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Default LC Rev Limit value through AP

Enabled launch control and FFS through AccessTUNER. Now I'm trying to dial it in, but for some reason I can only make changes through AcccessTUNER. My buddy can do it right through his handheld AP device in the car. The option to change the rev limiter isn't an option on mine.

Seriously? It's only possible to change this directly through AccessTUNER?

What are your LC settings set to? How have they worked for you? Feedback please ;-)
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To my knowledge, these changes can only be made at a computer, through ATR. Unless your "buddy" is referring to changing maps on the fly.

Play around with the LC/FFS settings. Its not difficult.
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Pretty sure you cant do it through the AP directly with our cars, only through ATR. I have my LC set to 3600 and it works great, ease off the clutch and it just hooks.
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I'll be honest right now. I have never even touched ATR until about 5 minutes ago. I just had a tune done last night, but the tuner set it to 4500rpms; way to high. I don't know anything about ECU tuning, but I really want to change this. I'm just really scared if I start playing with the tuner's map I have on my car I'll jack something up. It took us 5 hours to get it where it is now because we kept having issues.

Can someone confirm what I think needs to happen? I got the map my tuner created last night off of the AP. Saved it to the PC. I opened ATR and loaded the map. I'm in the Limited Tables folder. I see FSS Rev Limiter, LC Rev Limiter, Rev Limiter, Speed Limiter, Speed Limiter Hysteresis, and Vehicle Speed Threshold for LC/FFS.

Current values:
FSS Rev Limiter: 6000 (Rev Limit RPM)
LC Rev Limiter: 4500
Rev Limiter: 6700
Speed Limiter: 250
Speed Limiter Hysteresis: 5.64
Vehicle Speed Threshold for LC/FFS: 5 (MPH)

Thanks guys. This is awesome. Hope this solves my 60' issue ;-)
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Yup, thats right. Go to the LC rev limiter table and click the box and press the E key and enter the desired RPM you want. Save the map, reload to AP, and re-flash it to the car.
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Awesome thanks.

I've been reading other posts, and it seems there may be some MPH value I need to alter somewhere? I've read the Help document on the Mazdaspeed3 Gen2 ATR, but that didn't really give me any info. Some of the posts I read didn't come to any real conclusions that made much sense as to what needs to be altered.

It sounds like after a certain speed the LC turns off? The one table I do see right now is set to 5mph...I sure hope that isn't the one since that makes LC sound pretty pointless.
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Awesome thanks.

I've been reading other posts, and it seems there may be some MPH value I need to alter somewhere? I've read the Help document on the Mazdaspeed3 Gen2 ATR, but that didn't really give me any info. Some of the posts I read didn't come to any real conclusions that made much sense as to what needs to be altered.

It sounds like after a certain speed the LC turns off? The one table I do see right now is set to 5mph...I sure hope that isn't the one since that makes LC sound pretty pointless.
IIRC, that table is the speed for when over that MPH LC is disabled.
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IIRC, that table is the speed for when over that MPH LC is disabled.
Ur buddy is adjusting the shift light.
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What are good target speeds before disabling LC? I've gotta figure something out. This thing is way to hard to launch. It either bogs or spins non stop. I'm at 5800ft elevation, but my 60' on my current setup was 2.5! Yet I still trapped 108.

I got my MK4 GTI 1.8T without a big turbo to pull of a 2.1 60' on a K03...
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1. FSS Limiter...this is the rpm limit that the ECU will allow you to successfully FFS. If you shift consistently at 6000rpms, that is fine. If you shift higher, raise it up a bit.
2. LC Limiter...this is the rpm that the ecu will hold when you are staged and have the pedal mashed down.
3. Rev Limiter...this is the rpm that the ecu will allow the engine to rev to...6700 should be fine. This limit, if higher, is independent of the FFS Limiter. So if you are not FFS you can rev your car out to 6700...not necessary to rev that high though. FWIW my rev limiter is at 6700 also.
4. Speed Limiter...this is the top speed limit of vehicle...250 is basically disabling the speed limiter...you will never come close to that.
5. SPeed Limiter Hysteresis...this is how many mph your vehicle must decelerate if you hit the speed limiter before allowing you to have throttle control again.
6. Vehicle SPeed threshold...this is the maximum MPH That the LC rev limiter will remain active. When you go over this MPH the LC rev limiter becomes inactive.

Hope this helps. If I screwed up anything above then my apologies, but Im pretty sure its correct. The values that you currently need to edit are the LC Rev Limiter. This will be a trial and error based on your tune, power, tires, weather, elevation etc. Start out at around 3k and go from there as you see fit.
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Current values:
FSS Rev Limiter: 6000 (Rev Limit RPM)
LC Rev Limiter: 4500
Rev Limiter: 6700
Speed Limiter: 250
Speed Limiter Hysteresis: 5.64
Vehicle Speed Threshold for LC/FFS: 5 (MPH)

Thanks guys. This is awesome. Hope this solves my 60' issue ;-)
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@mrmonk7663 Thanks for that info. I guess I'll be messing around with this stuff here tomorrow and test it out. It's really too bad we don't have direct access to those settings through the AP device itself. Whatever, ATR is fine I guess.

