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just got my 3rd ptp pump, im in the middle of install now.

just took the shitty one out, when i compare it to the new one the springs look different.

the length of the shitty one is smaller then new one, but the tip of the new one is a little loose.shakey is that ok.


look at the pics, the clean one is the new one...
Should i go ahead an install new one let me know, car is apart now..






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don't ask us...call/email up ptp to see what he thinks.
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A Little update...

The car runs, the new pump is much louder than the old one "tick tick tick tick"

Just did the new initial break in.

• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 1500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 2500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 3500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute

You repeat these steps at two minute and three minute intervals (total of 3 cycles).
The fuel pressure was at 430psi while at these rpms.

Ill report more later.
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im assuming your "shitty one" is a seized ptp pump thats why the spring looks more compressed, not shorter its not letting the piston create a complete stroke, unlike your new pump. The shakey tip i have no clue. I've havent seen a ptp pump yet. Does he press the retainer?
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I agree with gerry, its stuck halfway
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so far so good.

a whooping 10 miles to pick up beer and pizza. no cut just weird looks driving at 4k 5k 6k rpms down streets. I hate the ricer break in so much.
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what happened to the "let it idle for 30 minutes" breakin? I put in my PTP back in Feb and that's what the instructions said.
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Originally Posted by Dano2010 View Post
what happened to the "let it idle for 30 minutes" breakin? I put in my PTP back in Feb and that's what the instructions said.
they got a new break in.

Fuel Pump Break in Procedure

Step one:

• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 1500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 2500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 3500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute

You repeat these steps at two minute and three minute intervals (total of 3 cycles).

Step Two:

Drive car for next 100miles of just regular driving while fluctuating the rpm’s from 1000-5000, only use low boost.

Step Three:

Monitor Pump pressure during wide open throttle (if you have equipment to do so) if pressure drops repeat step two of brake in procedure.

If you are not equipped to monitor fuel pressure then you’re going to have to watch for key signs of fuel cut. At first sign of fuel cut you’ll need to repeat step two of brake in procedure.
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lol good luck paul! Third times the charm!
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I didn't break in my shit. But it wasn't ptp. I still have the pg v1 internals, 48k miles on them, just as strong as there were the day they went in.
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Originally Posted by 2007speed3 View Post
they got a new break in.

Fuel Pump Break in Procedure

Step one:

• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 1500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 2500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute
• Rev the car in neutral to 3500 RPM for one minute
• Let the car idle for one minute

You repeat these steps at two minute and three minute intervals (total of 3 cycles).

Step Two:

Drive car for next 100miles of just regular driving while fluctuating the rpm’s from 1000-5000, only use low boost.

Step Three:

Monitor Pump pressure during wide open throttle (if you have equipment to do so) if pressure drops repeat step two of brake in procedure.

If you are not equipped to monitor fuel pressure then you’re going to have to watch for key signs of fuel cut. At first sign of fuel cut you’ll need to repeat step two of brake in procedure.
That procedure must be REALLY new...I bought a PTP pump in mid-May and it had different break-in steps compared to yours.

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lol good luck paul! Third times the charm!
One fail was enough for me...I went a different route....didn't want to bone around with more disappointment and inconvenience.
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Originally Posted by 2007speed3 View Post
just got my 3rd ptp pump, im in the middle of install now.
When did you buy the first and second pump? Damn!..3rd pump?!!..You are defnitely a patient man..I'm envious.

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That procedure must be REALLY new...I bought a PTP pump in mid-May and it had different break-in steps compared to yours.
that's cause there isn't a way to properly break in something that sticks. hahahahahahahaha.
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Originally Posted by 2007speed3 View Post
the length of the shitty one is smaller then new one, but the tip of the new one is a little loose.shakey is that ok.
No!...ladies prefer longer ones..loose and shakey tip is ok if she doesn't complain...ladies are free to agree/disagree

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that's cause there isn't a way to properly break in something that sticks. hahahahahahahaha.

