Big Brake Kit

[boardjnky4]

brakes on this car blow away the brakes that were on my 350z

[Daddy]

Apparently most of you guys are used to very crappy brakes.

[SnoXRacer183]

Originally Posted by boardjnky4 brakes on this car blow away the brakes that were on my 350z

Agree'd. I came from a 2008 350Z and the first time I got the track with my MS3 I was in shock of how much better the brakes were. I say this about stopping distance and pedal fade.

[FreeFlyFreak]

Originally Posted by Daddy Apparently most of you guys are used to very crappy brakes.

So enlighten us please....
What vehicles are you comparing the MS3 brakes to?

[MATT DAMOND]

Originally Posted by Daddy Apparently most of you guys are used to very crappy brakes.

Sorry, we are all used to 2nd gen Toyota Prius brakes.

I'm pretty sure there is something seriously wrong with your brakes.

[Dre]

There has to be something wrong with his brakes.. I nearly got brought up on domestic violence charges because of the bruise the seatbelt left in my fiancee's chest from doing an emergency stop from about 60mph.. needless to say, these brakes, like O'doyle, rule!

[Nliiitend1]

These numbers are a compilation of tests done by Road & Track (not all on the same day or same surface, but you can still get a general idea for comparison), and are distances to stop from 80 mph (80-0):

2001 Z06 212 ft
2006 BMW M5 207 ft
2007 Corvette 209 ft
2007 Z06 206 ft
2005 Viper 196 ft
2007 Shelby GT500 212 ft
2005 Honda S2000 206 ft
2007 Infiniti G35 208 ft
2007 MazdaSpeed3 203 ft
2005 Nissan 350Z 202 ft
2005 Pontiac Solstice 206 ft
2007 Porsche Cayman 194 ft

Yup, shitty brakes indeed...

[triplejumper18]

Not only do they stop HARD the pedal has a very linear feel to it.

[senor blanco ms3]

With the exception of being on track, I've never had to use all of my brakes. I've been able to make quick stops safely while still having a little brake left. These brakes are very very very good. My only complaint is that when they start to fade, they fade fast but that's only at the track after several laps.

[mdd5148]

Has anyone considered making their own BBK? Admittedly, if I did this it would primarily be for looks as I am rather satisfied with my brakes right now.

Good writeup using wilwood parts:
DIY: Making your own [budget] BBK - MY350Z.COM Forums

CTS-V brakes: (only cost $140)
CTS-V brake caliper swap (Brembo) - DSM Forums

Evo Brembos:
DIY - Install EVO brakes (Brembo) on G2 - DSM Forums

Another option I was thinking about but Only found one set for sale was s60R or v70R brembo calipers as there might be less modification needed with these?

[gogogomoveit]

Originally Posted by mdd5148 Has anyone considered making their own BBK? Admittedly, if I did this it would primarily be for looks as I am rather satisfied with my brakes right now. Good writeup using wilwood parts: DIY: Making your own [budget] BBK - MY350Z.COM Forums CTS-V brakes: (only cost $140) CTS-V brake caliper swap (Brembo) - DSM Forums Evo Brembos: DIY - Install EVO brakes (Brembo) on G2 - DSM Forums Another option I was thinking about but Only found one set for sale was s60R or v70R brembo calipers as there might be less modification needed with these?

DIY fabricated brake kits are not exactly safe to use on road, to say the least. Performance of these brakes are also questionable. If you want to do it right, spend some money. Its better than totalling your car and getting someone hurt.

I think we should just give Daddy a break. He almost crashed ( He didnt maybe because of the Crappy brakes on the MS3), and he is titled to his opinion and bad experience. But like I mentioned earlier, nothing defy physics.

[MATT DAMOND]

Originally Posted by mdd5148 Has anyone considered making their own BBK? Admittedly, if I did this it would primarily be for looks as I am rather satisfied with my brakes right now. Good writeup using wilwood parts: DIY: Making your own [budget] BBK - MY350Z.COM Forums CTS-V brakes: (only cost $140) CTS-V brake caliper swap (Brembo) - DSM Forums Evo Brembos: DIY - Install EVO brakes (Brembo) on G2 - DSM Forums Another option I was thinking about but Only found one set for sale was s60R or v70R brembo calipers as there might be less modification needed with these?

I was actually working on making a BBK to use the StopTech calipers and rotors, until word got out that they were gonna do it.

I'm still fairly interested in developing a BBK, and I've been thinking of using Wilwood Calipers. For the new caliper mount that would need to be made, I would definitely get it CNCed, since my BBK would be for a track/street application, and I'd want everything to be beyond perfect tolerances.

Awhile back I did some searching for some 4-pots off of the latest R Volvos. I was having a real tough time finding anything, so I kinda gave up on looking for them.

[gogogomoveit]

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND I was actually working on making a BBK to use the StopTech calipers and rotors, until word got out that they were gonna do it. I'm still fairly interested in developing a BBK, and I've been thinking of using Wilwood Calipers. For the new caliper mount that would need to be made, I would definitely get it CNCed, since my BBK would be for a track/street application, and I'd want everything to be beyond perfect tolerances. Awhile back I did some searching for some 4-pots off of the latest R Volvos. I was having a real tough time finding anything, so I kinda gave up on looking for them.

