Hankook Ventus V12 Cornering
 

I just bought a set of stock sized Ventus V12 tires because lots of people on here and tire rack give them great reviews. I must be missing something; when I do any sort of quick cornering, or high speed cornering I can literally feel the back end slipping.

Is this something that will go away? I was running Goodyear Eagle GT before this and never had any cornering issues.

Give them time. If you just got them, they still have release compound on them, which will cause some slippage. I've never run them, but I've heard great stuff about them.

Every tire will have some break in time, but these Hankooks are still a little squirmy in the sidewalls. They will get better as they break in, but will always have some sidewall flex. I had them on my MSP (215/45/17) and they were feeling pretty good after a few hundred miles or so.

they're greasy in the beginning. they're not the best, but you get what you pay for.

Stock wheels and V12's are on my car currently, I hate them.:angryfire: I moving on to the Nitto NTO5's and Konig Milligrams.:headbang:

You'll love the nt05's.

i have v12 and it took almost close to 1000 miles for them to break in for me before they would start slipping. should leave it in the rear and drive slow or put it in the front and do some burnouts lol haven't tried that yet.

The V12's have soft sidewalls which make them a smooth riding and quiet tire but the sidewalls will flex in a hard curve. Adding a few lbs of pressure to the tires will stiffen them up some. Most people buy them because they are one least expensive options. I have them on my stock wheels for long trips due to the comfort the tire brings but have another set of wheels with much better tires for when it's time to play.

I've never tried the V12's... But you did mention the NT05's - they run like a dream IMO.... SUPER GRIP and they take hard corners quite well. Only con I see is tread wear. I bet they only last about 10k miles.

To give u an idea of traction.... I'm just over 300 WHP and they barely slp in 3rd gear pulls. 2nd gear pulls they do spin some, but traction is still there for the most part.

Ever own a set?

They are an awesome choice for a cheap DD tire...

Maybe so if your wallet is lite, but you get what you pay for with these tires. Just don't expect the highest level performance from the Hankook Evo V12's and you won't be disappointed. I've learned my lesson.

Well, I spend my budget money on my DD tires that I can have more/better treads for track usage. I don't see the need for a "zomg amazing" dd tire..especially where I live. I'd rather spend the $200 saved on a great set of track tires than having great DD tires and decent track tires.

To each their own though.

I've been running the V12's for 8k miles and they are wearing with amazing resistance! Especially to these harsh NE roads. I also fudged myself and bought WAY too skinny of a tire..however they are still holding up great to my aggressive driving.

No i've never "owned" a set...but I have used them quite a bit on a car I don't own. The sidewalls are faaar to soft. Grip is sub par. I have also seen with the sidewalls bulging out and or cracking. To me they feel more like your average run of the mill tire...not a performance tire.

As stated you get what you pay for. GET YOUR PANTIES OUT OF A BUNCH HELMETFAIL...so let me reiterate.... hankook v12 evos's suck the biggest balls ever....one of the worst tires i've ever had the chance to drive

I choose to run better then your run of the mill tire for excelent DD use and stopping power in metropolitan driving.

They really aren't THAT bad

Does somebody have a bone to pick or what?? Honestly... especially considering you've never owned a set, you're really in no position to talk as a position of authority. Are the v12's a fantastic tire? No. But they are a good value for the money and still hold their own when you push them to their limits. I've been running mine for over 10k miles and considering I payed 120 a corner I can't complain. Not everyone can be a DD rubber snob like yourself.

The v12's are a decent daily driving tire. The are quiet and they grip OK. I just went through a set and for commuting they were good. As said, give the tires a little bit to break in and they will be a little better.

I ran them on my SVT Focus in 215/45/17 which is stock size for that car.

Personally I didn't like them very much solely because of the soft sidewalls. They never felt very confident, and even with brand new suspension the car felt like a Buick during quick maneuvers on the highway.

A friend of mine runs them on his '08 Vette and likes them for their wear characteristics and DD comfort.

I wouldn't buy them again and I'd be very hesitant to recommend them to most folks looking for a performance summer tire.

