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rigor 07-17-2011 12:17 PM

rigors bt car needs street meats!
 
well i have major traction issues, would like to know different widths what will fit w/o modification of front fenders

and what widths require fender modification/weather it minor, or major please post up your thoughts on the issue thanks!

i would like to run a 255 40 18 tire ,rim to fit this best, or am i to wide?

or a smaller rim is a option 17

it's a speed3 stock height / suspension only mod is rear airbags witch helped with squat

and im willing to run narrower in the rear

wheel gods please step up!

im currently running a falcon azenis rt615

225 45 18 they suck even @ 24 psi or any were in between

roll on boost in 4th up in smoke!

thanks in advance

rodrigo 07-17-2011 01:12 PM

no street tire will hold traction..so stop thinking.

u have 2 choices...

roll with a drag radial (but they are dangerous as fuck in the rain)

or spin away.....

(slicks not a choice on the street obv)

255-50-16 or some shit was the nittos drag radials i ran.......there really aint shit that will make the problem go away...its not a problem of tire but more of weight transfer....shits not gonna be wut u want it to be ever ..... but drag radials will get u a lil bite.


but trust me....them nittos even in the rain will aqua plane and will trigger the tc at 60 mph in 6th cruising...no fucken joke so be careful

jroc 07-17-2011 01:14 PM

Azenis were cool last decade.

rodrigo 07-17-2011 01:16 PM

nigor was in a cave for a decade

rigor 07-17-2011 01:18 PM

ya i actualy lost traction when i went to those, my all seasons were way better so wider is no good?

rodrigo 07-17-2011 01:19 PM

contact patch usually grows more from increase in tire diameter than tire width...

most nubs do not know this

rigor 07-17-2011 01:22 PM

so a shorter rim, bigger tire is what i was thinking! to have some squat on the tire better contact patch

rodrigo 07-17-2011 01:25 PM

this is drag racing not road racing....


the more sidewall u have...the more the softer tire will deflect and abosrb the initial torsion .....extreme example are wrinkle wall slicks.

so for drag racing ....yes the taller the tire the better..... but handling will suffer of course. and yeah 16 inch rim is the smallest u can go b4 u make contact with brakes.

rigor 07-17-2011 01:33 PM

i just want to keep the smoke from rolling in my front windows in 4th is that to much to ask!
tires stink

rigor 07-17-2011 01:38 PM

well i know im not going to get the perfect tire for the street,

but these tires i have are rilly bad i went 3 steps back with my current tire.

im thinking a tire with lots of sipeing is better with a lighter sidewall

Manny 07-17-2011 01:42 PM

17x9 +45 is a very common fitment with s2k/subie/evo they will fit on stock suspension. I saw a couple gen1's at OCC running some rpf1's in that size (cheap wheels btw) I bought my rpf1's for 900 shipped with lugs. As far as tires you can fit a 255/40/17 with no problems 245/40 is the ideal size though since it will give you some extra clearance with that stock suspension. Tires are cheaper for 17's as well.

rigor 07-17-2011 01:46 PM

well if any one knows of a tire that seemed to have better traction than stock please post up thanks

i guessed last time and they suck! only lasted me 9000 miles and 0 traction

my alseasons lasted 2 years and hooked way better, bridgedstone pole positions handled ok, but way better straight line traction than stock, and quiet smooth ride

jroc 07-17-2011 01:49 PM

Depends what tire you want. If you want traction, star spec/NT05/rs3 would help. If you want traction+tire life, its probably gonna cost you twice of said tires

rigor 07-17-2011 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny (Post 939967)
17x9 +45 is a very common fitment with s2k/subie/evo they will fit on stock suspension. I saw a couple gen1's at OCC running some rpf1's in that size (cheap wheels btw) I bought my rpf1's for 900 shipped with lugs. As far as tires you can fit a 255/40/17 with no problems 245/40 is the ideal size though since it will give you some extra clearance with that stock suspension. Tires are cheaper for 17's as well.

you have a dealer for said rim?

jroc 07-17-2011 01:52 PM

Couldalso check out the trmotorsport c3 for about half the price of an rpf1. Only thing is they are +48

Manny 07-17-2011 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigor (Post 939975)
you have a dealer for said rim?

sending you a PM, keep in mind that its the middle of race season so prices may vary but its worth a shot. I bought mine in the winter. Just give them a call, their website is useless.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jroc (Post 939978)
Couldalso check out the trmotorsport c3 for about half the price of an rpf1. Only thing is they are +48

totally forgot about these wheels, they're good shit. half the price? Are you serious? If so, I wasn't aware they were that cheap.

rigor 07-17-2011 08:11 PM

tr c3 in a 17''x 9 48 offset

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/..._c3_lg_100.jpg

how will it fit?

