Made a decision
 

Ok so I've finally decided to throw a set of wheels on my car because I'm so sick ofthe stock ones yuck!
I'm planning to pick up a set of 5zigen FN01R-C's in bronze after I gather the cash.

Now I've done a bunch of searching but I don't fully understand this whole offset/tire/spacer thing going on so I'll just throw out my idea and get reamed lol.

I'd like to pick them up in 17x9 with a 43 offset and run a 255/40 Nitto NT-05. I was also considering an 18x8.5 +43 with maybe a 235/40 or 245/40 tire (depends what fits best) also NT-05.

Should I maybe try for a lower offset like +35 or +15 instead? I'd just like something to fit with nothing much more than a roll in the back

As of now I'm on stock suspension but plan to pick up a set of KW V1's when cash allows. I know I'll need a roll in the rear but what else??

43 is pretty low for our cars. Running a 255 you will most likely rub all around. I would shoot for the 18s with a 235/40. Should be ok with a 43 offset with that setup. Once you get dropped my might to do some more rolling, but nothing to terribly serious.

Bump. Needz moar input!!

go for the 18x8.5's +43...I've got 235/40/18s right now, no rubbing even with how dropped I am...not sure about how much room the ms3 has. You might be able to squeeze some 245's on.

I haven't read the first post yet but if it doesn't involve selling the mazda and getting something AWD I'm groaning you.

like a speed6? lol

So I think I picked the 18x8.5 just want clarification on the proper offset...

if they fit flush on an evo they are the right fit.....

Dammit Phil!

BUMP! Still considering the same wheels but still unclear on offset.

Where the fuck are all of you wheel/tire gurus and whores at?!

Wheels? At least they are slightly better the neon. I only spend money on HP.

I have my own ways to gain HP without spending $$$

It's called giving blowjobs, kids.


Tapadatass

Not sure how much it relates to you but...

I have an 18x8 +48 on 235/40 and I wish that I had more tire and I wish the wheels were about a 1/2" further out at each corner to get a nicer flushness to them.

So...basically, I wish I had done an 8.5" wheel with a 40-43mm offset...

While 18" looks better, That fitment is perfect for this car. It's a bit agressive for most people, but it's as functional as it gets. You just need to a roll in the rear. GO WITH THAT SETUP! You won't regret it. Not to mention tires are cheaper for 17's, you'll save money on tires in the long run.

@driver311
@justint5387

Offset will be fine. I run the same exact setup. 18x8.5 45 offset but I run 5m spacer. So basically 40 offset. Also I run 255/35 and they fit great. I wouldnt go 245/40 though. To tall. Go 235/40 or 245/35. For best fit.

If you're like everyone else here and hate the hellaflush look then you don't want anythign near a +15 and +35 is pushing it if you want to run that wide a tire.

The 17 inch setup has been done.

17x9 +44 245/40 RS2, he was running a 5mm spacer up front though, probably to clear the strut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DSC_6608.jpg

Ok so to clarify 17x9 with at least a +40 offset will work without rubbing?

I'm not a huge fan of the hellaflush look for sure. I much prefer function to form lol.


I guess the next task is finding a tire size that works.....running a 245 or 255 tire would be fucking epic!

Will both of those fit with a 40 sidewall with a 17" wheel as opposed to an 18?

Thanks for all of your help, wheel and tire fitment always confuses me fml

My Excel calcs going from stock GenJuan rims to 17x9's:

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...17InchRims.jpg

You will want a 245/45 to maintain speedo accuracy.

Only if you don't plan on lowering or with soft springs. He'll need the extra ride height or the slightly shorter sidewall to keep the rear tire off the fender.

Either way its probably going to rub at time no matter what you do.

Post some pictures when you get it together, everyone likes pictures.

Yea i think ill b going with 18x8.5 with a 245/50 tire since i don't plan on dropping much if at all . is 40 offset ok for 245s and a slight drop

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I'm guessing those are work cr-Kai? What suspension is that ms3 on?

I hope thats a typo. A 245/50 is over an inch taller than the stock 215/45 tire. They wouldn't fit at stock height and say goodbye to your fenders at the first bump.


Yes Work CR-Kai. He was on BC coilovers.

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@Nliiitend1
You're the wheel/tire/suspension guru around here IMO, a little help please?

So wait, you're still thinking 17x9s?