They are great for what they are, a quiet comfortable DD tire with enough grip for all the DD I do.
My only caution would be that they are great in the wet when new, but when worn they were VERY dangerous.
Check the tread design and you will see why.
I took them off early because their behavior in the wet was unacceptable to me with approx 20% usable tread left before the wear bar.

I don't have a bone to pick...well maybe. And yeah I probably am a rubber snob....

There is just better tires to be had for a little bit more money. Shit those 4 contact patches are the only thing that connects you to the ground and lets your car perform.

I just hate that whenever a tire thread pops up...a lot of guys say "hey get ventus v12 evo's they're awesome and cheap." The latter is true.

BTW 50% of people I know have had ventus v12's....they've failed. One of those persons is James @Enki....the other his sidewalls started cracking on both front tires and still had decent meat.

I've driven on them...I've seen bad reviews, up close might I add. V12 evos are a fail in my book. If I go hankook they will be rs3's.

V12 are slightly better than gen won stock rubber but only after they scrub in. If I would have known about the local track near me, I never would have spent the money on them, and would have been running either star specs or nt05 (what I have now).

I find these tires awesome for straight line traction for a DD tire at a good price point.

I personally do not push the car to the limit in turns, so I have never noticed any sloppiness due to sidewall flex.

NT-05s are fucking tits for the moniez.

I will be running them again, when I smash the current set.

Amazing tires won't make up for being a complete moron.

I feel MSF has already shunned you for your stupidity.

I didn't feel the need to respond to your comments, but when I saw the GIGANTIC RED LETTERS, I couldn't resist.

I'm not arguing with anyone- saying they are the best. I simply said that the do they the job and on a budget. However, you seem to just enjoy confrontation the point of yelling at brick walls. Daddy hit you too much when you were in diapers?

Quit being an asshat. Get laid. And drink a fucking beer.

Pretty sure I'm not butt hurt like you fools,
And I guess MSF has been shunning me since....feb 09

Some of you newly joined noobs are overly sensitive since you didn't get a dose of what the old forums were like.

Fuck you too 86.

I owe you a stock turbo asswhoopin.

You're gonna get your ego hurt James.

I'm also going to tune my AFR to 7's. I'm gonna jizz dirty unburned gasoline all over your corn eating face.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

hahahaha funny as shit. BTW did another revisions... maybe like 5 more revisions before I'm perfect. Almost 400 (390) dynojet correction. And when I did a low rpm pull around 450wtq.

This thread is fucking bullshit.

Serious fucking bullshit.

I shouldn't have to explain why this thread is bullshit either.

I'm really disappointed in some of you here. You're fucking slipping.

All I know is I've trolled this thread long enough.

sorry to break up this hot and sweaty make up session, but what psi do you guys recommend for the hankooks?

What are we talking about here just dd use? I would run recommended for wear purposes and for gas mileage and contact patch area reasons.

I mean you can pump them up more for feel purposes...but you do at the expense of lateral and longitudal acceleration

Best grip = 32 front 35 rear.

You fucking jerk. I thought you were being cereal.

I fail at troll recognition.


I was like, "How can you talk shit on V12's? They're like $130 a tire and twice as sticky as the stock potenzas."

No I was trolling...but like joking there is truth to trolling. V12s are decent for the money...but I need something to quelm the rebellious forces of my engine. 245 width nt05s are doing the trick.

Raced a Camero and mustang from a dig last night...with these tires they didn't even get the jump. Once third gear came bus lengths ensued.

I would say for 30 more get Conti DWS tires

I'm still happy with my V12's even after a year of beating the piss out of my car. I added 2 PSI to all 4 and the sidewalls feel much better.

Pay 30 more for an all-season tire that will be inferior in warm conditions in almost every respect to even the cheapest summer tire? Hmm.

I think you mean DW.

The DWS is an all season tire and makes the MS3 drive like a bus. I know. I exchanged the DWS' for the V12's. They were horrible compared to a dedicated summer tire.

DWS = Dry/Wet/Snow - All season

DW = Dry/Wet - Summer

The difference between the two are night and day.

Now, comparing NT05's to V12's is just silly. NT05's are a step away from R compounds and will last you half as long as the V12's under DD conditions.

