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So after I installed the JBR SSP, I grind second EVERY time I downshift into it going over 20-21 MPH. The grind never happens if I downshift under 20 MPH. Obviously I only downshift under 20 for obvious reasons. I don't recall this happening before I put in the SSP.
Dont matter if the clutch is to the floor or if I blip the throttle, it will happen all the time.
Anybody else have this issue? Is my SSP the issue?
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Fine tune your shifter


http://jamesbaroneracing.com/support/FineTune.htm
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Done that 20 times over already.
No matter how much I adjust it still grinds when downshifting over 20 mph. As long as im under that speed there's no grind. Could this be a problem with my trans that I should get the dealer to take care of?
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Deja vu, if it didn't do it before then yes you need to the keep adjusting the shifter
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Take off the plate and see if it does it. If it does grind your Synchro could be going out. But if it doesn't grind keep fine tuning the shifter. Trust me takes some time.

Also...I see you got the stag 2 SSP so are your bushings installed correctly?
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How many different ways can it be adjusted? I've spent at least 10 hours marking different adjustments. The shifter feels great and shifts smoothly except for the 2nd gear downshift over 20.
Like I said other then downshifting into second over 20 the gear engages just fine. Yeah the bushing are installed correctly (Though im not sure how you could fuck that up hah)

Oh and its been doing this since like 800 miles, Ive been actively adjusting the shifter all the time (now 9000 miles).
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Damn I feel your pain! Am on my 2nd tranny with this damn car! smh...take off the plate bro and put it back to stock. Then you'll def know

Careful with all the 2nd gear grinding action from all the back and forth messing with it. If it is the synchro it'll eventually go and you'll have no 2rd gear. Am curious with how everything is set up now what happens if you give that 2nd gear downshift a little more oomph and jam it dwn does it pop in without grinding?
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Doing that right now, though the problem only showed up once the SSP was on
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Alright, took it off and drove apart putting through the paces.
ZERO issues with the SSP off. Could my JBR SSP be improperly made?
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Do you happen to grind your 2nd from 1st under very heavy load shifting? I get it almost every time now..
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Do you happen to grind your 2nd from 1st under very heavy load shifting? I get it almost every time now..
I find mine doing that from 4th to 5th, very annoying in a race

Op contact james and see what he says hell be able to help out
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Rev match when you downshift. Give the tranny a hand. I think the ssp makes a few problems, whenever I push the car ill grind going into third no matter what. And fine tuning does crap. I tuned it so it feels smooth but I don't drive hard end uhh everyday to tune it so I can find what makes it grind.
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I'm sure he's rev matching the car.
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yeah it sounds like another prob for sure
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May be a stupid question, but do you rev first or put it in 2nd gear first?
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Well, I think I figure out the issue.
The part where the cable attaches to the SSP is to high and makes it hard for the trans to hit 1st & 2nd nicely. No tuning has helped this. Its not actually a "grind" so much as a "clunk" getting into the gear (like a pulsing feedback making it real hard to get the car in gear)
No SSP= No problem
SSP installed= Issues.

Obviously this differs from car to car as most people aren't having this issue. On the other hand, maybe I got a early revision of the SSP.
I tried my buddies J-Speed SSP and it worked flawlessly.
I think Ill shoot James a pm...
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I think the best thing to do is contact jbarone and see what he has to say. Initially i thought for sure it was just your second gear syncro but that would show up with the stock shift plate as well so it must be something with the plate.
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I think the best thing to do is contact jbarone and see what he has to say. Initially i thought for sure it was just your second gear syncro but that would show up with the stock shift plate as well so it must be something with the plate.
Yeah, exactly. The car works just fine stock and with another brand SSP, so Its defiantly something to do with the JBR SSP.
Anybody else have this issue? Just want to make sure its a isolated incident.
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ha my car has 2000 k on it and its been doing that shit from day one.. going in for service and tranny flush on tuesday to see if that helps.
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ha my car has 2000 k on it and its been doing that shit from day one.. going in for service and tranny flush on tuesday to see if that helps.
I think you have a different issue if your grinding 2nd without the SSP.
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Its not the SSP nor is it the the cable. It's also not a defect in the SSP itself. If it was a problem with SSP or the cable everyone would have the same problem.

