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Alpha 12-11-2009 08:34 AM

19 or 20x8.5 on MS6?
 
I'm in the market for some custom forged 3 piece wheels and I'm torn between 19s and 20s.

I have a white MS6 with stock 18s and I know I can fit both with either a 235/35/19 or a 235/30/20 tire. Both are very similar to the stock diameter tires.

I'm on stock suspension and would only consider running RPMS .5" Drop Sport springs if I went with 19s to close the gap. Fender rolling would also be mandatory either way I'm sure.


Here's a few pics of an MS6 on 20s at the bottom of this page MS6 on 20" Wheels and I must say that it's on the limit, but it looks great on these cars.

Any thoughts?

Alpha 12-15-2009 09:46 AM

Come on guys! I KNOW you can stuff it in there. The stock 18s just don't cut it on the MS6.

SSinstaller 12-15-2009 10:50 AM

You have to look at more than just the tire diameter. Good luck finding a 19 or 20" tire with a load rating high enough for this car.

If you want to be different, get a good 18x8.5 and do the work to get some 255's on there..

Alpha 12-15-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SSinstaller (Post 379305)
You have to look at more than just the tire diameter. Good luck finding a 19 or 20" tire with a load rating high enough for this car.

If you want to be different, get a good 18x8.5 and do the work to get some 255's on there..

Nexxen N3000 225/30/20s have a load rating of 85 good up to 4540lbs.

SSinstaller 12-15-2009 11:40 AM

The tires have to accommodate the loads place on them while driving at speed, not just support the static weight of the car.. The OEM tires have a load rating of 93, I would not replace them with a tire that has a significantly lower load rating.

An 85 load rating is just asking for trouble.

Alpha 12-15-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SSinstaller (Post 379356)
The OEM tires have a load rating of 93.

Hmm... That seems a little overkill no?

235/30/20s have an 88 load rating for 4940lbs. That may be a better choice.

yoichi 12-15-2009 12:12 PM

20s is way overkill.

I'm running 19s and I'm pushing it.

SSinstaller 12-15-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha (Post 379359)
Hmm... That seems a little overkill no?

235/30/20s have an 88 load rating for 4940lbs. That may be a better choice.

With a driver in the car the ms6 tips the scales about 3600lbs.. With a 60/40 weight distribution, cornering at speed, you could be looking at 35~40% of the weight of the car on one front outside wheel..

The OEM tires will support 1433 lbs each, which equals just about 40% of the weight of the car--It's not a coincidence..

aaronc7 12-15-2009 12:21 PM

I run 24s no problem on my ms3. ill post some pics soon.

Alpha 12-15-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronc7 (Post 379390)
I run 24s no problem on my ms3. ill post some pics soon.

Comeon now... 20s would be max on this car, but doable. I just think 19s still leave too much sidewall/gap. Another .5" on the radius might be just right. ;)

I'm looking at some white Work Gnosis GS1s with a chrome lip. :cool:

madvillain 12-15-2009 03:55 PM

20's are going to be a headache, a headache that's not worth the end result. i think it will be overkill unless you get some nice lightweight wheels so the car doesn't handle like a tractor. and, those tires are going to be like rubber bands- which cost a fortune.

turd burglar 12-15-2009 06:47 PM

I'm thinkin about throwin some 19" breyton gts on my speed3 http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galle...lack-56974.jpg

Alpha 12-15-2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by madvillain (Post 380002)
20's are going to be a headache, a headache that's not worth the end result. i think it will be overkill unless you get some nice lightweight wheels so the car doesn't handle like a tractor. and, those tires are going to be like rubber bands- which cost a fortune.

You'd be surprised man... I put 245/30/22s on my dad's 09 Maxima and it rides great!

Tires are less than $100 a piece for 20/22s. :)

As long as I stay at stock height it may work.

Dash08 12-15-2009 07:19 PM

You're asking the wrong dudes for advice on dubs. We don't fuck with that shit here.

We like things that increase performance. Plus, we drive fucking Mazdas.

superskaterxes 12-15-2009 07:50 PM

lol at a 20" tire for less then $100. what is this pep boys?

Alpha 12-15-2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dash08 (Post 380113)
You're asking the wrong dudes for advice on dubs. We don't fuck with that shit here.

We like things that increase performance. Plus, we drive fucking Mazdas.

Very true, but every car has a balance aspect when it comes to looks and wheels. Overall vehicle size, body lines, wheel wells etc...

A quality 3 piece forged 20" wheel is actually lighter than my stockers so, there's really no downside.

Toyo, Nitto, Nexen, Falken, Cooper... All make $100 225/30/20s.

Dash08 12-17-2009 11:49 AM

You'll still experience a loss of power. It takes more to turn those wheels a full rotation regardless of weight of the wheel. The loss will be minimal, but still present. You'll also lose some braking power as well.

Alpha 12-17-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dash08 (Post 380549)
You'll still experience a loss of power. It takes more to turn those wheels a full rotation regardless of weight of the wheel. The loss will be minimal, but still present. You'll also lose some braking power as well.

For sure, but let's be honest... If we were looking for max effort performance/power, we picked the wrong platform.

These cars are great for smooth delivery and refined sport. I think they're great for decent looks and overall performance. They're not strong at any one thing.

Sacrilicious 12-17-2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha (Post 380220)
Very true, but every car has a balance aspect when it comes to looks and wheels. Overall vehicle size, body lines, wheel wells etc...

A quality 3 piece forged 20" wheel is actually lighter than my stockers so, there's really no downside.

