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Well that might be good info to put in the first post since this is the "everything you need to know about wheels" thread. Thanks for the help!
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i'd check tires-easy.com too. i just got a set for Hankook v12s for $150/tire. by far the best rate i found. they shipped to a local installer who put them on for me.
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Originally Posted by Onelovesoccer View Post
i'd check tires-easy.com too. i just got a set for Hankook v12s for $150/tire. by far the best rate i found. they shipped to a local installer who put them on for me.
I've always found discount tire direct to be cheapest with free shipping! And they price match also.
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Originally Posted by travis9935 View Post
I've always found discount tire direct to be cheapest with free shipping! And they price match also.
good to know. i checked them out but the Hankook's were $186 each and i didn't know they matched prices.

sounds like the best idea is to find the tire you want, look it up on each website, find the cheapest price and then order from there or have another company price match.
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Originally Posted by hnda etr View Post
Yeah you should be fine... Speedo will be about 2% slower than stock


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Shouldn't be a problem as in I wouldn't even need a roll? I don't want to mount them then find out I will and screw up new tires. Also don't wanna chew up winter tires waiting to do a roll lol.
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Originally Posted by exentix View Post
Shouldn't be a problem as in I wouldn't even need a roll? I don't want to mount them then find out I will and screw up new tires. Also don't wanna chew up winter tires waiting to do a roll lol.
No rubbing.

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+45 pushes you closer to the fender by 7mm. 7.5" rim adds around 6.3mm per side. On the fender side you would be around 13.3mm closer to the fender than stock. On the strut side you would still be almost 1mm further out (towards fender) than stock.

225 tires adds 5mm per side (compared to stock 215) - so on fender side you'll be about 19.6mm closer than stock - a hair over 3/4 of an inch. On the strut side, you would be about 5.7mm closer to strut than stock... Less than 1/4 of an inch.

You will have no problems on the inside side and on the fender side, I'm 90% sure you'll be ok. With my 18x8 +48 I was out a total of around 21.7 mm and I did need to roll the rear slightly. I was also dropped around 1 inch. If you aren't dropped as much as I was, you'll be even better off.

The links in the OP to the calculators will give you a visual idea of what the new size will do
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Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for. New to upgrading wheel size so I'm not totally comfortable with how it works lol. I actually have NO drop so yea haha. I guess I'll throw em on and load it up just to be sure but I at least have access to a roller if need be.
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Originally Posted by dastpe View Post
pics??
Here you go..

These are my SSR Type F 18x8 +38 with 235/40/18s

With half a tank, I still get some very minor rubbing at highway speeds hitting dips... I'll probably be raising the car 1/4" soon though, so hopefully that will take care of it... If not, I'll go to 225/40s once the current tires are thrashed...
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Nice choice, that looks perfect, maybe I will get some spacers for my rx8's.
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Nice choice, that looks perfect, maybe I will get some spacers for my rx8's.
when i had rx8s i ran a 3mm up front and a 5mm in the rear and i thought it looked perfect. here are two pics for your reference.
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when i had rx8s i ran a 3mm up front and a 5mm in the rear and i thought it looked perfect. here are two pics for your reference.
were you running 235 width? and with those size spacers is it necessary to get hubcentric adapters? seems like the hub might extend more than 5mm, but i really dont know.

and is that an elise?
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Originally Posted by ScarMS3 View Post
were you running 235 width? and with those size spacers is it necessary to get hubcentric adapters? seems like the hub might extend more than 5mm, but i really dont know.

and is that an elise?
Yes, running 235/40 with the most minor roll because I would rub with a full car of people. Does not need to be hubcentric, mine were $4 a piece. No, its an exige.
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Alright guys I need a little bit of help. I'm going to need new tires soon, and since most of my bills are paid off, I think I'm going to get rims and tires. I'd like to go with some alleggerita's, but at $400+ a rim, I'm going to go the cheap route and get some rota's. I'm on stock suspension for now although I wouldn't mind having a drop in the future (car is dd, so will probably never go coilovers, so probably just cobb springs). I'd like to go 18x8, and as far as I can tell I will need about a 45+mm offset? I'd like to be able to put at least 235/40's on them, but it would be cool to be able to stuff 245/40's on em. Any idea's on what it would take? According to Nitto's site, the difference in overall width for the 245 vs. 235 is just over a quarter of an inch, so it seems like if a 235 will fit, then a 245 should. Does anyone have this similar set up? Any input is appreciated, thanks!
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I was just looking this up today to get some for my rx8 rims, seems that it will very rarely rub on stock suspension, but 235 never will. +45 would put you in the same ball park as me so I think you could do it,but down the road if you drive a bunch of fat people around you mint need to roll the rear a bit.
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I'm hoping to get 245/40/18's on my RX8's. I have Eibach springs and MS camber links; any idea how badly I'd have to roll the fenders? I'm hoping not at all

