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Default OEM toe issue.

You guys may want to check your tires on the inside corner. The stock alignment has so much toe, that even though my tread looked fine, the inner edge is extremely worn. The steel is even showing on one of the tires, and the others aren't far from that.

Sorry for the blurry pics, I just wanted to get them up. I should have new tires coming in today, and Wed., I'll be getting an alignment.
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How many miles? Are you sure this is from the factory like this? If it is, take it to the dealer and tell them to record the information for the factory. Even if they are like, this isn't covered under warranty blah blah blah, try to get them to record it as a problem so the factory can know it's an issue that has gotten into the field. If the factory doesn't know about it, it will never get fixed and my guess is they don't know about it because the dealers don't warranty this
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didnt know you lived on a farm
If you're referring to the grass, it's been snowing. My car and garage are quite messy.

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How many miles? Are you sure this is from the factory like this? If it is, take it to the dealer and tell them to record the information for the factory. Even if they are like, this isn't covered under warranty blah blah blah, try to get them to record it as a problem so the factory can know it's an issue that has gotten into the field. If the factory doesn't know about it, it will never get fixed and my guess is they don't know about it because the dealers don't warranty this
19k miles. The dealer won't warranty it, but when I go for my alignment, I'm going to bring the tires back to the dealer and show them. They know of it happening at least a little, the guy from DFW tried to get them to realign it under warranty, but they wouldn't. He took it to Pro Tuning Performance in DFW, the same guys that did the FW MS3, and said it was like a different car.
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My local friend with a 2010 ms3 had this same problem. I don't remember if he took it to the dealer or not but I know he called and they told him there was nothing wrong with the car.

I personally think that the dealer should buy you new tires or atleast prorate them and then get the car aligned right on their dime.
It is a factory defect if the factory alignment is causing the factory tires to wear like that.
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From the factory and stock performance cars they tend to give hte cars some toe in for increased stability, especially at higher speeds. If you go to zero toe from this it should make a big difference. I may have to check on this, I drive a lot of miles and increased tire life, mileage, and more steering/cornering response may be worth getting an alignment out of pocket.
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Some toe is one thing, but this is too much IMO. It's putting pressure all the way to the inside corner of the tire, not just favoring the inside treads.
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I had an 09 Mazda 3i Touring that did this exact thing. After 25k the stock tires were shot. However, I only rotated my tires twice and didn't get an alignment until I had my stock tires replaced. With my speed, I have been rotating the tires during every oil change and my tread wear looks much better than my old Mazda after 11000 miles.

I asked the dealer when they typically re-align the cars and he informed me that they usually do it around 12k to 14k miles. IMO its cheaper to rotate and get an alignment than ending up having to replace the tires after 25K. Also, the stock tires really aren't made to last very long.
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I rotate the tires every 5k miles, it's not that. I'm pretty sure that if the alignment was better, the tires would have lasted fine. The tread is still good.
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21K miles
2 alignments - each of them due to improper toe in

Tires still have decent tread left and no uneven wear
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interesting. My fronts are showing more wear on the outside corners. Did last tire rotation 13k ago and I'm at 26k right now. I'll go look at my rears (originally fronts) but iirc from yesterday morning they actually looked really good inside and oustide.
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I'll be going to Pro Tuning for mine too. I'm not letting the dealer align my car if they can't warranty an issue like this. This much uneven wear is retarded. I'll have brand new tires and a fresh alignment, and for $50 extra, they will do unlimited alignment for a year.
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This is why I always get a performance alignment on ALL my cars right after I buy them, regardless of whether or not the car is new. Factory "alignments" (if you can actually call the controlled assembly that they do an "alignment") are sketchy, at best, especially on a budget-oriented Mazda...
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got my appointment tomorrow for an alignment $179 and free lifetime alignments for the vehicle
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Did you take a look at your tires, Dre?
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yea, from what i can tell the wear on the inside is different than the wear on the outside.
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Not as bad as mine though?