I just want to make sure I understand the question... http://forums.focaljet.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Just remember that with a 9" wide wheel if you plan on running coilovers you're likely going to need an effective offset in the 30s to make sure you're clearing the struts/springs/perches in the front and the shocks in the rear, which means you're going to be massaging the fenders any way you slice it.

As for the tires, I love the NT05s. It's hard to go wrong with them.

Wait really? This is fucking ridiculous!! How do any of you manage to lower your cars with aftermarket wheels?! lol

As much as I want 9" wide rims and 245's / 255's, I'll probably go with an 8.5" rim and 235's.

the width you can run depends on your suspension a lot, and what kind of beating you are willing to put up with when you drive your car. you should take a look at my car next nator meet. i have evo x wheels (i know theyre overdone, but i love the look). so thats 8.5 on 235/40 on BCs and i love the feel. i am running a 5mm in the rear and a 3mm in the front. you can run 245 on these with a roll and pull. if you need help installing coils and rolling/pulling let me know. also, just for fun go to willtheyfit.com and put in your stockers plus want you want to get an idea of how much theyll 'poke' and height/speedo differences and such. also research as some tire manufacturers 235s are wider than others.

I'm just running plain ol' RX-8 wheels with 235s... :(

I'll have to check it out for sure and I'm sure I'll be in touvh about the install.

Boorrrriiiinnnngggggg!! Time to upgrade!!!

If you are going to run a 17x9 wheel you will need at least a 5mm spacer in the front to clear.

I'm planning on running 17x9 +45 with a 5mm spacer in the front and 255/40's all the way around. I test fitted some rpf1's with hankook ventus v12's with the previously mentioned specs and even with the 5mm spacer the little hairs on the sidewall of the tire were touching the front struts (bc coilovers).

When I get my rpf1's, I'm gonna run hankook RS3's (a little bit skinier than the v12's I think). Its gonna be a tight fit but it can be done. Also with the right amount of camber you won't rub on the fronts but you will need roll the rear fenders and cut a little material off the point where the rear fender and the rear bumper meet. At first I was all like "hell no!! I aint cutting shit on my car!!" but then I was like "because racecar" <fires up dremel>

I love you Alan

you need a 3mm spacer at the very least to clear a 17x9. 5mm will just give you an extra 2mm of clearance. I'm not sure what niitend is talking about on the 17x9 fitment, anything above +40 will fit easily, anything under is too much poke IMO. 245/40 is the favorable size as opposed to 45 since it is a taller tire.

How feasible do you find a 255/40 to be then?

255/35 might be a better choice and especially if you plan to lower. Its only slightly shorter than stock.

We are still talking about 18 inch wheels here or are we back to 17's?

We're on 17's. Those are my choice

you can't adjust wheel size in the AP?

255/40 should be fine height wise.

No. I wish we could.


Tapadatass

Dude, I think you might be confused (or at the very least, you're confusing the point).

You sit there and talk about how you need spacers to clear a 17x9, and then turn around and say that anything with greater than a +40 offset will fit easily? Which is it?

If you need 5 mm spacers with a 17x9 +45 wheel to make it fit, then your effective offset it +40 (which is nearly "in the 30s")...

If you need 5 mm spacers with a 17x9 +40 wheel to make it fit, then your effective offset is +35 (which is right smack dab "in [the middle of] the 30s")...

:dunno:

What the Hell are you talking about??

Effective offset shouldn't be lower than +40.. most 17x9 wheels in our fitment are typically around around +45, being the median offset in +40 range...effective offsets of nearrly 30's doesn't make it that. Either way, it fits with a roll, and you can put a decent size tire on it. I'm also saying that you don't need a 5mm spacer to clear, people have gotten away with 3mm, it gives you that much more threads on your stock studs.

So right now to run a 17x9 +43 wheel with 255/40 tires I'll need to roll the rear fenders, trim where the bumper meets the fender and use either a 3mm or 5mm spacer in the front. Did I miss anything?

Edit: I'm assuming camber will also be a necessity to an extent?

