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Nliiitend1 06-04-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by opt_ms3 (Post 240412)
doesn't nitto have an NT-05 now? pretty sure it came out recently.

Yes they do.

...and if I decide not to spring for RE-11s next time around, I may be giving them a try. ;)

jwdp54 06-04-2009 01:09 PM

i need tires bad and like everyone says the azenis are great, but i'm gonna be giving the nitto invos a try. gonna be running 235/40 on 18x7.5" rim.

i will be giving feedback when i get these installed

glocK23 06-04-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 (Post 240413)
There are MANY better than the above tires...

What are you looking to get out of your tires??

pretty much cornering. I had the Neogens before on my old scion tc and they were very good at cornering, not sure if that applies to a car that has prolly 3x the power of the tc lol, but i'm basically looking for a good summer tire.:684:

glocK23 06-04-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 (Post 240419)
Yes they do.

...and if I decide not to spring for RE-11s next time around, I may be giving them a try. ;)

I wouldn't mind that tire, but with a treadwear of 200, that is alittle low for me , I wonder if I can squeeze 20,000 miles on those with alittle spirited driving.:fingersx:

Nliiitend1 06-04-2009 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by glocK23 (Post 240506)
I wouldn't mind that tire, but with a treadwear of 200, that is alittle low for me , I wonder if I can squeeze 20,000 miles on those with alittle spirited driving.:fingersx:

Perhaps. Plenty of people have gotten over 20K out of the stock Potenzas, so it isn't out of the question.

I don't think I'd ever get that kind of mileage out of them, but I tend to be pretty hard on tires...

FCmaniac 06-05-2009 05:23 AM

I was considering the NT05's also. For the money I still think its hard to beat the Azenis RT615. I want more treadlife too but once you get used to having this kind of grip every day, its hard to go to a "harder" tire.

802MS3 06-05-2009 07:57 AM

yeah the nitto nt05's are definitely more expensive than the rt615

Nliiitend1 06-05-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by opt_ms3 (Post 240955)
yeah the nitto nt05's are definitely more expensive than the rt615

Yeah...a whole $3 a tire:

Tire Products - Discount Tire Direct

:shocked1:

802MS3 06-05-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 (Post 240983)
Yeah...a whole $3 a tire:

Tire Products - Discount Tire Direct

:shocked1:

lol my bad! I was looking at a totally different site... :bong:

kwsmithphoto 06-05-2009 09:49 AM

From another recent thread:

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Luke told me that a well known racer friend of his took the RE-01R, Direzza Star Spec and RE-11 out to the Streets of Willow and ran each tire on the same car on the same day. The RE-01R tires yielded the slowest lap times, with the Star Spec's being a full second faster, and the RE-11's a whopping 2 seconds faster than the Star Spec tires were able to accomplish. That's huge.
That is huge, that track is very tight and only 1.8 miles long. Seriously, 2 seconds faster is a phenomenal improvement over the stock tires, and 1 second faster than the Star Spec's is nothing to sneeze at either.

Fast, good, or cheap. Pick any two. None of the Korean brands can touch the RE-11's it would seem. The only reason they're so popular is that they do work very well for the money, but for the best of everything, you gotta pay for it.

cudaman 08-01-2012 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 5_Alive (Post 75120)
Just because an uber tire comes on a really expensive supercar doesn't mean it will work for you as well.. A lot of times, manufacturers have a tire designed specifically for that specific car.. other times, they design the car to work with a really good tire that's available, and set the car up to work perfectly with that available tire..

My old SS/SC Cobalt had the Pirelli P-Zero's on it.. it was the shittiest thing on the planet... no grip, horrible rain traction, squealed like a pig.. but to a guy in a Ferrari, it works..

The Falken is one of the better tires out there right now for the money..
I've also had previous history with the Nexen N3000, and that tire was amazing..

Buy what is within' your budget and your needs..

