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 Old 07-19-2013, 09:48 PM   #1
 
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Default Suspension/combo or coilovers??

Good day guys,
I'm currently contemplating whether to buy coilovers or suspension/springs combo..

After doing a bit of research, I was going to buy bilstein b14 from Germany and was getting a good deal. Unfortunately, the seller is out of the stock.

So my question is what would you guys suggest based on your experiences? Should I buy suspension/spring combo or coilovers. I'm bit hesitant of buying suspension and springs separately as they haven't been tested together..

So here are some options which I'm considering at this stage
- bilstein b14
- koni fsd + spring combo??
- bilstein b8 + spring??
- weitec coilovers( made by kw)
- h&r coilovers

FYI, I'm looking for comfortable ride quality with minimal drop.. Also some of the coilovers are compatible with gen1 and wouldn't show for gen2 while searching.. Is it safe to say that both of them are interchangeable?

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Gen one rear struts have a different lower construction,the bushing is wider at the bottom. As for co or spings, it is a personal choice. I like a solid handling car and was willing to give up some comfort. This is the case if you coilovers, I think it is the way to go.

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Gen one rear struts have a different lower construction,the bushing is wider at the bottom. As for co or spings, it is a personal choice. I like a solid handling car and was willing to give up some comfort. This is the case if you coilovers, I think it is the way to go.

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Thanks mate for the reply. Here in Australia, roads are pretty bad. Even on stock, the car jumps all over the place.

As my mazda is a dd, I'm trying to find which coils or s/s will provide the most comfortable ride..

I'm surprised that not many members have replied..

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Lol bad roads,I live in NY and commute into NYC every day. We have some horrid roads,one of the reasons I run 17" wheels and 45 series tires.

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The most comfortable combo with a small drop are FSDs with cobb springs. Add an rsb to that and you will have a better handling car that soaks up bumps nicely.
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I was chatting with the members of german mazdaspeed forum in relation to b14 however they recommending me bc racing coil ;-). It funny how they were bashing bilstein and believed bc were better coilovers.

Now I'm more confused. Haha
In a case where I'm sticking with coilovers, which one would you guys suggest.. No crappy shit please..

Also got rsb on its way.. ;-)

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What are your goals for the car? Are you planning on tracking your car at all or is this strictly for street driving?

I was considering the same thing this past winter. However I chose the coilover setup because I was planning on tracking the car once or twice a year. I'm glad I did too because I'm tracking more often than anticipated. Springs or shocks sold individually are designed to work with their OEM counterpart. Coilovers can be designed for both springs and shocks to be appropriately stiffer.

With that said if all you want is a minimal drop without sacrificing ride quality I would suggest looking at a spring/shock combo.
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What are your goals for the car? Are you planning on tracking your car at all or is this strictly for street driving?

I was considering the same thing this past winter. However I chose the coilover setup because I was planning on tracking the car once or twice a year. I'm glad I did too because I'm tracking more often than anticipated. Springs or shocks sold individually are designed to work with their OEM counterpart. Coilovers can be designed for both springs and shocks to be appropriately stiffer.

With that said if all you want is a minimal drop without sacrificing ride quality I would suggest looking at a spring/shock combo.
Thanks mate for your reply. My car is strictly for street driving.. As stated Earlier, I'm after comfortable ride whilst Improving handling. I'm more than happy to spend cash on a quality setup..

How about bc racing coilovers? German mps forum had a group buy about 6 months and they are really pleased with the setup..

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Thanks mate for your reply. My car is strictly for street driving.. As stated Earlier, I'm after comfortable ride whilst Improving handling. I'm more than happy to spend cash on a quality setup..

How about bc racing coilovers? German mps forum had a group buy about 6 months and they are really pleased with the setup..

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If you are set on coils meaning you want height adjustability for the street I would go with either kw v1 or the h&r coils.
I'm not really set on coilovers but trying to find which is best combo for minimal drop and improved comfort.

The only reason i can't get kW or h&r is the import tax over $1000..

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Sonic has their group buy for their coilovers right now. I've got a set and love them. Firmness can be adjusted and the springs aren't soft.
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Sonic has their group buy for their coilovers right now. I've got a set and love them. Firmness can be adjusted and the springs aren't soft.
Nah thanks mate, I'm after quality set up..

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I fuckin laf. I'd read a review or 2 or you're just as well off listening to your German bc nuthuggers.
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I fuckin laf. I'd read a review or 2 or you're just as well off listening to your German bc nuthuggers.
LMAO... Obviously they had a group buy for bc coilovers and they saying good things about it. Who wouldn't?
Anyways, i don't care about struts or coilovers. All I'm after is quality set up under $1000

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Maybe try that search button?
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Maybe try that search button?
I have bud but unfortunately most of the recommended set ups are gen 1..

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If you're looking at $1000 then go with the Koni fsd and your stock springs or Cobb springs for a mild drop.
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Both shocks and springsscombinations and coilovers have their place, but in my experience its better to get a "matched" set of shocks/springs if you go that route. Companies like H&R and Vogtland have offerings.
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Nah thanks mate, I'm after quality set up..

