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The stock MAP sensor cannot see and report boost above 22.5 psi. If boost exceeds that, it just keeps reading 22.5. Its a hardware problem.
Ummm.... they are trying to get it to work with a 3 bar. Did you somehow only read that one post? When you think you are somehow smarter than everyone else, realize you are probably wrong
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Ummm.... they are trying to get it to work with a 3 bar. Did you somehow only read that one post? When you think you are somehow smarter than everyone else, realize you are probably wrong
No. I've been following the whole thread. You might want to read all if it. "They" are not just 3 bar setups. "They" include stock sensors in this thread. There is far more in this thread regarding use of Torque than the last several posts. When you see blue colored username guys talking 22.3 max on Torque it is because the software assumed use of the stock sensor and designed the PID accordingly.

If you had read the entire thread you would know that most people using Torque and wanting a guide have stock sensors. Perhaps read more and keep your opinions about the smartness of others to yourself. Many people who feel compelled to criticize the smartness of others may be deficient themselves.

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No, the ones complaining are all on upgraded MAP sensors. Of course the stock sensor only reads to 22.3 psi, so this issue doesn't even apply to them.

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No, the ones complaining are all on upgraded MAP sensors. Of course the stock sensor only reads to 22.3 psi, so this issue doesn't even apply to them.

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Thank you. I've been following the thread from the start. I'm running a more robust datalogging software called ScanPro XL with Mazda PIDs. It might be interesting to see if it has the same 22.3 psi limit if the MAP sensor is changed. I don't know.
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It's very strange. The boost appears to display correctly; it's not scaled. It just stops at 22.3. Ant help would be greatly appreciated.

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Thank you. I've been following the thread from the start. I'm running a more robust datalogging software called ScanPro XL with Mazda PIDs. It might be interesting to see if it has the same 22.3 psi limit if the MAP sensor is changed. I don't know.
No need for butthurt - give these guys a little credit though. Trust me we'd all be stoked if you strolled in here and solved everyone's problems with a simple answer like "stock map sensor, guys!"
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It's very strange. The boost appears to display correctly; it's not scaled. It just stops at 22.3. Ant help would be greatly appreciated.

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The car is build metric and converted to PSI. That value is also converted from absolute pressure (boost+atmospheric pressure) Reason why yours may be topped few tenth below or above someone else.

with a 8 bit binary number the largest possible entry is 255. (2exp8-1 start at 0) Curiously 255 = about 37.xxpsi of absolute pressure...37.xx-14.xx=22.xx

So this is like measuring something with 99 centimeter ruler and having a display of 2 digit only. after 99 it will stop reading but remain accurate below. Even if you convert it to 0-38.xx inchs, it wont go above to 99inchs because you max out with CM first....

I don't know how COBB figured it out back in time when they run into the issue before adding the feature of the sensor equation? For sure, they intercepted the data before the PSI conversion because it remain accurate with both device.

Maybe it is just a matter of reading the next 8bits and both combined to a 16bits number, make enough range (Like with my exemple above: adding a second pair of digits) ...Since CAN is a worldwide standard maybe they kept some room for higher numbers...The one Torque is catching now may be just the Less significant byte but i really don't know, it is just some thoughs...
This is why we need the help of someone with access to decoding device. It would be very easy for him to check the next data value and if it remain to 0 until the sensor voltage rise above 255kpa and switch to 1 decimal or the first bit change, it would just have to find a way to combine both entry maybe by a math calcul.

Or if we can dig into a PID value of the map voltage before conversion to Kpa showing voltage, we would just need to compute the same euqation as we used for the Cobb.


I doubt other software can read more than 22.x because of the same reasons. Unless they give access to MAP voltage. I tested Forscan and no luck...
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No need for butthurt - give these guys a little credit though. Trust me we'd all be stoked if you strolled in here and solved everyone's problems with a simple answer like "stock map sensor, guys!"
Not butthurt and it is not everyone's problem, only the ones on the last couple pages of a very long 14 page or so thread. But, given your particular issue, not common to most of us, I have offered a possible solution -- a different kind of monitoring and logging software besides Torque.

I'm not strolling anywhere. If something other than Torque, such as Scan XL Pro with Mazda PID's, might solve your particular problem, perhaps you might investigate this offer of possible help, or you can struggle along on your own with no answer and continue to attack people offering help, even if they might initially not understand that you have a 3 bar MAP sensor. Have a great day.
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@MSMS3 If you have scan xl would yhou like to try it ?

I bet you still have a 2.5bars sensor but it doesn't matter. You could just load a test map with the AP simulating a pressure equation to read above 25 psi when sensor see 0 psi (Large ofset)
Then without starting the car, just read boost with scan xl and the key on, it should show that value... (starting the car would run a bit curious...) you then would need to load back your actual map after the test.
I could re-check how that equation work and give test numbers that would work as described?
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Thanks. I'd love to, but I'm not running AP. I can contact Palmer Performance Engineering, the company that developed the software and ask them, though, and see what they say as to whether it can log the higher voltage and report it as psi. I know that it can also log in volts, but do not know where the limit is.
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I am having a problem with using Torque on my CX7 turbo auto.

