1/4 mile times on AP or MSF maps

[MidwestSpeed3]

the 13.4 run looks good. I wish the car wasn't so sensitive to the heat. The first run is the best temp wise, but most people need a run or two to get the feel.

Can't wait to see the dynos. Maybe we'll have some new maps for ya to try out by then?

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by 94jedi I did see that but I'm rather disappointed. the aFT MSF map was supposed to be balls out. I don't want knock but there has to be a middle ground. granted it's a "beta" of sorts. as you can see, I'm more than a little perturbed right now.

No, not balls out, just some added boost and opening throttle. The ball's out maps are being made right now, but after seeing this data, im not really sure how they will be. I think the whole making power using torque input is fuckin us over on power.

[aaronc7]

Not a real track time...but times from the AP, which have proved to be pretty consistent and accurate (at least for comparison sake).

Mods in sig, running Stage 2 + SF v101F map (not fmic)
Boost target is 17.6 and I hit right around that (only map that runs right, ha)

60': 2.729 (lol, cant spin the tires or it will cancel out of the run)

330': 6.541

0-60: 5.709

1/8: 9.527@85.147

1/4: 14.219@105.657

[itzl0l]

hey hal could you elaborate a little bit about what goes into a tune, as in, what does it take to get the car to do what you want? I assume there isnt just a table somewhere thats says, hey run this much boost. PM me if you'd like, thanx man

Originally Posted by Haltech No, not balls out, just some added boost and opening throttle. The ball's out maps are being made right now, but after seeing this data, im not really sure how they will be. I think the whole making power using torque input is fuckin us over on power.

[conkus]

Originally Posted by lenny127 perfect! anyone else live in so-cal on this forum?

Im sorta near you, I live in ventura. Grew up in Rancho Santa Magarita. I have the cobb sri and the cobb ft tune v101and love it. Havnt timed it yet but hopefully soon. Where in irvine you run at? PM me.

[4thStroke]

you can take a shit and gain 1mph int he traps

I did have a near full tank in the car last night, plus a wedding gift, clothes, cooler, etc, the car was pretty loaded down. My 13.4 was with a near empty tank on a much cooler night. It still doesnt justify the barely any quicker times between the AP maps and stock, just figured Id throw that out there.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by itzl0l hey hal could you elaborate a little bit about what goes into a tune, as in, what does it take to get the car to do what you want? I assume there isnt just a table somewhere thats says, hey run this much boost. PM me if you'd like, thanx man

There is a ton of stuff that needs to be played with, just to raise boost. There's a plan to go into detail about this with documentation coming up actually.

[zspeed]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 Not a real track time...but times from the AP, which have proved to be pretty consistent and accurate (at least for comparison sake). Mods in sig, running Stage 2 + SF v101F map (not fmic) Boost target is 17.6 and I hit right around that (only map that runs right, ha) 60': 2.729 (lol, cant spin the tires or it will cancel out of the run) 330': 6.541 0-60: 5.709 1/8: 9.527@85.147 1/4: 14.219@105.657

With all due respect, something is wrong with 1/4 mile result @105 mph.
I've done countless 14.1's with low reaction times and never gone past 102 mph. Where I see discrepancy is with 60' @ 2.729, little high for 105 mph result. No big deal continue having fun!

[aaronc7]

whats so inaccurate about it? I am just not spinning the tires or launching that car whatsoever. Reason one being the AP will cancel out of the test mode if I do, and number 2 for consistency reasons for comparison.

[FreeFlyFreak]

Multiply by 0.9878 for Non stock tire size 821 rpmile vs 811 rpmile stock, unless you have been recalibrated.

[aaronc7]

^ thats a good point, i am running 235/40 but its pretty damn close to stock.

its 14.0 lol

not sure about mph

[blaggah]

I thought this would be an issue too, but I think I read somewhere that the speedo on our car auto adjusts. (can't remember where right this second)

[SLS MS3]

It doesn't autoadjust. With the 225/40/18's on my car, the speedo is annoyingly off.

[94jedi]

Originally Posted by aaronc7 ^ thats a good point, i am running 235/40 but its pretty damn close to stock. its 14.0 lol not sure about mph

still that's not a bad mph...

[rodrigo]

I went to Fontana this weekend. 95 temp , track sucked as usual. best time 14.5 @98.54 mph with 2.370 60' times. I did switch maps after 2 passes (had to take my kid to Karate) put about 120 miles on the MSF map and dropped 2 mph vs the stock v.101 map. After about 4 passes on the MSF I tried the stock v.101 and got my 2mph back. I know , I know ...it hasnt had time to set in yet , your LTFT's and all that jazz. The car runs the same 100 miles into a new map or 500 mile into it. It took 2 hours with the hood up and the engine off to come up with 98mph on the following pass. (this top mount is crap when its hot.) My mistake for thinking it was gonna be different than last time. Guys to put a race pipe ( I am assuming it replaces the 2nd cat) do you need to have an aftermarket exaust?..... are there any out there that have the same I.D. of the stock system?

[dread]

you don't need an aftermarket exhaust for any of the racepipes available

[rodrigo]

is our stock system 2.5" I.D. or 2.75" I.D. and you say there are race pipes with tose dims? or you feel using a 3 inch (diameter) pipe is ok to mate to a 2.75"?

