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PapaSmurf 03-09-2013 09:22 PM

Has anyone ran 245/45/17 on 17x9's +45

I'll have coil overs/camber arms/ rolled fenders and possibly a pull if needed

Doberman 03-10-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boost Addict (Post 1939620)
New setup rear shot 17x9.5 et29, camber arms are on the way.

That has to poke something serious.

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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf (Post 1939643)
Has anyone ran 245/45/17 on 17x9's +45

I'll have coil overs/camber arms/ rolled fenders and possibly a pull if needed

I'm running 255/40's. they rub a lot even with full roll and a pull. I imagine 245/40's would be better. Not sure about the added height of a 45 series.

Boost Addict 03-10-2013 01:24 PM

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps52dd768e.jpg

dastpe 03-10-2013 07:16 PM

@BoostAddict;

what did you do with the old wheels?

PapaSmurf 03-10-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Doberman (Post 1940181)
That has to poke something serious.



I'm running 255/40's. they rub a lot even with full roll and a pull. I imagine 245/40's would be better. Not sure about the added height of a 45 series.

only reason I ask is because im going to be putting some mickey thompson ET streets up front and they only come in 245/45/17, but then again I have 3 sets of wheels, so I can just keep my QTP's for when im fucking around and actually need traction in a straight line. and Ill have my 17x9's dedicated to turning and looking pretty etc lol

Boost Addict 03-10-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dastpe (Post 1940792)
@BoostAddict;

what did you do with the old wheels?

I sold them a few weeks ago

Downmented 03-11-2013 03:55 PM

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ash4390 03-12-2013 09:04 AM

Just got yet another set of RPF1s...

18x9.5 +38 with 245/35/18 Federal 595 RS-R. Getting some rubbing on bumps on the rear, but I didn't roll flat originally with my 17x9 RPF1s... I'll be taking care of that tomorrow! Car will then go MOAR LOW!

http://i.imgur.com/j5wVSlx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/01iAALG.jpg

Quigs 03-12-2013 10:35 AM

Looks good with the 18 inch RPF1s. Looking forward to more pics once you drop it some more!

superskaterxes 03-12-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf (Post 1940937)
only reason I ask is because im going to be putting some mickey thompson ET streets up front and they only come in 245/45/17, but then again I have 3 sets of wheels, so I can just keep my QTP's for when im fucking around and actually need traction in a straight line. and Ill have my 17x9's dedicated to turning and looking pretty etc lol

why diddent u go with the hooiser DR's?

2k4_8 03-12-2013 06:17 PM

@ash4390; Car looks sick man, good job.

I do have a fitment question, I've searched the site on google and the site itself and the setup I've come up with for autox is 17x9 +38 (maybe 40 haven't got that completely nailed down yet) with 245/40/17 DIIs for autox and DD duty. Just want to confirm that a fender roll flat will get this setup under the car without issues. I will be lowered on swifts and have camber arms for the rear. Just want to make sure before I got spend almost 2 grand on wheels and tires lol I think it'll leave me around 5mm between the tire and perch, but it kind of depends on how the tires fit and I may need a small spacer up front, sounds like it should work though?

Tweaek 03-17-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2k4_8 (Post 1944553)
@ash4390; Car looks sick man, good job.

I do have a fitment question, I've searched the site on google and the site itself and the setup I've come up with for autox is 17x9 +38 (maybe 40 haven't got that completely nailed down yet) with 245/40/17 DIIs for autox and DD duty. Just want to confirm that a fender roll flat will get this setup under the car without issues. I will be lowered on swifts and have camber arms for the rear. Just want to make sure before I got spend almost 2 grand on wheels and tires lol I think it'll leave me around 5mm between the tire and perch, but it kind of depends on how the tires fit and I may need a small spacer up front, sounds like it should work though?

Go 17x9 +45 with a 5mm spacer up front. I required a slight toll in the rear. I don't know about the gen 2 particularly on the rolling part.

With that size and offset you can run. 255/40's

Downmented 03-18-2013 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tweaek (Post 1953749)
Go 17x9 +45 with a 5mm spacer up front. I required a slight toll in the rear. I don't know about the gen 2 particularly on the rolling part.

With that size and offset you can run. 255/40's


This is retarded, if you are buying wheels, buy the correct offset. Spacers are a band aid for stupidity. Dont buy the wrong offset then attempt to correct your mistake with spacers.

Doberman 03-18-2013 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1953994)
This is retarded, if you are buying wheels, buy the correct offset. Spacers are a band aid for stupidity. Dont buy the wrong offset then attempt to correct your mistake with spacers.