Downshifting to second over 20-25MPH is not recommended with, or with out an SSP. There is no reason for it. The grind with the shift plate is the transmissions way of telling you two things. First, you're going to fast to downshift in to 2nd and unfortunately, it''s also telling you 2nd gear is going to give you trouble in the future.

Stay in third at speeds above 20-25mph.

Also have you taken a look to see if your Rear Motor Mount is still in good shape? Problems with it will certainly give you shifting issues. Id' like to also recommend you take some time getting used to the SSP before attempting to fine tune it or trying to race the first Mustang you see. You will grind and miss gears if you don't.

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Originally Posted by eppopipe View Post
So after I installed the JBR SSP, I grind second EVERY time I downshift into it going over 20-21 MPH. The grind never happens if I downshift under 20 MPH. Obviously I only downshift under 20 for obvious reasons. I don't recall this happening before I put in the SSP.
Dont matter if the clutch is to the floor or if I blip the throttle, it will happen all the time.
Anybody else have this issue? Is my SSP the issue?
same exact thing is happening to me ive tried everything to fine tune it and with it stock there is no problem at all and its only downshifting into second at ANY speed even if i rev match, i took the plates out, im not gonna fuck up the trans because of this, i like the way the shifter is other wise just sucks it has to do that, its not the trans, if it was it would do it with the stock shifter plates, not that i do it, but i can downshift to second with stock shift plates with out and noise or problem what so ever, ive heard/read a few cases of this exact same problem, i know someone with the exact same car, im gonna install the ssp on his and see what happens.
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I put in the shifter bushings only and if I shift to seocnd it is very audible. It isn't a grinding, just very audible. It's only 2nd gear. I can be going 0mph in my driveway or 10mph on my street...same noise everytime. Prior to the bushing installation I heard nothing. It goes into gear fine, no resistance, just very audible. My car has less than 2000k miles on it. I have no idea how you can mess the bushing installation up. It's pretty straight forward.
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I love how these "2nd Gear or 3rd gear Grind" threads pop up every few months and it always turns out to be the transmission.

If the car grinds with an SSP, it grinds without it. You just may not be able to hear or feel it as much. Long story short it's the transmission.

Changing the fluid helps a lot.
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Originally Posted by jbarone View Post
Its not the SSP nor is it the the cable. It's also not a defect in the SSP itself. If it was a problem with SSP or the cable everyone would have the same problem.

Downshifting to second over 20-25MPH is not recommended with, or with out an SSP. There is no reason for it. The grind with the shift plate is the transmissions way of telling you two things. First, you're going to fast to downshift in to 2nd and unfortunately, it''s also telling you 2nd gear is going to give you trouble in the future.

Stay in third at speeds above 20-25mph.

Also have you taken a look to see if your Rear Motor Mount is still in good shape? Problems with it will certainly give you shifting issues. Id' like to also recommend you take some time getting used to the SSP before attempting to fine tune it or trying to race the first Mustang you see. You will grind and miss gears if you don't.

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Thanks alot for this. So its just because the throw is shorter that the trans has more feedback to tell me that I can't downshift above 20mph? I would take the car to the dealer to have em check the 2nd gear but once I take the plate off it has ZERO problems. That and it works fine with another brand SSP...
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Oh and btw- I just checked the RMM, Still looks good


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same exact thing is happening to me ive tried everything to fine tune it and with it stock there is no problem at all and its only downshifting into second at ANY speed even if i rev match, i took the plates out, im not gonna fuck up the trans because of this, i like the way the shifter is other wise just sucks it has to do that, its not the trans, if it was it would do it with the stock shifter plates, not that i do it, but i can downshift to second with stock shift plates with out and noise or problem what so ever, ive heard/read a few cases of this exact same problem, i know someone with the exact same car, im gonna install the ssp on his and see what happens.
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I love how these "2nd Gear or 3rd gear Grind" threads pop up every few months and it always turns out to be the transmission.