Stoptech BBK comes with solid 4 pots calipers and huge 328mm floating discs for our cars. IMHO spend 2K and save your trouble, at least they spent the R&D to optimize the design. thats not something anyone of us here can do.

[mdd5148]

Originally Posted by gogogomoveit DIY fabricated brake kits are not exactly safe to use on road, to say the least. Performance of these brakes are also questionable. If you want to do it right, spend some money. Its better than totalling your car and getting someone hurt. I think we should just give Daddy a break. He almost crashed ( He didnt maybe because of the Crappy brakes on the MS3), and he is titled to his opinion and bad experience. But like I mentioned earlier, nothing defy physics.

I think you are jumping to a lot of conclusions... I would not be making the brake calipers or rotors I would be using quality parts just sourcing them cheaper there is no reason that they would be unsafe one way and safe another.

That would leave the mounts... Yea make them out of tinfoil they are going to be unsafe but get them done properly there is no reason to spend a ton or that you can't peice this stuff together yourself.

Originally Posted by MATT DAMOND I was actually working on making a BBK to use the StopTech calipers and rotors, until word got out that they were gonna do it. I'm still fairly interested in developing a BBK, and I've been thinking of using Wilwood Calipers. For the new caliper mount that would need to be made, I would definitely get it CNCed, since my BBK would be for a track/street application, and I'd want everything to be beyond perfect tolerances. Awhile back I did some searching for some 4-pots off of the latest R Volvos. I was having a real tough time finding anything, so I kinda gave up on looking for them.

Yea wilwood offers a lot of options and depending on what caliper is chosen the pricing is fairly reasonable.

I am able to find a set or two of volvo R calipers on uk ebay every once and a while

[Aetherfury]

Originally Posted by mdd5148 I think you are jumping to a lot of conclusions... I would not be making the brake calipers or rotors I would be using quality parts just sourcing them cheaper there is no reason that they would be unsafe one way and safe another. That would leave the mounts... Yea make them out of tinfoil they are going to be unsafe but get them done properly there is no reason to spend a ton or that you can't peice this stuff together yourself.

I personally wouldn't do it because of the safety of choosing all the right components and trusting they all work properly together and with the car's built in systems.

Having said that, to each his own, just don't drive behind me if they don't work or in front of me if they work really well. =)

[Daddy]

Originally Posted by gogogomoveit DIY fabricated brake kits are not exactly safe to use on road, to say the least. Performance of these brakes are also questionable. If you want to do it right, spend some money. Its better than totalling your car and getting someone hurt. I think we should just give Daddy a break. He almost crashed ( He didnt maybe because of the Crappy brakes on the MS3), and he is titled to his opinion and bad experience. But like I mentioned earlier, nothing defy physics.

=P Thanks.

[nynhex]

Personally, I'd outlay the cash for a BBK instead of a full-build kit. Wilwood, Rotora, etc have spent tons of money in R&D to assure that their product performs and won't kill people. To me, it's worth it to spend the extra money to assure safety and performance.

Now that's not to say I've never pieced together my own kit, but in the end I had peace of mind with the aftermarket full BBKs.

Good luck in whatever you choose.

[gogogomoveit]

Originally Posted by mdd5148 I think you are jumping to a lot of conclusions... I would not be making the brake calipers or rotors I would be using quality parts just sourcing them cheaper there is no reason that they would be unsafe one way and safe another.

The capability of the braking "system" is not only dependant on the quality of each part, but also how different parts come together and work as a system. Of cos they maybe the best braking system ever fabricated, but I would rather jump to conclusion than risking safety testing it out on the street, or even on track with other fellow drivers. Just my opinion. L it is easy to find all the puzzle pieces, but how to put it together is a different beast.

[1bad2k]

Brembos are awesome. My cts-v has the fixed 4 pistn brembos all the way around and the car stops good, but it is pretty heavy. If you are serious about a BBK, take a look at stoptech brakes. They are one of the top dogs. Im not sure if they offer a kit for these cars yet though.

[Slow*Jim]

Originally Posted by SnoXRacer183 Agree'd. I came from a 2008 350Z and the first time I got the track with my MS3 I was in shock of how much better the brakes were. I say this about stopping distance and pedal fade.

x2. I used to track my 350z (04 touring model, no brembos) and the rotors would overheat like crazy. I had to use some pretty extreme pads just for HPDE, and they wouldn't last more than 1 or 2 weekends. That got expensive real quick.

Also after about 11 HPDE weekends all the caliper seals were pretty much melted, the guys at my shop were astounded I didn't have complete brake failure on track.

Originally Posted by gogogomoveit Stoptech BBK comes with solid 4 pots calipers and huge 328mm floating discs for our cars. IMHO spend 2K and save your trouble, at least they spent the R&D to optimize the design. thats not something anyone of us here can do.

Lol, 328mm is only 12.9 inches. I'd wait for a 14" BBK that will fit under stock wheels. Until then, brake ducts are a good idea.