Bringing back a dead thread, but this guy is RIGHT! Nexen N3000 at $102 from Walmart is actually AMAZING for the price. Got some recently. Best bang-for-the-buck and they actually still make them in MS3 sizes:

BTW, I blew one of my Kumho tires. I just couldn't get used to those things, they were too harsh riding in the 40 series and spun wildly in corners. I had a new/unused set of old-date-code Nexen N3000s in the garage. You know something, those fricken things are nearly as good as the RE050s. They hookup very well, and spin very little in hard corners. Also makes the ride feel a bit softer than the Kumhos. Probably a bit more sidewall compliance for the same size 225-40 R18, but no squealing or bulging on hard corners. I'd buy them again if they made them, which apparently, they still do.

Seems that Walmart still has them: Customer Ratings & Reviews - Top & Best Rated Products - Walmart

One guy even put them on a Porsche Boxster with good results. Go figure. At $102, they are a steal at Walmart.

Nexen N3000 Tire 225/40ZR18XL: Tires Result Shelf : Walmart.com

Nexen N3000 tires are made for ultra high performance driving. Featuring directional wide aqua groove design, these speed-rated tires resist hydroplaning allowing you to handle wet conditions. With a new shoulder design, this tire improves cornering stability. For high speed driving performance in wet or dry road conditions, the Nexen N3000 is a quiet tire that is designed to last

johnheer 08-01-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cudaman (Post 1537863)
Bringing back a dead thread, but this guy is RIGHT! Nexen N3000 at $102 from Walmart is actually AMAZING for the price. Got some recently. Best bang-for-the-buck and they actually still make them in MS3 sizes:

BTW, I blew one of my Kumho tires. I just couldn't get used to those things, they were too harsh riding in the 40 series and spun wildly in corners. I had a new/unused set of old-date-code Nexen N3000s in the garage. You know something, those fricken things are nearly as good as the RE050s. They hookup very well, and spin very little in hard corners. Also makes the ride feel a bit softer than the Kumhos. Probably a bit more sidewall compliance for the same size 225-40 R18, but no squealing or bulging on hard corners. I'd buy them again if they made them, which apparently, they still do.

Seems that Walmart still has them: Customer Ratings & Reviews - Top & Best Rated Products - Walmart

One guy even put them on a Porsche Boxster with good results. Go figure. At $102, they are a steal at Walmart.

Nexen N3000 Tire 225/40ZR18XL: Tires Result Shelf : Walmart.com

Nexen N3000 tires are made for ultra high performance driving. Featuring directional wide aqua groove design, these speed-rated tires resist hydroplaning allowing you to handle wet conditions. With a new shoulder design, this tire improves cornering stability. For high speed driving performance in wet or dry road conditions, the Nexen N3000 is a quiet tire that is designed to last

Don't the 40-series tires feel rough, no matter what? I ran 40-series on the MS3 for a while, and I could feel every little pebble on the road. The slight change back to 45-series helped.

cyber-ms3 08-02-2012 10:57 AM

Hey, I was wondering if anybody is running the Eagle F1 Asymmetrical 2 A/S tires. I was considering between that and the Potenza RE970AS Pole Position.
I was looking for good all around performance longevity and little snow traction. I'm around 17000 miles on the factory potenzas and they are starting to crack so they need to be replaced.

Neverlift 08-02-2012 11:02 AM

Yokohama S Drive / thread

daafisch 08-02-2012 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cudaman (Post 1537863)
Bringing back a dead thread, but this guy is RIGHT! Nexen N3000 at $102 from Walmart is actually AMAZING for the price. Got some recently. Best bang-for-the-buck and they actually still make them in MS3 sizes:

BTW, I blew one of my Kumho tires. I just couldn't get used to those things, they were too harsh riding in the 40 series and spun wildly in corners. I had a new/unused set of old-date-code Nexen N3000s in the garage. You know something, those fricken things are nearly as good as the RE050s. They hookup very well, and spin very little in hard corners. Also makes the ride feel a bit softer than the Kumhos. Probably a bit more sidewall compliance for the same size 225-40 R18, but no squealing or bulging on hard corners. I'd buy them again if they made them, which apparently, they still do.


