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Default 17x7.5/48 RPF1+Direzza Star Spec

I'm digging the meaty look, kind of like a cop car. Wheels are very nice in person and the tires are great of course on back roads. They don't ride as much better than stock as I was hoping, but still better. The sidewall is very stiff, but somehow more compliant than the stock Bridgestones. People like pics so I snapped a couple, nothing fancy, but that meaty look is growing on me (Molly is not so sure however.)







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they are not that good in rain, i hit a median on thursday and my car is in the shop
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How much of a difference do the lighter wheels make to response, accel and braking?
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they are not that good in rain, i hit a median on thursday and my car is in the shop
How fast were you going?
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i wasnt going too fast it was my mistake but for the first time it felt like the car was completely out of control.
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Sucks to hear. Had that happen to me once but with the stock tires. The star specs haven't failed me yet, but I haven't really tried to push these things when the ground is wet. I'm too chicken.
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How much of a difference do the lighter wheels make to response, accel and braking?
Impossible to pin down where the differences come from - FYI this wheel/tire combo was 5 lbs lighter than stock (about 5.4) on my scale.

The most noticeable global feeling is of a good dance partner - it's very light on it's feet now compared to stock. But new tires always give that impression. Still, Bridgestones are the thumpiest tires I know so there's improvement to be had. The stock tires are like dancing with your boss' mother, these are like dancing with his mistress.

Side loading transitions have much better control, which is weird since that should be a shock thing. There's very much a sense of the sidewall being an active part of the equation now, instead of just plodding along down there.

If I was worried about them in the rain, I wouldn't have bought them. First chance I get I'm taking them out in a good rain to explore their envelop safely, but I can't see how they could be worse than stock, which are the worst tires in the rain I've had for years.
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aw i love your dog. australian cattle dog right?
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Points for you She's actually a pure cross of a Smooth Collie and ACD. Now I gotta find another pic for you.







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Nice pooch! RPF1's look great on our cars, if I hadn't found used RX-8 rims I probably would have sucked it up and bought a set of these.
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They don't ride as much better than stock as I was hoping, but still better. The sidewall is very stiff, but somehow more compliant than the stock Bridgestones.
How is the noise level compared to the Bridgestones?
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should have went 17x9 +45 235/45 tires. =) makes the car look beefy then slam the shit outa it like mine is
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How is the noise level compared to the Bridgestones?
I'm not really sure. I can't decide if there's less tire noise so it's allowing me to hear other stuff that was always there but masked, or if I'm hearing a new tire noise, but the overall level is less.

I'm hearing a rhythmic thrumming sound I never heard before, but the overall noise level is less. I might try switching them front to rear and see if the character of the sound changes. My last car was very sensitive to tire sound but it was always a steady noise, so I'm a little confused by what I'm hearing.
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Points for you She's actually a pure cross of a Smooth Collie and ACD. Now I gotta find another pic for you.
Does she hop on top of your car and try to herd the other vehicles around you?
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Does she hop on top of your car and try to herd the other vehicles around you?
Nah, she's not nuts like a Border Collie. Her thing is making sure everything is in its place, and properly cataloging any changes. She does herd the deer and rabbits off the property - doesn't try to catch them, just escorts them to the property line, give three woofs, and loops back looking all proud of herself.
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What does "RPF" stand for?

Since you apparently got new wheels too, why did you go with 17" instead of 18"?
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RPF, I have no idea, probably some mangled translation from Japanese - Race Performance Formula or something.

!7" - lighter, cheaper, a little more sidewall, and mostly for me, a huge selection of tires in the size I wanted and TOL tires in that size are pretty cheap (tire price seems to go up exponentially as aspect ratio goes down.)
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Interesting. I've been toying with the idea of downsizing the wheel size for the same reasons. I was thinking about 225/45-18 Star Spec's on the stock wheels, which is a rare size but should fit the car perfectly, most everything else is a 225/40-18, which are about 1/2" less diameter than stock and I already have enough wheel gap with the stock springs.

Any rubbing issues? The section width is about an inch wider that the 18" OEM tires.

Also, why didn't you get 8" rims? Seems like a better width for a 235. If you don't mind, could you measure the tread width? Dunlop doesn't specify what it is.

I'm old school and still get nervous about super low profile tires. I like the "retro" look of those on your car though, and whatever you might have lost with a taller profile 17" might be gained back with the wider tread patch.
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My ride height is stock in rear and down maybe 3/8" front, so I'm safe on rubbing unless I get really stupid. Still, the rear is problematic, in height mostly I think, so another reason to go with a bit shorter tire than a bit taller. I have no rubbing at all btw.

I keep my cars a long time so replacement costs on tires is important, especially with all this torque chewing them up.

I only found one 8" in 17 with the offset I wanted and that looked okay. Went with the Enkei for the brand and quality mostly. The wheel I found was for an RX8, so you'd think Enkei would have one too. Maybe they did and I missed it or there was something about it I didn't like, I can't remember now. I was using Tire Rack and looking at winter ms3 and regular RX8 wheels.

Tread width varies with wheel width a little, but like you said, going up two section widths more than makes up for the small difference of a .5 wheel difference. 7.5 is technically okay on a 45 series tire, you'd need 8 if you went 235/40-18. Of course there's guys slapping them on the stock wheels, but that's not my world. My tread is just under 9", which is normal for the size.
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I like the wheel/tire combo you went with. Looks good on your MS3. How many lbs. do the stock MS3 wheels with no rubber weigh in at?

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The weight of the stocker wheels is widely known, but not by me lol. They're pretty darn heavy though. Going up two section widths and still saving more than 5 lb. a corner is pretty cool.
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The weight of the stocker wheels is widely known, but not by me lol. They're pretty darn heavy though. Going up two section widths and still saving more than 5 lb. a corner is pretty cool.
Stock wheels are 24lb IIRC
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Nice rims! Awesome tires too.

I'd like to see a picture looking straight at the side of the car

Originally Posted by Lex View Post
How much of a difference do the lighter wheels make to response, accel and braking?
I've got 18x7.5 +43 VOLK CE28Nf's on my MS6. At about 14.5lbs each they're 9 pounds lighter than stock per corner. It might be all in my head, but I'm convinced I can feel a difference in acceleration and braking. The 36lb savings is about 1% of the cars weight and from an actual physics standpoint I would guess it equals something like 1.25% total inertia savings.

Compare it to adding 4hp. It does make a difference, but a small one. You probably wouldn't notice it if you didn't know, but you can convince yourself you feel it if you do know.

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Stock wheels are 24lb IIRC
I know the stock MS6 wheels are 23.5 and would guess that the MS3 wheels are almost identical in weight.
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I'd like to see a picture looking straight at the side of the car
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