802MS3 07-17-2011 08:45 PM

itll fit great, especially if you have the air bags to keep the rear of the car from squatting hard.

If you drive in the rain a lot, the NT05 is actually pretty damn good in the wet, and pretty damn sticky when warm and dry.

rigor 07-17-2011 10:06 PM

they have a tun of cheep tires in that size, i could burn them off!

and who would give a fuck!

and my buy a set of 16s for some slicks later

rigor 07-17-2011 10:14 PM

so when i finally ware these pos out,
ill go with these rims or similar, and either a 255/40/17 which seems a little short 25''dia or the 255/45/17 and a little tall @26.1 leaning towards the taller ones, cause these things are so short geared...

4G63 07-17-2011 10:35 PM

I'd go with Nitto NT05s mainly cause they are cheap and some of the best "grip tires" I've had and other friends have had. $632 shipped from DiscountTireDirect

rigor 07-18-2011 07:09 AM

ill keep it in mind thanks

Spirry 07-18-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigor (Post 940564)
so when i finally ware these pos out,
ill go with these rims or similar, and either a 255/40/17 which seems a little short 25''dia or the 255/45/17 and a little tall @26.1 leaning towards the taller ones, cause these things are so short geared...

Not sure where these guys are coming up with 255's with no rolling/pulling. I run 255/40/17's and rolling/pulling is absolutely required. 245's are the largest you can go with out modification.

802MS3 07-18-2011 11:45 AM

fronts will have no issue. the rears will require a roll. but I'm on eibach springs.

Spirry 07-18-2011 11:52 AM

255/40/17

Unmolested fenders...

http://i53.tinypic.com/xpoae0.jpg

rigor 07-18-2011 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spilly (Post 941210)
255/17/40

Unmolested fenders...

http://i53.tinypic.com/xpoae0.jpg


what offset are you running and how wide of rim

triplejumper18 07-18-2011 07:46 PM

Street meats you say?
http://www.deadthingswefind.com/wp-c...squirrel10.png

Spirry 07-18-2011 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigor (Post 942035)
what offset are you running and how wide of rim

I believe they are +42 and 9"

Realgib3 07-18-2011 08:06 PM

Go down to 255/40/17. The 40's are actually pretty tall, much taller than I expected. I came from 225/45/18 and these were a HUGE improvement in ALL aspects of grip and handling. Some words of warning...

with a 9" wide rim +42 and 255 tires, I was hitting the shock body until I put on 5mm spacers, so 1. there's no way to fit that wide a wheel with stock shocks and 2. you will need ~ +38 to keep far enough away from an aftermarket shock body.

Here's some pics of mine. No great stance ones, but you'll get the idea.


http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post930862

rigor 07-18-2011 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realgib3 (Post 942115)
Go down to 255/40/17. The 40's are actually pretty tall, much taller than I expected. I came from 225/45/18 and these were a HUGE improvement in ALL aspects of grip and handling. Some words of warning...

with a 9" wide rim +42 and 255 tires, I was hitting the shock body until I put on 5mm spacers, so 1. there's no way to fit that wide a wheel with stock shocks and 2. you will need ~ +38 to keep far enough away from an aftermarket shock body.

Here's some pics of mine. No great stance ones, but you'll get the idea.


http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post930862

38 back spacing? and by aftermarket shocks you mean coil overs or just aftermarket struts?

Realgib3 07-18-2011 08:21 PM

Coilovers is what I'm running, not sure on anything else and I mean the offset should be ~et 38 when it's all said and done. Mine offset is et42 plus the 5mm spacer which gave me a little room which is how I got the et38 number

Spirry 07-18-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realgib3 (Post 942115)
Go down to 255/40/17. The 40's are actually pretty tall, much taller than I expected. I came from 225/45/18 and these were a HUGE improvement in ALL aspects of grip and handling. Some words of warning...

with a 9" wide rim +42 and 255 tires, I was hitting the shock body until I put on 5mm spacers, so 1. there's no way to fit that wide a wheel with stock shocks and 2. you will need ~ +38 to keep far enough away from an aftermarket shock body.

Here's some pics of mine. No great stance ones, but you'll get the idea.


http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...tml#post930862

Opps i mispoke about the width. They are 9". But that is the offset... Wheels came from bnoon. Not sure how you were hitting the shock bodies.

If the op is not woried about turning, he needs to look at some dot drag radials for fwd cars.

Realgib3 07-18-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spilly (Post 942135)
Opps i mispoke about the width. They are 9". But that is the offset... Wheels came from bnoon. Not sure how you were hitting the shock towers.