You have to be kidding. The 5mm spacers are needed just to clear coilovers up front. Hardly a band aid.

Sent from my phablet.

Downmented 03-18-2013 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Doberman (Post 1954043)
You have to be kidding. The 5mm spacers are needed just to clear coilovers up front. Hardly a band aid.

Sent from my phablet.

Then why not buy them with the affective offset to compensate for that needed 5mm? Its common sense dude.

Its one thing if you find a deal on some wheels but the only downside is needing to run that 5mm spacer. But if that isnt the case, then buy the correct offset. Plain and simple

dastpe 03-18-2013 07:45 AM

Why does a spacer matter? Some wheels aren't made in the desired offset. That's the point of a spacer. Small spacers are not detrimental to performance or the car so why does it even matter?

Downmented 03-18-2013 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dastpe (Post 1954137)
Why does a spacer matter? Some wheels aren't made in the desired offset. That's the point of a spacer. Small spacers are not detrimental to performance or the car so why does it even matter?

Thats my point, if the desired offset is offered, (which in the case of this conversation it is) then why NOT get them in the desired offset to avoid the need for a spacer?

If the desired offset is NOT offered, then yes, obviously a spacer is needed. But dont make things more difficult than they need to be.

2k4_8 03-18-2013 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1954142)
Thats my point, if the desired offset is offered, (which in the case of this conversation it is) then why NOT get them in the desired offset to avoid the need for a spacer?

If the desired offset is NOT offered, then yes, obviously a spacer is needed. But dont make things more difficult than they need to be.

Thanks, I was wondering why I couldn't just buy 40mm offset and have it fit but I figured the back and front fender clearance was off. I had been advised the same as you said by @grantmm; and his fit fine so I think 40 mm it is. I'd like to go 38 but I think that would require a pull and wouldn't be stx legal..

Tweaek 03-18-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 2k4_8 (Post 1954171)
Thanks, I was wondering why I couldn't just buy 40mm offset and have it fit but I figured the back and front fender clearance was off. I had been advised the same as you said by @grantmm; and his fit fine so I think 40 mm it is. I'd like to go 38 but I think that would require a pull and wouldn't be stx legal..

You can definitely buy a 40mm offset rim as that's perfect for the front, however for the rear you need a +45 to avoid rubbing on a square set up with 255's.

If you plan on running a square set up with 17x9 all the way around you can rotate tires front to back and left to right.
Some don't care about that, Grant being one of them as he runs 17x9 +35 RPF1's up front with 265's (last years set up, now 255's), and 17x8.5 with 245's on the rear. Grant had to do some fender liner modifications to make his 265's work with his +35. I don't know if the same modifications would have been necessary with the 255's on the +35.

Me personally, I like to be able to rotate. A pair of 5mm spacers cost me $15, and 17x9 +45 RPF1's are plentiful.

Anything less than a +45 on the rear and you'll need a pull if you run square, unless you increase negative camber on the rear which you can do with your camber arms but you don't really want to do that for autocross on this car but it is an option.

5mm spacers work fine, doesn't limit the amount of turns on the lug enough to matter and works.

Tweaek 03-18-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1954142)
Thats my point, if the desired offset is offered, (which in the case of this conversation it is) then why NOT get them in the desired offset to avoid the need for a spacer?

If the desired offset is NOT offered, then yes, obviously a spacer is needed. But dont make things more difficult than they need to be.

Because the desired/ideal offset in the front vs the rear is different by 5 mm.

tigermack 03-18-2013 12:03 PM

Obviously don't know what offset the wheels come in, so he made such uneducated comment.

justint5387 03-18-2013 11:55 PM

In his ideal world, wheels are made in all offset or everyone can afford to buy custom wheels.

Downmented 03-19-2013 04:36 AM

lol, You guys get so sour about dumb shit. Your stupidity makes me want to remove any association i have with this thread.

superskaterxes 03-19-2013 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by justint5387 (Post 1955652)
In his ideal world, wheels are made in all offset or everyone can afford to buy custom wheels.

if hes spending 2k on wheels and tires i would be willing to bet they come in plenty of offsets.

2k4_8 03-19-2013 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by superskaterxes (Post 1955724)
if hes spending 2k on wheels and tires i would be willing to bet they come in plenty of offsets.

That they do. Final setup to be ordered is 17x9 +45 Enkei Rpf1 wrapped with 245/40/17 ZII and ill get the 5mm spacer off of EAS. Roll the rear flat and test fit the front for clearance hen they arrive.

