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Default Substantial tire wear issue from aggressive camber!

I have a 2008.5 Mazdaspeed 3 GT. The car is really great… until I found out first hand about the rear camber issue. I rotated my tires at 17,000 (through owning 7 cars beforehand I’ve rotated tires at half-time every time and that’s worked out perfect) and got massive tire noise / roar from the front thereafter. Turns out the inner edge is cupped on both fronts (after rotation). I brought the car back to Gaithersburg Mazda in Maryland and they said it’s because I didn’t rotate the tires often enough (supposed to do every 3,000 miles they say). I searched various posts and find all the stories about the camber. I go back to the dealer and they say they can check alignment (I might have hit a pothole) – did I hit a pothole on each rear tire the same way? – clearly not. The service manager then comes full circle and admits that this is because of rear camber (forget the nonsense about alignment and rotation) – he says it’s meant for racing and set up aggressive for that reason. I get nowhere with him and he turns me to Mazda USA in California. I talked to them and they’d already been ‘informed’. After a week of ‘deliberation’ supposedly, they call me back and tell me there’s nothing Mazda will do – there is no defect on the car. I ask if they’d spring for the aftermarket rear arms (SPC Camber Arm: MS3, Mazda 3)
where I can adjust the camber and they say no and that they wouldn’t warranty any suspension items if I install them.
There is a class-action suit in progress against Mazda on this issue: see Mazda Tire Wear Investigation - Consumer Class Action Attorneys - Girard Gibbs LLP - California | New York.
I still love the car but clearly Mazda is NOT the manufacturer that stands behind its products!
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Seriously? You rotated the tires a 17,000 miles and are bitching about uneven wear?

Guess you've never read the owners manual for the maintenance schedule....

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Stupid thread is stupid.
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you don't follow maintenance instructions and then complain about wear? you're a smart one aren't you?
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I dont know why you guys are busting his balls. We all know that it didnt matter how often he rotated the tires, they would wear on the inside.
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18,000 on mine, 3000 mile rotations, bald evenly. The performance tire is not designed for high miles, The class action has Mazda 3's and 5's makes no mention of Mazdaspeed. keeping an eye on the tires culd have caught it and fixed it.
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Look at the threads about tire wear. Its mostly due to toe issues, so rotations do absolutely nothing.
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I saw a new cooper s today. Holy cow, I thought our stock rear camber was too much.
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Toe issues can be resolved with an alignment if the issue is caught early enough...usually when performing an rotation, inspection when filling up with air, etc.
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Can the camber be any worse than this?

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Take care of your fucking car and rotate the damn tires!
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Camber does not cause wear. Toe causes wear, and the wear happens to be on the inside of the tire becuase of the camber.

If the camber had been 0, you would have gotten wear everwhere at basically the same rate.
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Originally Posted by LuczOr View Post
Camber does not cause wear. Toe causes wear, and the wear happens to be on the inside of the tire becuase of the camber.

If the camber had been 0, you would have gotten wear everwhere at basically the same rate.
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Originally Posted by Blackspeed View Post
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just one example: HOW TO READ TIRE WEAR
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the only thing that does not cause wear (uneven) to a tire is caster. Every ASE book out there tells you this.
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Originally Posted by LuczOr View Post
Camber does not cause wear. Toe causes wear, and the wear happens to be on the inside of the tire becuase of the camber.

If the camber had been 0, you would have gotten wear everwhere at basically the same rate.
That's completely false. Camber alone can cause uneven wear. Camber wear is only one one side like toe wear, but it will wear more into the center of the tread instead of right at the edge like toe does.

I had -3 degrees of rear camber on my MS3 after putting on coilovers, and I was too busy (lazy) to get an alignment done for a couple months. My rears suffered badly for it.


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I'm not gonna defend the guy because he spoke in absolutes when he probably shouldn't have, but I think I understand what he was getting at...

Basically, you have to have REALLY EXTREME camber on this car and drive it only in a straight line for camber to have too much of an effect on tire wear (alone, that is).

Toe has a much more pronounced effect on tire wear than camber, and when you combine the two the wear on the inside of the tire increases somewhat exponentially.
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What I ment by my comment was that camber by itself does not increase the rate of wear. It just makes the normal wear happen on only one area.

I suppose this could also increase the rate because there is less tire rubber touching the road and therefore, less material to dissipate the strain of normal driving.

By the way, I love absolutes... LOL.
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Camber does not cause wear. Toe causes wear, and the wear happens to be on the inside of the tire becuase of the camber.

If the camber had been 0, you would have gotten wear everwhere at basically the same rate.
Camber doesn't cause wear...your just plain wrong.....caster doesn't cause wear....camber and toe both cause wear...camber too neg or pos will cause smooth wear on inner for neg and outer for pos......toe in or out will be a feathered wear pattern......you gotta know the camber is too negative and wears tires. You need to by camber plates for the front and adjustable arms for the back and bring it more positive if you want better wear.....rotating is not gonna help. And you need to buy parts like this for all kinds of cars to make them adjustable....they gotta make money some how.
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