Isn't the whole point of launch control supposed to be that it keeps you at the target RPM range until you get to the specified speed? It only makes sense to me since the whole point is to not be high in those RPM's when you launch.
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Many vehicles can be equipped with aftermarket devices that allow you to stage at a commanded rpm for a launch, like at the drag strip. The reason for this is because with drive by wire throttle, it is sometimes difficult to maintain a constant rpm while staging...LC allows you to hold an rpm without worrying about keeping the throttle pedal in the perfect position. Most devices I know of do only this. Once launched the car revs up as normal...With the Cobb tables it appears that they take this a step further by allowing you to keep the commanded launch rpm up to a certain MPH. Again, I have not confirmed this but i'm sure many others have.

EDIT...I just verified with ATR Helpfile....as long as vehicle is below the LC vehicle speed threshold the LC Rev limiter will remain active...so if you set it at 5mph...it will not rev higher than what you command until 5mph or more.
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So I am running safe mode for now can i get LC and FFS for safe more?
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So I am running safe mode for now can i get LC and FFS for safe more?
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The ironic thing is I was just thinking of this today as I was driving home. I thought "Hmm, I wonder if anyone has enabled LC or FFS on a stock vehicle" or what it sounds like on a stock exhaust.
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I have UR TP and UR CBE but waiting on my internals so i am running safe mode but i dont know if it is possible to run safe mode nd have LS and FFS?
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Originally Posted by mrmonk7663 View Post
1. FSS Limiter...this is the rpm limit that the ECU will allow you to successfully FFS. If you shift consistently at 6000rpms, that is fine. If you shift higher, raise it up a bit.
The FFS rev limiter is the rev limit when the clutch is pressed in at WOT. It should be set lower than the RPM you shift at, so that the PCM drops the revs for you when you shift.

For example, I shift around 6300-6500 and my FFS rev limiter is set at 5400.


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I have UR TP and UR CBE but waiting on my internals so i am running safe mode but i dont know if it is possible to run safe mode nd have LS and FFS?
I don't see why not. The "safe mode" just targets safe boost levels (among other configuration settings) that are "safe" for the car when running on stock internals. With that said, I see no reason you can't go in and enable LC and FFS and configure those settings yourself.

However, I don't think I would be getting on the car that hard in the first place without internals. Isn't this why you're in safe mode to begin with? ;-)
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So would you guys suggest I let the lc speed up more to around 15mph or keep it at 5mph...
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So would you guys suggest I let the lc speed up more to around 15mph or keep it at 5mph...
That's what I've been wondering. It seems like 5mph wouldn't do much, so it would probably be best to set it higher. The only question is how high? It only makes sense that this is more than likely based on power/tires/whether/speed. Once you're able to get traction you wouldn't want to hold the RPM's at a constant number. Furthermore, if you set your LC RPM setting to be somewhat low, eventually you'll have to break out of that to go beyond the speed you've set it to (i.e. you can't go past XXmph at XXrpm's in 1st gear)

I've read of a few people trying between 10 and 15mph.
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The only reason to have lc
Mph at anything higher is if you're spinning. If you spin, the ecu thinks you're going faster than you actually are, and will allow rpm to climb, making it worse.

Set it too high and you hit the lc rpm limit before hitting the mph limit, with no spin, then you can't accelerate at all, unless you shift.

This is all right there in the afr help file btw. I suggest you read it, it's quite useful.

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@spoof3r i know i am not stepping on it at all i just wanted to have it you know what i mean?
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@spoof3r i know i am not stepping on it at all i just wanted to have it you know what i mean?
Yeah man, I don't see why not. Get accessTUNER and check it out. That way you'll know for sure either way
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I'm set at 15mph threshold and 3,500rpm, dsc off and ease clutch out... WIN!
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I need to play with all these launch control settings. I feel so left out. I don't launch much but when I do ...I fail.

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I've got my currently set a 2850rpm/10mph.

I'm headed to the drag strip on Sunday and planning on taking my laptop, to tweak if necessary. I've already planned on riding the clutch/pedaling the throttle to get the car off the line reasonable. I'll report back what I found the best settings to be, however I really think it's very depending on several variables that only you will be able to determine when you're trying to set it up. Get your copy of ATR on your laptop and give it a shot!
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What are the best RPM for FFS? anyone?
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I have mine set to 5200rpm, because I shift at 6300-6500 on the tach (which reads high in the upper rpms)
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Wow, this is a nice thread. Got all the info I was looking at to setup LC to use during auto-x.

Will play around with it

Thanks guys for sharing your experience. It'll be helpful for other looking into LC/FFS the first time.
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just as reference i had the best results launching with feathering the clutch at about 2k rpms , and as soon as i built boost i let out the clutch fully and feathered the throttle. Then as soon as you hit 2nd gear you go WOT and your good to go lol.
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How are you guys going burnouts with lc on? Guessing you aren't? Lc did not seem to help me much at the track for that reason. Going back today with no lc and see if I can get better results.
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