Once I was advised of 45 offset I found tons of info from the google site search to get pics and more info so thank you everyone. Only thing left to decide is silver or gold, not paying another 200 for black. But that decision is mine, so thanks again.

Tweaek 03-19-2013 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1955711)
lol, You guys get so sour about dumb shit. Your stupidity makes me want to remove any association i have with this thread.

You're fucking retarded dude. You're pissed off that the ideal setup for Auto-X with this car without making modifications happens to have a 5mm offset. Nobody said +45's are the only wheel available in the world so you HAVE to get them. It's just the best setup based on cost and no modifications for Auto-X, it is what it is so no need to get butt hurt. Give me a damn break and grow the fuck up. Seems like your stupidity is only dragging this thread down and taking any good information out of the conversation (although this should be in the Auto-X thread).

Please do remove any association you have with this thread, everyone on it would be better served without it.

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Originally Posted by 2k4_8 (Post 1955736)
That they do. Final setup to be ordered is 17x9 +45 Enkei Rpf1 wrapped with 245/40/17 ZII and ill get the 5mm spacer off of EAS. Roll the rear flat and test fit the front for clearance hen they arrive.

Once I was advised of 45 offset I found tons of info from the google site search to get pics and more info so thank you everyone. Only thing left to decide is silver or gold, not paying another 200 for black. But that decision is mine, so thanks again.

Sweet man. Although why not go 255 as it has a 10" tread width instead of 9.2" for the exact same amount of money? Either way enjoy!

Downmented 03-19-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tweaek (Post 1956059)
although this should be in the Auto-X thread).

Exactly, so piss off, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. Noone gives two fucks what you have to say.

Drozdy 03-19-2013 11:20 AM

OFFICIAL AGGRESSIVE OFFSET THREAD
 
Uhhh so much Pics but i need info!

So, genpu
Want to run 18x8.5 +30-35 or MAYBE 18x9 +30-35 either mb battles or rota grids/xxr 522's with 225/40 tires (similar to stock dunlops with rim guard)

Currently lowered on pro-kit maybe bc's this summer.. I dont mind looking at a bit of fender work!
How would this look and what should i expect?

I want a flush look not mexi-holy-hella-toomuch-look :)

Appreciate the input

Thanks bros.


Sent from my iPhone by tapping that ass

Manny 03-19-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1953994)
This is retarded, if you are buying wheels, buy the correct offset. Spacers are a band aid for stupidity. Dont buy the wrong offset then attempt to correct your mistake with spacers.

On Behalf of @brandonf; and @Rokusek; we are offended that you would say that using spacers are a bandaid for stupidity. All of us running the same 17x9 setup and roughly the same EFFECTIVE offset. All of us used spacers to make the wheels fit, does that mean we used spacers as a bandaid for our stupidity?

dastpe 03-19-2013 11:47 AM

here is the reason i use spacers with my car. one, to be more flush. two, because rear of the genone is actually tucked under a bit more from factory and this evens out the look. three, because my wheels are a CL special and cost 600 and another 20 in spacers to make them perfect fit.

Pseudonym 03-19-2013 12:00 PM

whys everyone feel the need to explain why they do what they do on their own cars?

Caligula 03-19-2013 12:10 PM

Re: OFFICIAL AGGRESSIVE OFFSET THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 1956472)
whys everyone feel the need to explain why they do what they do on their own cars?

Because they know "stance" is intrinsically ghey?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Downmented 03-19-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Manny (Post 1956407)
On Behalf of @brandonf; and @Rokusek; we are offended that you would say that using spacers are a bandaid for stupidity. All of us running the same 17x9 setup and roughly the same EFFECTIVE offset. All of us used spacers to make the wheels fit, does that mean we used spacers as a bandaid for our stupidity?

Everyone here is missing my entire fucking point lol

IF YOU ARE BUYING A SET OF WHEELS THAT HAVE NUMEROUS AVAILABLE OFFSET OPTIONS THEN CHOOSE THE CORRECT OFFSET NEEDED AT THAT TIME.

Pauls case was a bit different because at that time he did not know what was going to be needed to run the wheels he got. He got those wheels for a good price so he couldnt pass them up. I see both sides of this argument, but the side allot of you are failing to realize is what ive just stated above. It isnt that complicated to do things correct when you have the chance. From there on out all the rest of you guys got super offended. Clean the sand out of your vaginas.


Paul, Manny, Flo, you 3 are the exception to any comments i have made in this thread because i love all 3 of you. So disregard anything that has been said here :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonym (Post 1956472)
whys everyone feel the need to explain why they do what they do on their own cars?