Toyo, Nitto, Nexen, Falken, Cooper... All make $100 225/30/20s.

...so how much does said forged 20" wheel cost? also, the biggest downside is that if you hit so much as a dimple in the road, you're going to be out a 20" forged wheel. the less sidewall you have, the less protection your wheel has...i wouldn't risk it just because of the bill afterward...

yes, you can get $100 tires, but you've got to give to get...all things equal, a $100 20" tire won't grip nearly as well as a $100 18" tire.

Alpha 12-17-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious (Post 380563)
...so how much does said forged 20" wheel cost? also, the biggest downside is that if you hit so much as a dimple in the road, you're going to be out a 20" forged wheel. the less sidewall you have, the less protection your wheel has...i wouldn't risk it just because of the bill afterward...

yes, you can get $100 tires, but you've got to give to get...all things equal, a $100 20" tire won't grip nearly as well as a $100 18" tire.

Honestly, I have 22s with a 30 wall tire on my dad's car and it's pretty nice. As long as you don't go around driving like an idiot, you're good.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../42409_028.jpg

I never thought I'd buy 22s for a car, but they really fit the 7th Gen Maximas perfectly. The wheel well are just HUGE on that car.


A quality forged wheel is between $700-$1,200 per rim, but my buddy owns a wheel shop and I get wholesale prices. ;)

That's really the only reason I'm considering it as I can get 4 custom 20x8.5s with rubber for $2k-$2.5k.

MazMusic 12-17-2009 12:55 PM

ms6 ftw?

Sacrilicious 12-17-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha (Post 380607)
Honestly, I have 22s with a 30 wall tire on my dad's car in it's pretty nice. As long as you don't got around driving like an idiot, you're pretty good.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../42409_028.jpg

I never thought I'd buy 22s for a car, but they really fit the 7th Gen Maximas perfectly. The wheel well are just HUGE on that car.


A quality forged wheel is between $700-$1,200 per rim, but my buddy owns a wheel shop and I get wholesale prices. ;)

That's really the only reason I'm considering it as I can get 4 custom 20x8.5s with rubber for $2k-$2.5k.

LOL!!! that's a freakin hilarious price! :D:D:D

how much could you get 18" or 19" forged rims? i know you can drive carefully, but sometimes, shit just happens, and you end up hitting a pothole going too fast.

Alpha 12-17-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious (Post 380623)
LOL!!! that's a freakin hilarious price! :D:D:D

how much could you get 18" or 19" forged rims? i know you can drive carefully, but sometimes, shit just happens, and you end up hitting a pothole going too fast.

I know man! You have no idea how much markup there is when dealing with highline wheels. I couldn't believe it either. :)

Very true. I'd only be running them in the warmer months, not all year round, as I have Blizzaks on my stock 18s for infamous Chicago winters.

Sacrilicious 12-17-2009 07:52 PM

btw...you should keep in mind that the maxima probably has a way softer suspension, which puts less abuse on the wheels when you hit a bump.

Alpha 12-18-2009 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sacrilicious (Post 380892)
btw...you should keep in mind that the maxima probably has a way softer suspension, which puts less abuse on the wheels when you hit a bump.

A good point...

I may have a cost effective and median solution guys. Stay tuned! :)

Sacrilicious 12-18-2009 08:19 AM

good to hear...20" is just too impractical for our cars, so smaller options are definitely better.

mr_mazda329 12-20-2009 02:21 AM

Here's one i found on some 19's i believe. Looks good, but no clue on the specs. I just know the wheels are the Mazdaspeed Rays

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2694/...86c7ccedeb.jpg

JMEngineer 12-20-2009 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_mazda329 (Post 382247)
Here's one i found on some 19's i believe. Looks good, but no clue on the specs. I just know the wheels are the Mazdaspeed Rays

No they're not... Those are SSR GT10's




If you want 20's that aren't heavier than the stock rims you're gonna have to get BBS RS-GT's (22.7lbs) or BBS RE's (23.1lbs). BBS LM's or just about any iForged wheel will be close but still heavier than stock. I think the 20" AXIS rims in that link are right around 28lbs.

IMO the 19" SSR GT10's look WAY better than any 20's would

yoichi 12-20-2009 09:18 AM

This discussion shouldn't even be going on. 20s on a MS3 is staight up ass performance wise and visually period.

Also $100 tires are garbage.

mr_mazda329 12-20-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JMEngineer (Post 382259)
No they're not... Those are SSR GT10's

Forgive me. They do look awesome tho. But 19' and 20's is too much for me.

Alpha 12-21-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by yoichi (Post 382320)
This discussion shouldn't even be going on. 20s on a MS3 is staight up ass performance wise and visually period.

Also $100 tires are garbage.

We're talking about wheels on an MS6 which is competely different than an MS3 when it comes to wheels. I think 18s look best on the MS3, but for a 6 I really think 19s/20s are the way to go for all out looks.

I have $100 Nexen N3000s on my dad's car and I like them better than the $300 Michellin Pilot Sports I had on my Z06 so... To each their own.

m4tic 12-21-2009 11:53 AM

should've kept the z06

Alpha 12-21-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bmorrisj (Post 383122)
should've kept the z06

Haha! They're fun. It was my old man's and we just put a few light mods on it. Went 12.30 bonestock with a throttle body. :)

We traded it in for a new Maxima because he wanted something he could drive in the snow. The Z06 never saw precipitaion.

I have a 9 sec pumpgas NA LSX Camaro for fun, but I bought an MS6 for a turbo DD that I can have a little fun with. I just want it looking good as well. ;)


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