When I first plug the OBD bluetooth in and connect to my Android device everything works fine.

However after I turn off the vehicle and turn it back on it seems like my OBD bluetooth is crashing the cars comms.

I did this twice today and got the following fault codes.

U0072 Vehicle Communication Bus E (-) shorted to Bus E (+)
U0101 Lost Communication with TCM (Transmission Control Module)
U0121 Lost Communication With Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module
U0100 Lost Communication With ECM/PCM "A" (grey code)

the first time and

U0072 Vehicle Communication Bus E (-) shorted to Bus E (+)
U0101 Lost Communication with TCM (Transmission Control Module)
U0155 Lost Communication With Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) Control Module (grey code)

the second time.

Other symptoms include all my instrument warning lights coming on, the car not knowing what gear it is in if I drive it, clunky shifts from neutral to in gear.

This is happening everytime which means the only way I can use the Torque app is to unplug my OBD Bluetooth after every drive and plug it in again after I restart the car.

I have used two different OBD Bluetooth devices, I am currently using an OBDLink LX.

Has anyone else had similar issues? Is it normal to have unplug the OBD every time you drive?
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I always unplug it anyway. Why would you leave it plugged in?

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I always unplug it anyway. Why would you leave it plugged in?

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The original plan was to use the Torque App to display extra "gauges" for daily driving.

So I wanted to make it as simple as possible to start the car up and have the Android tablet and Torque App come on.

Since then I got a Cooling Mist WMI with a boost gauge so that is one more thing covered.
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Well it sounds like you can't do that. Not sure why not though.

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Which Bluetooth device are you using? I just ordered an OBDLink LX, it is suppose to support auto shutoff and be able to stay plugged in. I guess we will see.

If torque can fulfill my basic daily monitoring I will go ahead and swap to VersaTune. Speaking of which Finkle had mentioned in the VersaTune thread that for boost readings with a 3bar you just custom set a PID.

I'm having early morning brain farts, someone tag him as he may be able to shed some light.
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Which Bluetooth device are you using? I just ordered an OBDLink LX, it is suppose to support auto shutoff and be able to stay plugged in. I guess we will see.

I now have an OBDLink LX. I had a Kiwi one but thought it might be the problem so I sold it and bought the LX.

Being a CX7 I use VersaTune for tuning and I was hoping Torque would be a useful monitoring tool.
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I'll update this thread after this weekend, my Bluetooth adapter comes in today. I wonder if it's the auto transmission that's causing the issue?

I got this adapter because a lot of people were recommending it but this is the first time I have heard of anyone having issues.
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That's the one I have too. Works well, no issues.

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got ecm to other ecm communication issues with wife 2010 cx7 when a cheap dongle was pluged. It was about the stability control and it happened again without the dongle plugued so i ended up thinking it wasn't that... I had to unplug batterie to get rid of it and reset the stering clock spring reading as per the owner manual ...

I bought a LX also, work well but not 4x faster than elm327. I forget it plugued in the cx7 but without the cell phone linked and after 1 month, no complaint from the wife about any CEL...

And i never had any communication cell either with 2006 GS or the 2007 speed using cheap dongle....But CX7 GT has probably 2x more ecm modules than the speed so 2x more troubles
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I use the OBDLink MX, because black, because I leave it plugged in all the time. That was one of the points of getting the OBDLink is that it has idle power-down and therefore won't drain the battery to nothing. Usually it works leaving it plugged in; sometimes I have BT connection problems but it's never caused any CELs or codes or problems with the car that I know of.

I do same as you, Torque for the regular/daily monitoring, but I use a cell phone clamp that goes to the CD slot and just dock it and start Torque almost every time I drive.
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I can't seem to get the rail pressure to give me a real time information gauge. I however can see it under Raw data information gauge. Any Ideas to get it by itself?
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IIRC the raw data pressure is actually the rail pressure and the rail pressure doesn't work.
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... the rail pressure doesn't work.
Are you saying that the pressure is not accurate in the raw information gauge?

If so bummer.
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Are you saying that the pressure is not accurate in the raw information gauge?

If so bummer.
I'm going off memory so I could be wrong, now that I think about it I think it's the opposite. The rail pressure data displayed is the raw info and the raw info is inaccurate like you said.

Make sure you have the mazdaspeed torque add-ons installed too because I think you need them for fuel pressure to work.
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Originally Posted by thrisnospork View Post
I'm going off memory so I could be wrong, now that I think about it I think it's the opposite. The rail pressure data displayed is the raw info and the raw info is inaccurate like you said.