Real tire snobs have a dedicated track set up and run something conservative on these shitty roads.

I like my DWS. i only buy all season tires at the moment. Until i get another set of rims for this car i will run all season. Even being an all season tire i honestly dont there that bad, cornering is ok, striaght line traction is just as good as any other all season i bet. Beside that idk if i would ever buy a tire without some kind of tread wear warrenty

Yokohama S Drives are a much better tire vs the v12 in every condition.

I can't comment on NT05 but you guys seem to love them.

I think OP's tires will prove better after a few heat cycles.

But, as to ^ above, if you're gonna go Yokohama's step up to the Advan Neova AD08's. Amazing tires. All the straight line traction and absolutely incredibly sharp transitions and crispness in turn in. Like the steering is lazer guided. I don't road race or autocross, but if I did, I'd think these would be close to the top of most wish lists. Ain't cheap, but cheaper than PS2's etc.

The V12's outperformed the S-drives and Advans in wet traction falling in right behind the almighty star specs.

These are damn good tires for the price. Plain and simple.

I'm on my 2nd set of V12's. The tire will corner better if you add a few lbs of air over what the car spec calls for. They are a little soft in the sidewalls and if you run them at 32 lbs you will get sidewall flex. I run 38 front 35 rear. I have had these tires on hard curves and you can feel the sidewall flex but the tire still holds. These are my DD tires. I bought a set of FD wheels 16x8 so I could afford a set of extreme performance tires. 16 inch tires a way cheaper than 18. I bought the Bridgestone RE-11's in 225/50 and they look like 235. This tire is amazing but at $270 a piece in 18 I could never afford them.

The V12's can in no way match up to the Re-11's and I don't expect them too. If all you are spending is $120 a tire for 18" tires then you can't expect them to corner like a $270 tire.

On 35 pounds up front I found they got too hot too quickly and let go at the worst moments. 32 pounds kept me going through turns for longer.

I've got a pile of miles on my V12s and I'm generally happy with them on my DD.

I've run them at a couple track days as well, and yes the V12 might have good grip, but the feel isn't as good as even the stock rubber. I felt much more confident pushing the stock rubber than the V12s.

Would I buy them again? For my DD that might see a couple track days a year? Yes.

I'd also be willing to spend another $20 or so per tire for something better, maybe.

Would I buy them again if great track performance was a high priority? No way.

Having driven both in every condition I disagree with that. Given I expect more from my tires... v12 might as well be 912's in the wet. I can't believe how much of a let down they were after all the circle jerking that goes on here about them.

@Daddy Chinkus how would you compare your v12 to what you have seen from S Drives?

As for the AD08 comment... that's 180 treadwear and has no place in this convo.

Yeah, but you're already bias out of the gate. If you could afford it, you'd DD R compounds in a heartbeat.

All we are doing here is telling people how good the V12's are for the price. Not to mention, the s-drives and advans are practically in a different price range all together.

I got a vid of @86azms3 (using nt05's) cutting me off (v12's), damn asshole. It's alright though, I got back at him.....has some language, excuse his mouth

I prefer the term experienced vs. biased. If I thought I needed R comps I would get them. I am perfectly happy with shitty Ecsta AST's or whatever I have been buying since July.

The S drives are maybe 10 dollars more on the top end and a few bucks more on Tirerack... and come in wider sizes w/ smaller sidewalls than the v12

I didn't realize that OP put either a treadwear rating or price limitation on his post? Don't see it there.

When comparing tires, price and treadwear rating are important, but he was talking about the tires not cornering well.

I realize that the AD08's are up there close to RE-11's and PS2's in cost, but they represent cutting edge technology in a tire that you can drive on the street, get decent tread wear and then still track them aggressively all season.

Not knocking the V-12's great tires. Just offering an opinion justifed by the ratings that the AD08's are positively miraculous in their traction and cornering abilities on the track, for a non-R tire.

v12's are great tires for hard parkers

the end

<200 treadwear is not an all season. That would make them irrelevant to the discussion. :buttkick:

Price was mentioned by Dash while looking at the wrong tire to compare prices to v12.