If the car grinds with an SSP, it grinds without it. You just may not be able to hear or feel it as much. Long story short it's the transmission.

Changing the fluid helps a lot.
Hope its not my trans, since the car has been doing it since I put the SSP on at around 400 or so miles on the clock


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JBarone or anyone else, what kind of tranny fluid do you reccomend for the Genpu? I want to go ahead and get this done.
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Had the same exact problem with mine. took it off.. Got SURE ssp (have a thread in this section on it) and I don't have that problem anymore.but the fluid is magic so it might help out with the noise.
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I bet that SURE's design they copied off Jamie is the reason it's not happening.
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I bet that SURE's design they copied off Jamie is the reason it's not happening.
huh? design is different. concept is the same ill give you that.... Jazzy was making these before, did Jamie copy him? I was just stating my experience..Im not hating on jamies stuff. I know it works for most... for the rest the more aggressive throws might be too much and it causes the issue (but thats just my theory)..anyways go back to hugging jamies nuts
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huh? design is different. concept is the same ill give you that.... Jazzy was making these before, did Jamie copy him? I was just stating my experience..Im not hating on jamies stuff. I know it works for most... for the rest the more aggressive throws might be too much and it causes the issue (but thats just my theory)..anyways go back to hugging jamies nuts
Sure just made it look pretty, like all of their products. They've brought nothing new to the community, just remade parts in nice packaging.

I had a grinding issue with Jamie's SSP, and adjusted my shifter, and guess what? It's fucking buttery smooth right now.
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You dont know what you're talking about. having a plate for a short shifter is not a new thing. Jamie didn't invent it. He took time in our community to support it and thats why he is appreciated around here. Nothing he has made is a new thing. did he not come out with a RMM after everyone else? do we discredit him? No cause he shows support for our platform.. listen, the point you're trying to make is wrong.


My response for the OP was not to make this about what is better.. It was about my experience (same as his)..

OP also adjusted his.. and guess what? it still makes the noise.
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same thing was happening to me. i ended up figuring it wasn't worth effort for the shorter throw so i had it off for a year. i read a couple threads about the sure ssp and figured i would give it a shot, works great for me too. don't have to worry about it at all now. seemed to me like the 3 to 2 throw wasn't allowing the synchro to do its job. really wish that my jbr ssp would have worked though, i know a lot of others, most everyone on here, has had success. doesn't make any sense to me why it would be different from car to car.

and the designs are different by the way. the ball is set lower on the plate than on the jbr. doesn't allow for as short of a throw, but it does seem to keep the cable in a relatively good mood.
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thanks for the post and the link on his website to fine tune the shifter. my car has been having issues with only 2nd gear after installing the SSP. I already had shifter bushings installed long long long ago and decided to install his SSP. I love the short shifting but the grinding in 2nd is really annoying when i'm wanting to get on it. I'm due for a tranny fluid flush, i've got about 30k miles on the redline tranny fluid i currently have in the car. It's not a buttery smooth as it was when i put it in. So i'm going to give the ford stuff a try and also try to fine tune my shifter to see if i can get the car back to properly shifting into 2nd.

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I've had the same problem since I installed my JBR SSP. Aside from the 3rd to 2nd downshift, everything has been jiffy. I might try out the SURE SSP if you guys are having better luck.
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ok so i'm in the same position as the OP. i have the JBR SSP and am having the same clunky noise down shifiting into 2nd. i noticed that if i granny shifty it in its not as bad but thats only under that condition. i never really spoke up because i figured that with the music off and windows down, the clunky noise was nothing too far out of the ordinary. after all its just a more pronounced shifting sound, there's no grinding or anything like that.

what are my options here? am i causing damage as a result of leaving the SSP in? my car is at 5600 miles and still under warranty. should i stock out and take it to the dealer to see if its the tranny?
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