Correct. Are you still on stock suspension? Hopefully you have those v1's that you were talking about a while ago. I could've sworn I saw a couple ms3's on 17x9 rpf1s with stock style struts and 255's at OCC meet this past spring. For the front camber you will not need adjustment, although the car greatly benefits from it. My Tein Super Streets do not have built in camber adjustment like other coils. I have spc rear camber arms dialed into -1.5* which isn't very far off stock specs. I'm not sure how much static camber you are getting without arms, but you can get a good amount. If you go with 255 I would get the rear camber arms. You can get away with 245/40 without arms, just depends on how much camber you have as is. I recently test fitted my wheels on a speed3 this weekend, it was dropped (close to max low) on bc's with a fair amount of rear camber (no adjustable rear arms) looked like he could get away with a just a roll, no arms needed. I'd get the adjustable rear arms just for the sake of not eating up tires. BTW, I have spoke to @tigermack regarding their STX speed3 and they seem to think 255 is good for the front but you're better off going 245 in the rear. Besides better rotation, I don't know why 255's all around wouldn't be more appealing. You're better off asking him or his brother @justint5387 regarding their car prep.


one of the cars at OCC, the other one was white, and I think he was the one on 255's. I know he's on here somewhere..

If you're adding rear negative camber via adjustable camber links in order to fit wider tires, you're "doing it wrong," IMO.

More negative rear camber means more understeer, which isn't what anyone looking for a well-handling MS3 should be after...

Like I said, it's pretty close to factory specs. Would you consider -1.5* too much? Just trying to get your opinion here, because I already know it works for me and have had great results at a regional level of autox with this setup. I'm not the only one either. I feel like you don't even need that much (-1.5*) camber to clear the rolled fenders. IMO, this setup is barely aggressive by any means. Yet, you can still fit fat tires without sacrificing performance. Plenty of people out there fitting this setup without "too much camber" or "doing it wrong" The Tsang brothers have used that much rear camber in their FSP 3 and in their STX speed3, tell them that they're doing it wrong.

Whether or not -1.5° in the rear is "too much" or not depends widely upon both what the car is set up for and what the front camber/caster values are.

For an MS3 with anything less than about -2° front camber, I'd say that yes, -1.5° is probably too much (especially for autocross - for open track it may be arguable depending on driving style/course layout).

But at any rate, I'm getting off of my original point, which is that you really shouldn't ever be adding negative camber with those rear arms. They're needed to remove unwanted increased negative camber in with relation to the front negative camber on lowered cars, or for the purpose of cross-camber removal. I'm just saying that you're not likely helping the handling prowess of an MS3 by adding rear negative camber with them unless you're running extremely aggressive negative front camber and need to dial the tail-happiness of the car down a notch or two.

Do you happen to know stock rear camber values? I know the car comes with at least a degree of negative camber from the factory. There are huge variances when it comes to alignment though, I just don't see .5* (if that) being very significant.

While I agree that the bigger picture regarding overall alignment is more important; I think the addition of more negative camber in the rear is a negligible amount. I do not find that i've sacrificed performance on any of the autox courses I have driven on. I'm open to trying new things, so I will try dialing the camber back a bit and see how that goes.

To OP, don't make that shy you away from that setup though. Driving styles are very different and what works for one person may not work for another. How you set your alignment up affects that.

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I'm not sure about the differences in fitment from gen 1 to gen 2, but CS's shop car in this blog has some good pics with 8.5" +45 wheels and 235 tires. They have pics on stock suspension and with H&R Sports a little further down the page. I like this perfectly flush fit personally, so 8.5" on +45s is what I'll be getting for my MS3. I'm still not sure about what I need for the MS6.

I have -1.8 rear camber, don't remember exactly. Could be just me, too little camber makes the car turn in a little slower, I prefer to get the turning done early.

The genpu has wider fenders. Lots of 17 inch setups have been done, where's Mack?

there is an evo tuner 2miles from me selling bbs mr 18x8.5...with 245s (i think)

OMG possibly my favorite OEM wheel on any car period!! How much?!

i actually sold them to him off my ms3 for his personal car for $1100...i will email and ask him and let you know.

How could you let those go?! lol

I run -1.1º in the rear, but I only have -1.4º in the front, so you could say that overall my car's a bit "camber-challenged." With my toe set to zero in the rear and with the front toed out 1/16" total in the front, my car turns in quite quickly. :dunno:


I'd also like to say that depending on the particular camber curve of the setup, yes, half a degree of static camber can make a HUGE difference in how the car responds.