My winter tires (215/55/17 on MZ3 wheels) rub like a bitch on the bumper tabs; I don't want to recreate that.
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Alright guys I need a little bit of help. I'm going to need new tires soon, and since most of my bills are paid off, I think I'm going to get rims and tires. I'd like to go with some alleggerita's, but at $400+ a rim, I'm going to go the cheap route and get some rota's. I'm on stock suspension for now although I wouldn't mind having a drop in the future (car is dd, so will probably never go coilovers, so probably just cobb springs). I'd like to go 18x8, and as far as I can tell I will need about a 45+mm offset? I'd like to be able to put at least 235/40's on them, but it would be cool to be able to stuff 245/40's on em. Any idea's on what it would take? According to Nitto's site, the difference in overall width for the 245 vs. 235 is just over a quarter of an inch, so it seems like if a 235 will fit, then a 245 should. Does anyone have this similar set up? Any input is appreciated, thanks!
you and I seem to be in the same boat. I'm not lowered yet and want to get 18x8 and my only offset options are 35 or 42mm, or 45 and I am currently on 225 but want to go to 235 later. I do not want to roll or pull that much, but will if necessary

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you and I seem to be in the same boat. I'm not lowered yet and want to get 18x8 and my only offset options are 35 or 42mm, or 45 and I am currently on 225 but want to go to 235 later. I do not want to roll or pull that much, but will if necessary

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Seems like 35 would be too agressive.
Yeah it seems like I could run a 245 if I don't go with a super aggressive offset. I will roll my fenders if I have to but I don't want to have to pull. I'm thinking somewhere in the 45-48mm offset is going to be key, but unfortunately we don't have too much of a difinitive answer it seems...
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I'm hoping to get 245/40/18's on my RX8's. I have Eibach springs and MS camber links; any idea how badly I'd have to roll the fenders? I'm hoping not at all

My winter tires (215/55/17 on MZ3 wheels) rub like a bitch on the bumper tabs; I don't want to recreate that.
With 245's on rx8's you need to roll the rears (Gen 1). Not a flat roll but one none the less. I'm not lowered and after rolling, rubbed only once when hit a huge bump doing 80. Considering ur lowered a lil if u have the car full of ppl, u may occasionally rub on some bumps.

Someone else needs to comment and confirm on the fact that ur lowered.

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you and I seem to be in the same boat. I'm not lowered yet and want to get 18x8 and my only offset options are 35 or 42mm, or 45 and I am currently on 225 but want to go to 235 later. I do not want to roll or pull that much, but will if necessary

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Seems like 35 would be too agressive.
I would recommend 45 or higher offset for 235's comfortably on an 8. Comfortably meaning ul'l be fine with just a roll

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Yeah it seems like I could run a 245 if I don't go with a super aggressive offset. I will roll my fenders if I have to but I don't want to have to pull. I'm thinking somewhere in the 45-48mm offset is going to be key, but unfortunately we don't have too much of a difinitive answer it seems...
Your right, you basically want to stay above a 45 offset to run tires with some width. The higher from 45 you are, the less aggressive of a roll/pull you need. That being said, just rolling it flat or a slight pull isnt that bad if needed. As long as you stay high up in offset and dont overdo it in the wheel width, you will be fine with a good roll..
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I would recommend 45 or higher offset for 235's comfortably on an 8. Comfortably meaning ul'l be fine with just a roll.
Thanks! If I stay with 225 could I manage +42 offset?

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Originally Posted by charlesfist View Post
With 245's on rx8's you need to roll the rears (Gen 1). Not a flat roll but one none the less. I'm not lowered and after rolling, rubbed only once when hit a huge bump doing 80. Considering ur lowered a lil if u have the car full of ppl, u may occasionally rub on some bumps.

Someone else needs to comment and confirm on the fact that ur lowered.



I would recommend 45 or higher offset for 235's comfortably on an 8. Comfortably meaning ul'l be fine with just a roll



Your right, you basically want to stay above a 45 offset to run tires with some width. The higher from 45 you are, the less aggressive of a roll/pull you need. That being said, just rolling it flat or a slight pull isnt that bad if needed. As long as you stay high up in offset and dont overdo it in the wheel width, you will be fine with a good roll..
I don't have a desire to run anything larger than an 18x8. Also I would like to run a higher offset as I like the tucked look more than herra frush. Do you think +45 would be good, or should I try to go with a +48 - +50? (The two rims that I want at this point have a +48, and +50 respectively) I know its not a huge difference, but Id also probably rather roll the fenders than fuck with spacers. I figure I'll have to roll the fenders if I ever want a drop anyhow (which I wouldn't mind a prokit or cobb drop).
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I just found out my friend who works at discount can get any sub 200 dollar wheels at a decent discount, and drag wheels for about 50 off.
That being said, any suggestions for some 18x8 wheels for my cwp? I was thinking the dr34 but I also like thick spoke like the rx8s

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Thanks! If I stay with 225 could I manage +42 offset?

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You should be able to run 42 with that tire. I have no experience with drags other than i know they are somewhat heavy and some guys were displeased with the look of the wheels in real life (bad finish/ looked cheap).