Wait....you thought the RE050s were a good tire?

kwsmithphoto 08-03-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber-ms3 (Post 1539533)
Hey, I was wondering if anybody is running the Eagle F1 Asymmetrical 2 A/S tires. I was considering between that and the Potenza RE970AS Pole Position.
I was looking for good all around performance longevity and little snow traction. I'm around 17000 miles on the factory potenzas and they are starting to crack so they need to be replaced.

I don't like or need all season tires, but I did just buy a set of the Asymm 2's. They are new to the states but have been around Europe for a while. My main source of info came from this site and the tests they link to:

Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 | the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 reviewed and rated | the online tyre guide

Clearly it's a very well regarded tire across the pond and is a big improvement over the version 1's. I'll let y'all know how they're working for me in a few weeks.

dead-zone 08-03-2012 02:33 AM

@cyber-ms3 That is the perfect tire for yo.
Goodyear—Eagle F1 All Season

Best all season tire. You have no idea how good they handle. After i had them I bought summer Kumos and I could right away tell the difference(not being as good as the F1s).

Goodyear F1 all season have a carbon fiber wall too. And have a wider foot print. Super nice grip. You will be very happy with them, TRUST ME!!

cyber-ms3 08-03-2012 08:58 AM

I didn't mean to thread jack, but @dead-zone, I was considering the asymm 2. These F1's seem to be different.

cyber-ms3 08-03-2012 05:15 PM

I actually meant Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric All-Season

Funkster777 08-03-2012 06:29 PM

I had the original F1 A/S. Stiff sidewall. Loved them. I'm running the RE970AS now. They are great. A little more flex than the F1's but nice. No problems with high speed maneuvers.

dead-zone 08-04-2012 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber-ms3 (Post 1541196)
I didn't mean to thread jack, but @dead-zone, I was considering the asymm 2. These F1's seem to be different.

I got that. I was just giving you an option for a great all season tire, thats all.
Let us know what you decided to get at the end.

cyber-ms3 08-05-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dead-zone (Post 1542712)
I got that. I was just giving you an option for a great all season tire, thats all.
Let us know what you decided to get at the end.

Thanks. I seem to be having a hard time finding a place that sells the asymm a/s in 225/40/18 size

Also, @Funkster777, i saw a few articles that seem to say that the asymm A/s is much better.
http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...ic-all-season/

forcedinduktion 08-05-2012 11:45 AM

Idc what any article says, at the end of the day a dedicated summer/winter set will always out perform a A/S. But for most people a A/S like the F1 will be plenty if you just plan to DD and still have good traction in the summer. Comes down to how much do you want to spend really.

Funkster777 08-05-2012 01:25 PM

Dedicated summer and winter tires are the way to go. I don't want to switch as weather changes too quickly here. I did lots of searching for all season tires. I had the DWS and hated them as too squishy in cornering. I used

Consumer Survey Results By Category

To make my decision. I'm running 225-40/18. Good grip for what I want with great wet grip and good snow grip. I'm also in a MS6 so different handling and weight.

cyber-ms3 08-06-2012 12:52 PM

Wow, that's a good find! lot's of stats based on other people's experience. Thanks

kwsmithphoto 08-08-2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber-ms3 (Post 1545891)
Wow, that's a good find! lot's of stats based on other people's experience. Thanks

You're welcome!

Note that more than a few of those UK reviewers have a Mazda MPS, which is the Euro version of our cars, and they universally like them.