Everyone has different interpretation of turn in, but i would never run front toe in on my cars

Why are you toed in? We ran 1/4" toe out in the rear... and about 1/16 toe out in the front.

I run close to -2 at one point in the rear. Faster turn in but in longer turns, it starts to grip harder so I dropped it to -1.8.

He said toed out 1/16, aka -1/16.

0 rear toe, -1.1 rear camber, -1/16 front toe, -1.4 front camber.

These posts are blowing my mind....

Do not feah de alignment specs.

^This.

I still can't find my last record sheet that has my final caster values (which is why I haven't yet posted in the recent Alignment Thread), but I basically had the guys maximize (while keeping them pretty much even from side to side) both caster and camber using the slop in the top mount bolts.

I probably have a little more camber to gain if I fuck with the front subframe, but I probably won't get around to that until this Spring when the summer wheels/tires go back on. I'm been toying with the idea of ever-so-slightly dropping the ride height on both ends and figure that might be a good time to give it the ol' college try.

...and again, you guys (tigermack and justint8357) are running a LOT more front camber than I am. If I were running as much as you, I'd have my rear camber set significantly further in the negative direction as well.

Good info getting thrown around in this thread.

I have purchased some RPF1s 17x9 +45 and they are fitted with AD08s 245/40s. Planning on fitting the wheels to the car in the next coming weeks, so I might try and post up some info with photos on the fitment.

I'm hoping that I won't have to use a spacer up front and might get away with just a roll/trim! Running stock suspension at the moment too.

Rolled in the rear
5mm Spacers up front
Stock Suspension - Needs moar low!
No rubbing at the moment!

Room Up Front
http://i44.tinypic.com/2btymc.jpg

Room In The Back
http://i39.tinypic.com/6f8idy.jpg


http://i43.tinypic.com/s6m06q.jpg

im looking at 17x8.5 +40 PF01's next year

will probably wrap them in 245/45's

also intend to drop down on H&R coils

should be interesting haha

I'm thinking about running a 255/40-17 @ same as stock height, 10" wide, what wheel offset would work best without rubbing? What width?

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hahah, good luck. only way i have seen tens run is stretch+camber

did the OP ever get the wheels installed? i'm interested in possibly running a 17x8.5 +44 with perhaps 235/40 all around. stock height ATM but looking into either coilovers or H&R springs/Koni Yellows.. .still have more research to do

that should fit fine.

You might find you'll have to roll the rear fenders if you drop the car, but on stock suspension that should fit no problem.

OP hasn't installed anything yet. Need more go-fast goodies first lol

Yeah should fit fine.
I run 17x8 +40 but I took off around 3mm so the actual offset should be around +43
I have 235/45 all around and I rub a bit in the back but since I have trackday-tyres they are a bit wider than street-tyres.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4...j1164313em.jpg
http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/4...j1164329em.jpg

Stock height
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6...j1175628em.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4408/dsf3716.jpg

Kw coils
http://jonatanfoto.se/MPS/images/large/_DSF3830.jpg
http://jonatanfoto.se/MPS/images/lar...F4069_Edit.jpg
http://jonatanfoto.se/MPS/images/lar...F3870_Edit.jpg

@802MS3

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...7x9-cwp-78139/

but I'm sure according to the suspension guru's, my setup is probably not optimal. I only have bilsteins, with not much ability to adjust front camber, and have rear camber set at almost -2.0, eibach springs, with cobb rear sway set on the softer setting. I think it handles fine, and I kind of like how hard it is to get the rear to break loose, and I ran it at NHMS like this for 2 days straight, and it felt fine. So I dunno, but I would love to get more front camber in the spring. definitely gonna be changing it up when it gets warm.

Your car setup looks awesome, I'm thinking about getting 17's and 255/40-17. But lowering it like that wouldn't be to practical on the streets here, Last summer I had Cobb springs & 225/40-18's and my front lip was rubbing on all the approaches. So do you think your setup would rub fenders with the oe springs? I'm looking for something wider for more holeshot traction.


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I'm fine with rolling my rear fenders. the roads here in CA and back in Texas aren't that bad. I'd like to run the exact setup posted in page 1 (red MS3 w/17x9) but like I said, wanna research it more. I know it will depend heavily on what suspension setup I choose. and i don't want to rattle my kid in the backseat to death haha.

OP: go fast parts FTW

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