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I don't have a desire to run anything larger than an 18x8. Also I would like to run a higher offset as I like the tucked look more than herra frush. Do you think +45 would be good, or should I try to go with a +48 - +50? (The two rims that I want at this point have a +48, and +50 respectively) I know its not a huge difference, but Id also probably rather roll the fenders than fuck with spacers. I figure I'll have to roll the fenders if I ever want a drop anyhow (which I wouldn't mind a prokit or cobb drop).
A 50 would put you inside the fender. a 48 would be closer to flush. If your on stock suspension, u dont need spacers on the fronts for either of those. Considering what you said, i dont think you want a 45. Look up pics of ppl here running rx8's (quite a few). those are +50 so that will give u a good idea of how it looks.
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Konig Milligrams 18x8.5 et45 with 245/40R18's. I need a 5mm spacer up front to clear my KW's, and it will need a minor pull in the rear (already rolled).

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So did you really "need" a full 5 mm up front or do you think something like a 3 mm spacer would work?

I'm wondering if one could get away with those same sized wheels running a 235/40 without the use of a spacer in the front, or if I should just stick to an 8" wide wheel to avoid having to fuck with it...
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So did you really "need" a full 5 mm up front or do you think something like a 3 mm spacer would work?

I'm wondering if one could get away with those same sized wheels running a 235/40 without the use of a spacer in the front, or if I should just stick to an 8" wide wheel to avoid having to fuck with it...
I couldn't even fit my pinkie between the strut and the tire. I wanted as much clearance as possible without having to put in longer studs, which is why I went with the 5mm spacer. I'm not really sure what the 'minimum' amount of clearance is needed between the wheel and strut/coilover.


Both a 245/40 and 235/40 tire can go on an 8"-9.5" wide rim. I wouldn't use the minimum wheel width for a tire, as it will 'muffintop' and the sidewalls will flex more when cornering.
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How much are you lowered on your setup?
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I couldn't even fit my pinkie between the strut and the tire. I wanted as much clearance as possible without having to put in longer studs, which is why I went with the 5mm spacer. I'm not really sure what the 'minimum' amount of clearance is needed between the wheel and strut/coilover.


Both a 245/40 and 235/40 tire can go on an 8"-9.5" wide rim. I wouldn't use the minimum wheel width for a tire, as it will 'muffintop' and the sidewalls will flex more when cornering.
There's really no consensus, from everything I've ever read/heard. Some of it depends on the rigiditiy of your wheels, some of it depends on how sticky a tire you run, and some of it depends on your tire sidewall aspect ratio...

Did yours actually make contact without them (the spacers) or were they just "too close for your comfort?"

I'd say that I'd like to have 5mm clearance to be safe. That should allow a few mm of deflection without any "kissing" going on between the tire and the suspension under heavy cornering loads...
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They cleared without a spacer, but I don't know by how much. I'll have to put them back on and see if I can get a measurement.

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How much are you lowered on your setup?
Rears are as high as I can get them (the KW's lower the rear TOO much IMHO). I really don't know how much lower than stock I am; it's been so long since I had the stock suspension on that I can't remember what it looked like.

I can get a measurement from the axle center to the fender and post it up.
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So on genpu are 235-40-18s NT05s going to be fine on stock rims? Haven't really seen anyone on this setup
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My 17x9 +45 RPF1 with 255/40-17's are about 3mm from my front shock housing and it hasn't rubbed as far as I can tell.
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My 17x9 +45 RPF1 with 255/40-17's are about 3mm from my front shock housing and it hasn't rubbed as far as I can tell.
OEM front struts, I presume?
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Yeah you have quite a bit more room than those of us running coilovers... It's not really the strut body that we're worried about. It's the bottom spring perch, but at any rate, it's good to know that you're getting less than 3 mm of deflection under load.
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I don't know that I've ever seen 2 sets of wheels the same. 18x9 + 35's sit more flush than Dan's 18x8.5 +45. I just don't get it. Makes me worry about my 18x8.5 +48 a bit.
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I put the fronts back on. Without a spacer, I have 6-7mm clearance between the coilovers and the tire sidewall.

There's plenty of space between the lower spring perch and the tire.


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If you are worried about the spring perch, have you tried using a smaller spring and just raising the perch to maintain the travel.

Maybe that's not even possible I have never seem the clearance on coilovers.
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Originally Posted by Celestspeed3 View Post
If you are worried about the spring perch, have you tried using a smaller spring and just raising the perch to maintain the travel.

Maybe that's not even possible I have never seem the clearance on coilovers.
On our setups you could remove the helper springs and get a lot more room by raising the perches, but then you'd have to worry about the spring coming unseated every time you let the front suspension come to full droop...
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I would keep the help spring but get maybe a 2" shorter race spring.

I want to run the same set as coils as yours so I'll hopefully find someone local with them and see what I can do.
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I'm pretty sure the MS/KW kits use a somewhat "non-standard" spring size, so finding alternative springs to may be difficult. To use a shorter free-length spring you're going to have to mess with the rate, which then potentially takes you into re-valve territory or if trying to keep the same overall rate, the possibility of running out of travel prematurely due to coil interference...

Also, remember that 2" less of free-length doesn't translate into 2" more clearance at the perch when the car is on the ground.
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There is a huge gen pu aftermarket wheel thread but can't find one for the gen 1...any help?

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