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You must not know what quality is then, don't bash a product until you have tried it. Oh and don't believe everything on the internet.

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Have to agree with you mate. Majority of decent products do get bashed by people who never used them before..

How much drop am I looking at with koni fsd and eibach or weitec springs? Between 20-35mm? If that's the case I'll buy them..





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After my bad experience with the B14 on my Gen1 I'm using Koni Yellows with Eibach springs and Powergrid endlinks of 12.8 inches length (+0,8 inch) on my Gen2 . Works really good and offers some adjustability (rebound damping) Drop is about 20mm or results to 34.5cm from the center of the hubcap to the fender front and back.

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After my bad experience with the B14 on my Gen1 I'm using Koni Yellows with Eibach springs and Powergrid endlinks of 12.8 inches length (+0,8 inch) on my Gen2 . Works really good and offers some adjustability (rebound damping) Drop is about 20mm or results to 34.5cm from the center of the hubcap to the fender front and back.

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Why don't you elaborate on your bad experience?

Instead of a generalized claim.
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No problem
Bilstein has or had problems with their usd struts. The bushing supporting the piston rod wears out resulting in knocking noises. The noise gets worse with higher ambient temperatures. In my case the chrome plating of the piston rods also showed pitting. I finally received new struts on warranty but changed the gen1 for a gen2 short after, so I have no clue if Bilstein finally got the problems sorted out.

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Originally Posted by Kawiralph View Post
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Bilstein has or had problems with their usd struts. The bushing supporting the piston rod wears out resulting in knocking noises. The noise gets worse with higher ambient temperatures. In my case the chrome plating of the piston rods also showed pitting. I finally received new struts on warranty but changed the gen1 for a gen2 short after, so I have no clue if Bilstein finally got the problems sorted out.

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Thanks mate, over at the german mps forums they were talking about the similar problem..

On the other hand, bc coilovers got a decent rep on the forums as well..

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B8 + swift spec-r = happy
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Originally Posted by gurusev View Post
Thanks mate, over at the german mps forums they were talking about the similar problem..

On the other hand, bc coilovers got a decent rep on the forums as well..

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Yes, I posted the same information at the german forum. Maybe Mituc will chime in, he also is a member of both forums and had similar problems with his B14 set on his Gen1.



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My suggestions, in order of comfort:
- OEM springs + Koni FSD
- OEM springs + Koni Yellow
- OEM springs + Bilstein
- COBB or Eibach + Koni Yellow
- Swift or H&R + Koni Yellow
- COBB or Eibach + Bilstein
- Swift or H&R + Bilstein
- Weitech Hicon TX Plus
- H&R Coilover
- Weitech Hicon GTN

I'm assuming your winters are fairly mild so Weitech shouldn't be a long term issue for you. But make sure they are valved specifically for the heavier weight of the MS3/MPS. Here in the states they are branded as ST and are only offered for the Base 3. They are plated steel vs. KW's inox SS shock/strut tubes. Internal components are similar, IIRC. GL.
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OEM springs + Bilstein B8s should probably be somewhere along that spectrum (maybe somewhere between 2nd & 4th ) ^^ as well.

FWIW, I've seen claims that the Weitec internals are different from the KW setups (with regard to "component quality") but I certainly don't have any primary evidence to back such a claim up...
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Koni FSD here, love it.
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Just installed Koni yellows with H&R springs, ride is much better then with stock struts and H&R springs. Steering feels tighter and I'm not afraid of every little bump in the road anymore

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Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 View Post
OEM springs + Bilstein B8s should probably be somewhere along that spectrum (maybe somewhere between 2nd & 4th ) ^^ as well.

FWIW, I've seen claims that the Weitec internals are different from the KW setups (with regard to "component quality") but I certainly don't have any primary evidence to back such a claim up...
I find swifts to be more comfortable most of the time with b8s. Stock springs suck with them and give you a 2" gap in the front. I wish I hadn't made that mistake.
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I've driven FreeFlyFreak's Gen 1 on OEM springs with Bilsteins. Fantastic combo IMO. I edited my recommendation above and added them to third on the list.
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Fsd and cobb springs do work well. More comfort than cobb and yellows.
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I have a Gen 1 but my freshly rebuilt H&R Coils are NOT comfortable on bad streets (like LA freeways here). Its very bumpy but controlled. I dont mind it as a driver, but i do get complaints from passengers. Im running 225 tires though.

Im actually thinking about trading someone for a spring combo because i dont AutoX the car and the handling with these coils is insanely improved and being wasted on me......

EDIT: Let me clarify, the H&R Coils ride very smooth and comfortable on nice roads. Potholes and dips on freeways will make your drop or bump. Around here the streets are littered with dips and steep driveways. Some portions of the freeway are like rollercoasters going up and down very fast and steep (52 freeway by convoy st) most cars get all wild on these sections the coils are umpy but very controlled.
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