Moving forward... Derek has spoken & it was my fault he bought the v12's... I didn't know about S Drives at the time. I am on a mission to save others from making the same mistake.

....or I am just bored at work & Tony should join me some bong tokes. @Dash08 lol

Exactly my thoughts.

All season? I didn't realize that V12 were an all season tire? I thought they were summer only max performance. How/when did this discussion turn into A/S tires?

Geez, our OEM Bridgestones were 140 treadwear rated. The AD08's, at 180 are considerably "harder" and awefully close to whatever magic someone wants to place in a 200 tread wear rating, for whatever that may be worth.

I agree that the V12 are good tires and amazing for the price. But what is the source of the statement above?

I have not seen a test comparing the V12's to the AD08's, in the dry or wet. Where can I find that? Thanks

Why does everyone over look the Nitto NT555s? The cost less, last longer, better grip, stiffer sidewall, and I have seen many good review. I love these tires. I have them on my Speed3 and also had them on this bad boy:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...1/IMG_2959.jpg

I am sorry... I forget the less fortunate need different tires for the seasons.

Anyway, what can we gather from all this? Yokohama dominates every category they are in & Hankook should only make RS3's :notworthy:

I have no idea where I found those reviews. It was quite awhile ago when I was in the market for new tires. During my random internet searching, I stumbled on to them.

One of the reviews was for wet traction tests. It included Star specs, V12's, Advans, S-drives, and a couple others. According to these people, the V12's came in second behind the star specs.

Don't ask me to confirm the validity of these claims. I can't.

The bottom line is that for anyone who does not track their car, V12's are more than enough tire for your needs.

Just so everyone knows, when I was looking into tires, the advans and S-drives were a good 50-60 dollars more per tire than the V12's. I don't know where you guys get your prices, but that's the way it is.

Yeah, the AD08's do cost more and I realize that price is a consideration, maybe a very important one for some. The V12's are good tires at their price point, but they actually came in dead last against other Max Performance tires in a recent test Link here:

Tires : Test Results : The Tire Rack

I don't think they were ever tested against AD08's, RE-11's or Star Specs. The Star Specs finished 3rd in the Extreme Performance test link below. AD08's were first in most categories but lost out by just a hair to the RE-11's, most probably due to the RE-11's being more comfortable, and subjectively a tiny bit easier to control at the limit.

Tires : Test Results : The Tire Rack

I was just trying to make the point that if you don't mind paying a little more you can get a lot more tire. If you are on a budget, the V12's represent an excellent cost/value/performance compromise. if on a budget one might want to look at the Sumitomo HTR Z III, which had surprising performance at only $131 per tire in a size that would probably fit our rims with comparable height and tread width (although not exact stock size).

Unfortunately, I was on a very strict budget. Everything else in the V12 price range was pure shit. No name brands with questionable quality and materials. Anything name brand that was better than the V12's was way out of my budget. I also needed to consider treadwear.

I don't track the car and I don't go on canyon runs. So, I saw no need in spending the extra money for stickier tires that won't last as long.

Because of my strict budget, I had to make the logical decision.

^ And it was a good one. The V12 has a good reputation on this board, especially for great straight line performance. I was merely expressing an opinion on other options people might consider, depending on their needs and their budget. I did not mean to offend.

Same place everyone gets their prices... $24 more per set of 4

Yokohama—S.drive

Hankook—Ventus V12 evo K110

Cornering is in the thread title. Once again, irrrelephant to the discussion.

That's why I suggested the AD08's and got jumped because superior cornering can cost more. Sometimes it's worth it to save the nickels and dimes a bit longer and purchase Extreme Performance tires.

But if you can't step up to the Extreme Performance tires and cornering is important, consider some of the other tires in the Tire Rack comparison test on Max Performance summer tires.

Meh I would just buy rs3's if I wanted to be glued to the ground. Had 3 sets last spring... awesome tire with decent wear life. :naughty:

I noticed that as well, but as I said, when I was shopping for tires the advans and s-drives were quite a bit more.

They have dropped the prices on those since I last bought tires. So, you can understand my decision.