There must be a very reasonable explanation to this issue. I thought the new PTP pumps were supposed to be the latest and greatest compared to their previous pumps??
What could be causing these "sticking" "seizing" issues?
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they stick at upper rpms due to the coating...
so umm...
the consumer is supposed to umm...rev harder, and rev more. hahahaha. that's the "break in" period.
ahhhhahaha. suck my nuts with that shit.
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just dont be surprised if your fuel pump isnt broken in @100 miles....It took mine about 200 miles actrully..its got 6000 miles on it since then and runs good. My pump looked like your new one btw...the older one doesnt look right..piston is not where it should be. As for my spring..it was on pretty firm.
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Originally Posted by phillyb View Post
they stick at upper rpms due to the coating...
so umm...
the consumer is supposed to umm...rev harder, and rev more. hahahaha. that's the "break in" period.
ahhhhahaha. suck my nuts with that shit.
What kind of "coating" does PTP use?
C-PE uses DLC but I read somewhere that PTP stated the DLC coating wears off.
So how does the pump receive lubrication when operating? I recall the PTP pump was delivered dry while the CPE pump had some sort of lubrication in the pump....or that could've been me spewing from excitement of receiving the CPE pump!
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god i hate break in periods...oh wait nevermind i got a cp-e pump
yes i am an asshole and this post was completely useless lol
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idk. i'm sure he's posted that info here, but i cannot recall.
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Originally Posted by zx2man View Post
just dont be surprised if your fuel pump isnt broken in @100 miles....It took mine about 200 miles actrully..its got 6000 miles on it since then and runs good. My pump looked like your new one btw...the older one doesnt look right..piston is not where it should be. As for my spring..it was on pretty firm.
I had to repeat the PTP "break-in" three times until I gave up and considered it a failed pump and returned it for a refund. Yeah - agree both pumps from PTP and CPE had nice firm tension when received.
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So far so good 120 miles on the pump today.

No to low boost situations all the way to 6krpms.

tomorrow im gonna floor it for the first time since February...



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don't blow it up !
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3rd times a charm i suppose. 120miles broken in and amazing. It a completely different car A+

now back to fucking around with ATR
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nice paul, glad to see you finally got back around to the speed.
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Originally Posted by Dano2010 View Post
what happened to the "let it idle for 30 minutes" breakin? I put in my PTP back in Feb and that's what the instructions said.
We found that might have been part of the problem with the break in. It was "seating" to a low RPM condition that caused the seizing issues.
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Originally Posted by phillyb View Post
that's cause there isn't a way to properly break in something that sticks. hahahahahahahaha.
OMG, I have tried to explain this to people and some just don't get it. If you ever want to take the time to put some info in that thing you call a brain, PM me.

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No!...ladies prefer longer ones..loose and shakey tip is ok if she doesn't complain...ladies are free to agree/disagree

There must be a very reasonable explanation to this issue. I thought the new PTP pumps were supposed to be the latest and greatest compared to their previous pumps??
What could be causing these "sticking" "seizing" issues?
They are the latest and they are working much better. The sticking from the last batch was a MFG change that I didnt' know about and it caused some to gall the sleeve. These issues have been addressed and we are moving forward with proper MFG'ing processes.

There are always going to be pump failures when you are MFG'ing down to .00005 of an inch, or when debris or end user installes get calculated into the part. This is why we have a test rig under construction, for those that can afford and pre-tested broken in pump.

Originally Posted by phillyb View Post
they stick at upper rpms due to the coating...
so umm...
the consumer is supposed to umm...rev harder, and rev more. hahahaha. that's the "break in" period.
ahhhhahaha. suck my nuts with that shit.
Again, you always sound off when it comes to this. I would have to say it would be nice if you had a logical reason for stating that this is a bad thing. Maybe some technical behind why you think "sticking" (not seizing) is a bad thing? I highly doubt that you have anything to back up your consistant harassment on this issue, but you can PM me if you have something logical to add to add about this.

Originally Posted by MS3_65 View Post
What kind of "coating" does PTP use?
C-PE uses DLC but I read somewhere that PTP stated the DLC coating wears off.
So how does the pump receive lubrication when operating? I recall the PTP pump was delivered dry while the CPE pump had some sort of lubrication in the pump....or that could've been me spewing from excitement of receiving the CPE pump!
We cryo quench the part then warm them back up in a moly phosphate liquid. This fills all the micro scratches from the finall sizing. This coating protects the pump during the break in process. The DLC coating does wear off (even the coating on the OEM pump wears off over time). The fuel that its compressing provides the lube for operation. The PTP pump has oil inside of the pump housing that you couldn't see, the CPe pumps come will a fuel like solution that comes from the break in machine that they get tested on.

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So far so good 120 miles on the pump today.

No to low boost situations all the way to 6krpms.

tomorrow im gonna floor it for the first time since February...



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Thanks for the update.

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3rd times a charm i suppose. 120miles broken in and amazing. It a completely different car A+

now back to fucking around with ATR
Keep me posted, thanks.
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