Because you are on a performance oriented car forum and thats what we do here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dastpe (Post 1956440)
here is the reason i use spacers with my car. one, to be more flush. two, because rear of the genone is actually tucked under a bit more from factory and this evens out the look. three, because my wheels are a CL special and cost 600 and another 20 in spacers to make them perfect fit.

This is completely understandable. My initial comment on this subject was directed at the moron who told the kid to get the wrong offset wheels then use spacers when the kid clearly had an option.

Tweaek 03-19-2013 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1956499)
This is completely understandable. My initial comment on this subject was directed at the moron who told the kid to get the wrong offset wheels then use spacers when the kid clearly had an option.

You're still a fucking Douchebag and were/are wrong. He got what he should get for his needs. Isn't that the point you fucking Jackass...

The RPF1 in 17x9 comes in +22, +35, or +45 smart guy. Which one should he have gotten since you know what the fuck your talking about.

The +45 is the one he needs to run a square setup and not have to do fender work, and that would hold true with any rim at 17x9 twat.

I just passed you the moron trophy, you seem to be handling the title well.

2k4_8 03-19-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweaek (Post 1956059)
Sweet man. Although why not go 255 as it has a 10" tread width instead of 9.2" for the exact same amount of money? Either way enjoy!

Because the zII will run wide making a 245 a 255 equiv. and I don't want to run into figment issues. I also went a little smaller because I don't want bulge because it makes tires generally feel a little soft on turn in and I don't like that with the extremely tight events I run at. Either way ill have gobs more traction than the stockers, which I was spinning in third gear on my cheap ass road with a stage one tune.

Rokusek 03-19-2013 01:18 PM

i bought my wheels off MSF with tires for a great price... I spaced them for the look and fitment... does that make me retarded?

brandonf 03-19-2013 01:18 PM

@Downmented; is correct, if the offset exists for +40 and +45, obviously don't pick the +45 and do a 5mm spacer.. that's fuckin retarded.. but i don't think they have +40 rpf1's <3

I personally didn't find any wheels with that offset at 17x9, so i went with the +48 offset/5mm spacers/same setup everyone else had.. *shrug*

Rokusek 03-19-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downmented (Post 1956499)
Everyone here is missing my entire fucking point lol

IF YOU ARE BUYING A SET OF WHEELS THAT HAVE NUMEROUS AVAILABLE OFFSET OPTIONS THEN CHOOSE THE CORRECT OFFSET NEEDED AT THAT TIME.

Pauls case was a bit different because at that time he did not know what was going to be needed to run the wheels he got. He got those wheels for a good price so he couldnt pass them up. I see both sides of this argument, but the side allot of you are failing to realize is what ive just stated above. It isnt that complicated to do things correct when you have the chance. From there on out all the rest of you guys got super offended. Clean the sand out of your vaginas.


Paul, Manny, Flo, you 3 are the exception to any comments i have made in this thread because i love all 3 of you. So disregard anything that has been said here :)



Because you are on a performance oriented car forum and thats what we do here?



This is completely understandable. My initial comment on this subject was directed at the moron who told the kid to get the wrong offset wheels then use spacers when the kid clearly had an option.

i knew exactly what offset i needed before i bought my wheels...

Caligula 03-19-2013 01:23 PM

lol

Tweaek 03-19-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonf (Post 1956633)
@Downmented; is correct, if the offset exists for +40 and +45, obviously don't pick the +45 and do a 5mm spacer.. that's fuckin retarded.. but i don't think they have +40 rpf1's <3

I personally didn't find any wheels with that offset at 17x9, so i went with the +48 offset/5mm spacers/same setup everyone else had.. *shrug*

He's right if a different question was being asked. +40 doesn't work for the rear of the car without issues when AutoX'ing. The question was in relation to AutoX on a 17x9 Rim with 245/40 tires. With that config and you want to run square you have to go +45 unless you want to do mods to the fender or run negative camber. Both of which are negatives when running STX with this car.

And no they don't have +40's for the RPF1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2k4_8 (Post 1956618)
Because the zII will run wide making a 245 a 255 equiv. and I don't want to run into figment issues. I also went a little smaller because I don't want bulge because it makes tires generally feel a little soft on turn in and I don't like that with the extremely tight events I run at. Either way ill have gobs more traction than the stockers, which I was spinning in third gear on my cheap ass road with a stage one tune.

Cool. you'll love it man. The difference is amazing.


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