Intake Manifold Interest Thread

I need to know how many people will buy an intake manifold developed from my design. I will present this info to JM Fabrications, as they have shown interest in manufacturing, and distributing the units.

Important... this is not a thread about who wants what, this is just a show of intent to buy, because lets face it, if we cannot get enough people together to show the vendor we want a manifold, no one will ever produce it.


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heres some picts of the manifold if you dont want to do any searching








































STATS:

OEM Manifold after porting (32 cfm differential or about 16%)
Runner 1) 212
Runner 2) 239
Runner 3) 233
Runner 4) 207


SiverDemon's Intake Manifold (8 cfm difference or about 2.9%)
Runner 1) 274
Runner 2) 281
Runner 3) 282
Runner 4) 278



Holy Cow!! I am done with the number graphing!! I want to take minuet and thank everyone of you guys for your patience!! You guys rock, and you are one of the main reasons why I tackled this project...(and well Anthony beating on me to get this released).

I thought it would be easier to decipher if I plotted everything on graphs. I imported the raw data in Excel spreadsheet and simply inserted graphs from there. I did not even look at the raw data as I was importing the graphs, I just copied and pasted in the order that Anthony and Tyler sent them to me. I had to leave it up to them to send the info in the correct order.


On to the results.

We will start off with Tyler's results. As most of you already figured the manifold did not gain a huge amount of power or torque on a mild bolt on stock turbo. It seemed though after I graphed everything out the car maintained about 8 - 10 G/S across the entire RPM range. It did pick up about 6 - 8 HP. I will let Tyler chime in on drive ability and throttle response.





Tyler's Before Dyno:



Tyler's After Dyno:







On to Anthony's supremely anal, over the top, insane amount of data..hahah!! Anthony literally spent 4 hours on the dyno, grabbing about 27 data logs and graphs. This is what took me so long to sort through and graph everything. Keep in mind that there was no tuning between manifold swaps. There is probably more power left on the table, but he did not want to skew the results by trying to squeeze the last little bit out the JM manifold.

He did 3 pulls at 26psi, 28psi, and 30psi. One with the stock intake, one with the JM intake/stock throttle body, and the last one with a big throttle body (I believe it is an 80mm, but I will let him elaborate more about it). As you can see in the graph below, a significant increase in G/S with just the intake and stock TB.

The Dyno charts are listed in the order of the graphs. Stock manifold first, JMF manifold stock throttle body next, and then JMF manifold with the big throttle body.





Then the large TB was added and it simply picked up more G/S...














Graph set of the 28psi runs.













Graph set of the 30psi runs.













I sure do hope this is what everyone was looking for in the data gathering. The three of us spent some time deciding how to achieve the appropriate way to gather the data in the most non biased way.
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I need to know how many people will buy an intake manifold developed from my design. I will present this info to JM Fabrications, as they have shown interest in manufacturing, and distributing the units.

Important... this is not a thread about who wants what, this is just a show of intent to buy, because lets face it, if we cannot get enough people together to show the vendor we want a manifold, no one will ever produce it.
Let's add a poll. It'll be easier to tally up the votes that way

Edit: Or a list like you did
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I would like to see a Gen 2 and a Speed 6 for measurements......Anyone that would be willing to drive out to no mans land to see me would be a big help...
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I would like to see a Gen 2 and a Speed 6 for measurements......Anyone that would be willing to drive out to no mans land to see me would be a big help...
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Assuming it will benefit a 2871 (purchased from some loser on here), I am absolutely in.
Hahaha.... yes, I am a loser!!

I would think the balance of flow would help almost anyone out.
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Do you have any images of your design? Does it have ports for meth/ fuel injection? Is flow balanced?
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Do you have any images of your design? Does it have ports for meth/ fuel injection? Is flow balanced?
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...anifold-44765/

The first few pages of pics were wiped out do to the site crash, but towards the end of the thread is all the info with pics
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With a 40 unit run, how much we talking price wise:?
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With a 40 unit run, how much we talking price wise:?
Here's their store for prices on the shit they actually offer NOW JM Fabrications
Usually their vendors prices are a bit cheaper..
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Jim needs to know if there is really a market for an intake manifold.... no money has been discussed until we can get an idea. Then once that is established we will work on a price, then present that price to the members before production is started....I mean obviously if the price is exceptionally high, then no I would not go through with it..
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so seeing as how there is a decent interest, yet this might not be something EVERYONE runs out to get. do any vendors think they could pick up a few units for inventory per month? obviously its quite early to tell but just some interest might be the difference in making this happen
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