I only have a few dozen street miles but I'm really impressed so far. Especially for the money. They steer well, stop well, and grip well before the stickers are even worn off. At first they seem a little squishy [at 34psi] but they're supposed to be; the carcass needs to deform to give a better contact patch. Higher pressures will tighten up the feel but give you less grip. Ride quality and impact harshness are quite pleasant but they are a bit noisy...which generally doesn't improve over time. So far so good, and the price is terrific right now with the rebate. I was going to do a track day this weekend but can't due to temporary health issues (I have a freakin cast on my left leg!).

They also have a HUGE rim protector, biggest I've ever seen. But beware, a 235/40-18 will rub with an 18x8 wheel at a 45mm offset in the rear. Enough to create little ribbons of rubber from the tread blocks, not the sidewall thank goodness. Going to get that problem solved ASAP.

Here's the only decent image I have yet, which only serves to show that they are very ordinary looking tires. Better images are you know where (Tire Rack).

http://kevinwsmith.com/shared_images/new_skids2.jpg

gotboost 09-03-2012 10:26 AM

If you're looking for tires, I recommend using Tire Rack's ratings to find them. If the tires have a good rating there, then they're probably a good tire. Don't look at the reviews from people, but the "surveys" that tire rack themselves have done.

speed3sb 09-03-2012 11:22 AM

i run as my daily driver setup 18x8 48 offset O.Z ultraleguerra my tires are 245 35 18 federal rs-r's i have coilovers so i use a 5mm spacer up front....hands down i think the federals are insanely good and only about 140$ each..cant beat that price...

08cosmic3 09-03-2012 11:46 AM

I have two sets of wheels/tires. The stock wheels ride with Hankook V12's and my FD's ride with Bridgetone RE-11's. I recently took off the RE-11's and put on the stockers with V12's, after a couple of weeks I couldn't take it any longer and put the RE-11's back on the car. There is simply no comparison between the two setups. The V12's are not a bad tire and many people have them, great tire for the money but the RE-11 is in a class by it's self.

While the RE-11 is very pricey, you get what you pay for. After experiencing the RE-11 I could never go back to a cheap tire. I'm keeping the stockers with V12's off the car and will save them for when I sale the car one day.

kwsmithphoto 09-05-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gotboost (Post 1593180)
If you're looking for tires, I recommend using Tire Rack's ratings to find them. If the tires have a good rating there, then they're probably a good tire. Don't look at the reviews from people, but the "surveys" that tire rack themselves have done.

That doesn't make sense - Tire Rack TESTS most of the tires they sell, and their conclusions show up in the Tire Reviews section. The survey ranking system is entirely different; it's generated by customers who write reviews of their tires.

Point being, you can't really dismiss the written customer reviews while relying on their survey position since they come from the same source. Personally, I like to read the user comments, especially if they come from the owner of the same or similar car.

cudaman 09-19-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnheer (Post 1538096)
Don't the 40-series tires feel rough, no matter what? I ran 40-series on the MS3 for a while, and I could feel every little pebble on the road. The slight change back to 45-series helped.

I have adjustable KW-V3 coilovers. So, I can adjust suspension as needed for smaller sidewall tires. But, yes, for stock suspension, the 40s will be rougher.

kwsmithphoto 09-19-2012 10:05 PM

It really depends on the tires. The 235/40 Goodyear Assym 2's I'm running now are absolutely plush compared to a few sets of 225/45's I've run before, and ride even better than the OEM Bridgestones. Part of that might be attributed to lighter wheels but I doubt it - other than some high frequency road noise, these tires are incredibly comfortable.

g0pher 02-20-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by zpeedfreak (Post 67655)
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star spec.. hands down the best ones...

ones that are good and cheap right know are the kuhmo MX which tire rack have them a 111 each

i've run these on my evo three times so far and love them. a great tire and honestly i think they'd be great on the ms3 :)

falken rt-615k's are the only others i ran that would compare imo.

i LOVED kuhmo ectsa mx's but no longer available, haven't had a chance to try out the xs's but my friend liked them a lot.


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