Tuesday, I'll also be installing my COBB springs before the alignment. I'll post impressions since there's not much about them on gen 2.
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tru.. it doesnt look right.. they're gonna rotate my tires first.. def would like to hear about the springs.. the wife okay'd new wheels as long as i have a buyer lined up for my stockers.. contemplating between rota grids/rpf1's , 17/18.. gonna try n sneak some springs in there as well
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Thanks for the heads up.
I have to go get my winters re-balanced tomorrow (think I lost a weight somewhere), might go for the lifetime alignment at Firestone ($150 iirc).
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Glad that I could help, I'm also glad that I noticed mine when I did. With any luck, I won't be driving it before I go to the alignment shop, shit worries me.
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This happens to all the 2nd gens, at a meet a couple months back someone came with a second gen and showed us....all three of us with a 2nd gen went to our cars and sure enough same wear pattern. Mine wasnt that bad cause when i put my springs on I got it alined so only 5,000 on the stock alinment.
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nate, looked at your pics again.. and yea, my wear is just about that much..
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I have the same issue on my ms6 .. had one pair of front tires peel them selves off like an orange on the inside .. and again on another pair .. I havent been able to get the car to hold an alignment for more than 10k miles .. total garbage.
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Edited thread title and posts to say the toe out was the issue. Just further proves that I don't know shit about alignment.
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Nate, my MS3 has the same problem. Inside of the tires wear a lot worst than the rest. I ended up getting that Firestone lifetime alignment thing for $150 or something. About to bring it back again. The right rear wheel looks funny for some reason. Top of the wheel (12 o'clock) looks to be pushed in more than the back left wheel. Could be from doing too many burnouts with the E brake up.

<------ like in this picture.
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I spoke to soon on my original post.

I hit a massssssive pothole 2 weeks ago. It was so large that a couple hours later a cop was rerouting traffic and it was on the news. It became classified as a road collapse later that night. It was impossible to see until you're right on it since the section was between the end of a bridge and the road.

After getting my rims fixed, my alignment is fubared. My front left tire is almost to the metal wiring on the inside edge. So I'm off to Firestone to get a lifetime alignment.

I know it's unrelated but there is no way my tire can wear that much in 200 miles of driving. It had to be bad for longer than that.

This will make it 3 alignments in 21k miles.
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yea i had the same problem with y first set of tires, but when I used up my second sent there was a lot more even wear on the tires. They were worn more on the inside the second time, but not nearly as bad as the my first set like yours.
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I just took a peak under mine today. 6000 miles and I don't see any weird wear on the fronts, thankfully. Mine is a late build '10.
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I posted about this before, but I can't find it now. Don't know what happened to it. Here's a pic of my tires after 23,224 miles.



When I had new tires put on and an alignment done (I got the lifetime alignment), The toe on the front left tire was 0.22 degrees and the front right tire was -0.23 degrees. Now they're at .10 and .09. According to Firestone the range is -.09 to .28.

I thought it was a little strange that both front tires had so much wear on the inside edge, but both were completely opposite from each other.
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Looks just like the insides of a couple of mine did.
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I can't believe how high up the wear was. Mine are starting to do that too. Maybe I'll leave it alone so when they get like your I can convince my wife to let me get some star specs. Are you putting on shocks/struts when you do the springs?
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I already did the spring install before the alignment, and I left the stock shocks for now. I want to switch to either Konis or Bilsteins. I figured that the since the gen 2 shocks are supposedly a little more durable than gen 1, and the Cobb springs are designed to work with the stock shocks, I'd probably be OK.

If they do start to go out, I'll just have an excuse to give to my wife about buying my new shocks sooner. Much like you wanting your tires to wear out so that you can convince your wife that you need the tires that you want sooner. We married men have to learn how to use that poker face, LOL.
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i started seeing it at around 13k. its just because of the default camber and toe in of the car. i'm gonna flatten everything out when i do alignment. you should be fine if you flatten everything out.
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That is interesting. My car had way to much toe-in from the factory. I had to add some toe-out to get it where I wanted it. 1/16" to 1/8" total toe-out is where I like to start. Factory camber and caster also suck on this car. I bought some Whiteline offset caster bushings that finally arrived from AU last week. Will post reviews when I install them.
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same exact thing on my 2010 speed3. Went to get my tires rotated and they pointed it out :-(
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Has anyone with this issue taken their car for an alignment and found out how far off the numbers were for the toe? I'm just curious how far off they are.

I'm still a bit confused with the numbers that I got after my car was aligned (see my post above). It seems like only one tire would have bad wear on the inside edge and the other would have wear on the outside edge. Yet I had bad wear on the inside edge of both tires.

Is the factory spec wrong for the car? Or is it purely that it won't stay in alignment and frequent alignments should alleviate the problem?
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I'm getting my alignment tuesday so I'll see if I can get the numbers how it is now.
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The wear is caused by the two tires working against each other.
So if one was off of 0, and the other was 0, they would both still wear since they are both resisting each other. One wants to go one way, the other a different way.
Small amounts of toe in/out are sometimes desirable as they can help turn-in/cornering/traction/stability, and will increase tire wear a small amount.
You see extreme wear when something is really out of whack.
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