Make sure you have the mazdaspeed torque add-ons installed too because I think you need them for fuel pressure to work.
Found a plugging for torque call Racing meter that shows me the rail fuel pressure.
Now I just need to investigate how accurate it actually is. I did download and installed the Mazda PIDs.

Thanks for the help guys. Great info.
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you also need to activate the mazda pids in the torque app, read this thread from the beginning, you will learn how.
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you also need to activate the mazda pids in the torque app, read this thread from the beginning, you will learn how.
Ok. I figured out what the issue was. Under my Vehicle Profile I had checked:

"Use Separate Dashboard layout"

once Unchecked I could select what type of display and info to show.
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Any update on how to configure a custom PID to read boost pressure above 22psi?
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Any update on how to configure a custom PID to read boost pressure above 22psi?
Have you tried changing the boost calculation method?

From the main screen go into "Settings", then "OBD2 Adapter Settings", and then select "Boost Calculation Method".

You'll have three options: "MAP", "MAF", and "ALT"

MAP is the default, MAF is recommended if you're not seeing full boost pressure.

Make sure "Faster Communication" is checked.

Also make sure your vehicle profile info is accurate. Engine displacement and fuel type are particularly important...
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Hi guys,
I've bought Torque app and also addon for Mazda to log data from my Mazda 6 MPS using OBDlink MX. (I need KR mainly)
Torque itself and it's PIDs is working fine, but when I add addon's PIDs and as soon as I want to choose them for dashboard, errors from MX adapter will start to rise (adapter's icon will get yellow and red afterwards). Also I am getting info: Data corruption detected - disabling full rate (fast) mode and no specific PID is green = getting signal/data.

I tried setting the app as it is in the first post here, but it did not help and I did not find any post about this problem here or elsewhere.

I already wrote email to author of addon, but he did not reply.
Anyone has an idea what could be the problem?

Update:
ok, so after two updates of Torque, PIDs are green now and without errors from adapter. But KR is 0 all the time... So I guess no knock is there.

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What PID/s rate for logging are you getting out of the OBDLink MX? I have a made in China special from a decade ago and I get 5/s meaning I get a log entry like every 4 seconds with all the PIDs I'm looking at.
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my mx isn't reading a lot faster, i never used it to log but just as a live display but according to the menu telling speed with my 3 chineese dongle i get between 10 to 18 pids#sec and my MX is just above at 25...But the mx connect right away everytime without any issue. The others, give headache especially after connecting the AP...Sometimes i have to delete and reconnect them few times and open close torque to finally get online...
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I am getting up to 32 PID/s with my MX depending on the phone...still, I did not try it with notebook. It is pretty slow for some logging, but for few PIDs it is enough.
But even with MX I got few times MIL (problem with communication of ABS or some other system) and last time it just wont connect to the car for some time.
I'm thinking about some cable obd adapter....
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Im getting a voltage of 13.3 volts on Torq APP with car running but when I measure with voltmeter, I get 14.2. Could the discrepancy be due to the BAFX Products Bluetooth Diagnostic OBDII Reader/Scanner?
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Im getting a voltage of 13.3 volts on Torq APP with car running but when I measure with voltmeter, I get 14.2. Could the discrepancy be due to the BAFX Products Bluetooth Diagnostic OBDII Reader/Scanner?
NO. ECU reads voltage then you read the data from it like a text message. If you see 13.2, your ecu read 13.2. But ecu voltage isn't exactly the same as battery voltage, there could be some lost and it also depend on which condition you check it also. Not to mention meter error marging etc...
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NO. ECU reads voltage then you read the data from it like a text message. If you see 13.2, your ecu read 13.2. But ecu voltage isn't exactly the same as battery voltage, there could be some lost and it also depend on which condition you check it also. Not to mention meter error marging etc...

I was idling with all lights off, no radio. The battery alternator tester at Advance Auto read 14.2 volts with perfect battery condition.

I dont see why the ECU would read something different.
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mine do the same. And if i recall correctly, you have some other voltage reading available with discrepancies between each other.

I don't know if it is connectors, grounds, fuses loss or a protective diode into the ecu that make it, but there is a difference there.
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mine do the same. And if i recall correctly, you have some other voltage reading available with discrepancies between each other.

I don't know if it is connectors, grounds, fuses loss or a protective diode into the ecu that make it, but there is a difference there.
Im using the free Torq app. Perhaps the full version offers more voltage options?
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i have voltage of: Control module or OBD adapter, my base layout was made with the control module and that voltage seem always lower...
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Originally Posted by Jeff23spl View Post
i have voltage of: Control module or OBD adapter, my base layout was made with the control module and that voltage seem always lower...
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What do you mean by "base layout"? Does the full version of TORQ give you various voltage-source reading options?
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