If the op is not woried about turning, he needs to look at some dot drag radials for fwd cars.

Only the inside of the tires was hitting, not the wheel itself, so maybe the Hankooks are just a little extra wide for a 255?

802MS3 07-18-2011 08:27 PM

i got a 5mm spacer up front with my bilsteins. 17x9 +45 RPF1.

Spirry 07-18-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realgib3 (Post 942141)
Only the inside of the tires was hitting, not the wheel itself, so maybe the Hankooks are just a little extra wide for a 255?

I would jump on tirerack and check but im using my phone. Mine are kuhmo ecsta xs if you want to compare.

Realgib3 07-18-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spilly (Post 942146)
I would jump on tirerack and check but im using my phone. Mine are kuhmo ecsta xs if you want to compare.

Hmmm, both sit at 10.2" on a 9" wheel. Idk maybe I just have a little extra camber or something. Haven't gotten aligned yet so I'm not sure.

Spirry 07-18-2011 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Realgib3 (Post 942164)
Hmmm, both sit at 10.2" on a 9" wheel. Idk maybe I just have a little extra camber or something. Haven't gotten aligned yet so I'm not sure.

Didnt read your entire post earlier. You are running aftermarket struts. I'm assuming they are a different diameter.

Manny 07-18-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 (Post 942142)
i got a 5mm spacer up front with my bilsteins. 17x9 +45 RPF1.

I'm running the same wheels, 3mm is all you need to clear the strut, I opted for 5mm as well

rigor 07-18-2011 10:55 PM

you fuckers are confusing the shit out of me lol

im on stock suspension, do i have to go to coil over to go 9'' wide? and what offset ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by opt_ms3 (Post 942142)
i got a 5mm spacer up front with my bilsteins. 17x9 +45 RPF1.

can you post a couple pics of your setup please

Quote:

Originally Posted by manny (Post 942239)
I'm running the same wheels, 3mm is all you need to clear the strut, I opted for 5mm as well

so would a 48mm et right or to much in the back? or is that the wrong way ? 42?

rigor 07-18-2011 11:00 PM

i think i figured it out the smaller the # the farther from the strut but this number changes with rim width correct

figgin confusing

Spirry 07-19-2011 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigor (Post 942380)
i think i figured it out the smaller the # the farther from the strut but this number changes with rim width correct

figgin confusing

LOL sorry for the confusion. Let me try and clear this up.

For stock suspension a 9" wheel and +42 offset will fit without issue.

Coil-overs or aftermarket struts will require more clearance, which means less positive offset.

rigor 07-19-2011 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spilly (Post 942564)
LOL sorry for the confusion. Let me try and clear this up.

For stock suspension a 9" wheel and +42 offset will fit without issue.

Coil-overs or aftermarket struts will require more clearance, which means less positive offset.

so aftermarket struts are a larger diameter ? than the stockers?

so i should account for this as i would like to upgrade to eventually, i was under the impression coil overs were narrower.
but now that i think about it the spring comes down lower on the shock body than a strut so that would make it a bigger dia, ohh boy

rigor 07-19-2011 07:41 PM

here is 4th gear peddlin it basically spinning unless i let off lol

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/...9-06-49-36.jpg

Spirry 07-20-2011 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigor (Post 942601)
so aftermarket struts are a larger diameter ? than the stockers?

so i should account for this as i would like to upgrade to eventually, i was under the impression coil overs were narrower.
but now that i think about it the spring comes down lower on the shock body than a strut so that would make it a bigger dia, ohh boy

+38 with 9" would be ideal.

LOL @ all the yellow lights in that vid

rigor 07-20-2011 06:55 AM

after the smokey the tire light goes out lol, engine light is vcts delete /egr delete

802MS3 07-20-2011 07:34 AM

here you go rigor

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...7x9-cwp-78139/

rigor 07-20-2011 09:35 PM

that looks good! ^^^^

bnoon 07-25-2011 03:50 PM

After having the Bridgestone Potenza RE01-R's, I'd have to go with the new RE-11's that replaced them. Great traction, though first and second do still spin it's MUCH less than before. Even stock turbo I was able to roll-on spin through 3rd gear at 20 psi and air/water, now 3rd pulls like a mofo with no spin, and even the top end of 2nd gear actually starts to gain traction a little bit. 245/45/17 is what I have now and will run 255/40/17 next time.

rigor 01-28-2012 05:22 PM

well i kinda dropped the ball and needed tires asap, so i ended up with 17x7 40 offset and running 235 45 17 and i had them siped and they hook up awesome so im real happy and 0 fitment issues
wish they were wider, but i don't think it would make much diff in the traction department!

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/...1-23141114.jpg


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