[dread]

all I know is people have race pipes installed with the stock exhaust. I think the stocker is 2.5

[rodrigo]

thanx. I need to get some oomph in this car cuz the maps aint doing squat for me.

[itzl0l]

this is frustrating

[Laloosh]

So no1 has yet trapped anything decent or dynoed anything decent....i guess we will wait for temps to drop

[Haltech]

Summer is the wrong time to be testing for power.

[MidwestSpeed3]

Originally Posted by Laloosh So no1 has yet trapped anything decent or dynoed anything decent....i guess we will wait for temps to drop

Someone on one of the other forums trapped 104.6 with Stage 1+. Seems pretty good to me. His et wasn't great, but he said it was his first time at the track.

[rodrigo]

I posted my results when I tested at 68 degrees. at the track there is no way to do an accurate test between maps, there isnt enough time to adjust and with so many different parameters , intake temp, coolant temp, outside temp, launch rpm etc etc. it is impossible to have a controlled test . for me testing on the street allows me to make everything the same at will, no staging , no lights no nothing, and the device I use is accurate (I ran it twice again against actual track time and it was accurate to within .1 seconds and .5 mph. Now lets see what those "alleged " v.102 maps do....... (by the way I did go against an EVO x with an AMS intercooler and intake and we both trapped 98 and change, he did however have .4 seconds on me, GREAT TRACK!!!!! for roasting marshmallows)

[Laloosh]

Originally Posted by MidwestSpeed3 Someone on one of the other forums trapped 104.6 with Stage 1+. Seems pretty good to me. His et wasn't great, but he said it was his first time at the track.

I trapped 104 with an intake...

[blaggah]

Originally Posted by Laloosh I trapped 104 with an intake...

What altitude? What humidity? What tire pressure? What was the ambient temperature outside? How was the wind? Were all these factors exactly the same as the person MidwestSpeed3 was talking about?

[Laloosh]

no, but im not the only one. Its a little ironic how none ap cars trapped 107-109 and dynoed 300 plus, but since the ap came out...they're not even close

[Godspeed]

Originally Posted by Laloosh I trapped 104 with an intake...

And I've seen speeds trap 98 with an intake...your point?

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh no, but im not the only one. Its a little ironic how none ap cars trapped 107-109 and dynoed 300 plus, but since the ap came out...they're not even close

This will change... don't know why you are so critical about something you dont own, let alone care about...

[Laloosh]

we went over this

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh we went over this

Everytime, yet you rehash it...

[Laloosh]

i belive i state only facts....all different. Then u come in and bitch that i dotn even own it

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh i belive i state only facts....all different. Then u come in and bitch that i dotn even own it

I dont own one.. you cant bitch at something that has a lot of resources going into it.. what you are going to do is piss off the people at Cobb so bad, they are going to come out with some pretty badass power maps.. than you will be stuck on that side of the street. Sometimes, you just need to decide when to goto war and when to act like Australia.

[Laloosh]

if they come out with power maps then ill fucken buy it...untill then, the things a waste, proven with every disappointing post

[dread]

I hope you piss off Cobb enough so they come out with badass power maps.

[JeepJockey]

Originally Posted by Laloosh if they come out with power maps then ill fucken buy it...untill then, the things a waste, proven with every disappointing post

I was disappointed that you replaced your 80 dollar boost controller again with a 600 standback and new meth kit and all kinds of goodies yet didn't gain a damn thing on the dyno. The difference is we know that you will get whatever it is worked out and the power will be shown, unfortunatley you can't give COBB the time of day to make improvements.

[rodrigo]

Not that I am particularly fond of laloosh's way of criticizing the AP, I will agree with him in the fact that not one person has shown an improvement and some of us have made an honest effort to show some of the thruths that perhaps the "masses" ignore for the sake of justifying their buy. I think there are so many differences between tracks, drivers and even power outputs from the factory that saying I trapped 104 stock vs the other guys 98 is not fair. Shit I trapped 100mph several times with just an intake and weigh 360lbs..... so can I say I trapped 102? I think its best to keep one owns improvements as a measuring stick rather than comparing against others.

[Laloosh]

didnt gain a damn thing? lol spiking 18 and makign 300 as apposed to holding 18 and making 300.

Did you miss the part where i walked phils car who dynoed higher, even though i made less tq and hp everywhere? Did you also miss the part where a 50 trim srt4 that dyno 348 couldnt pass me? REad the thread, it clearly states the car was not holding boost on the dyno

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by Laloosh didnt gain a damn thing? lol spiking 18 and makign 300 as apposed to holding 18 and making 300. Did you miss the part where i walked phils car who dynoed higher, even though i made less tq and hp everywhere? Did you also miss the part where a 50 trim srt4 that dyno 348 couldnt pass me? REad the thread, it clearly states the car was not holding boost on the dyno

2 car lengths isnt exactly walking someone. But whatever, get your boost leak fixed because so far, that wide open throttle flash hasnt proven its 20/50 gain. We were all hoping to see a dyno that would show this improvement. Sort of, like the AP maps...

[Laloosh]

it didnt proove it cause it didnt hold boost....like i said 'it spiked 18 and fell to 13'
Id like to see what you dyno at 13psi at peak.....
I later upped the boost and it did nothing, it just spike higher hence the higher wtq


As for the two car thing...i saw it different. 1 car is when hes at my rear bumper...when your able to see the car your racing in your center review....its not 2 cars