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Originally Posted by peter_parker8740 View Post
hes going to check all my bushing on the rest of the car
If it's the same clunk many of us are having, it's unlikely to be bushings, but let us know. I suspect it's the synchro design.

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well after more driving and looking around the engine bay ended up being the passenger side motor mount.... FAIL. the clunking sound i was getting was the motor mount hitting its self too.
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this is a pic of the far side of the motor mount where its was smacking itself under heavy torque
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Originally Posted by peter_parker8740 View Post
well after more driving and looking around the engine bay ended up being the passenger side motor mount.... FAIL. the clunking sound i was getting was the motor mount hitting its self too.
Congrats on locating the source of your "clunking" sound; I believe the OP is still out to find a solution for the original issue at hand.
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First off, the engine is NOT hitting the firewall unless all three of your engine mounts have failed completely, and even then you'd probably break an axle first. If you get under the car, remove the RMM and physically rock the engine until it hits something, you would observe that the first point of contact is the transmission RMM bracket against the steering rack. If this were happening consistently, then you would have some serious damage to one or both pieces after the first few occurrences.

As for clunking during shifting, this is a common noise that is intermittent for most of us. It is usually caused by a slight mistiming of clutch disengagement relative to throttle release during shifting; essentially the teeth of the gears inside the transmission are still experiencing torque during the shift, and the clunk sound is heard when they are forcefully disengaged by movement of the synchros. If you're very careful about how you disengage the clutch such that it occurs exactly as you let off the throttle but before engine braking begins, you will minimize this noise.

Yes, this is correct for me as well. Car has 200 miles on it and I had to look it up in the forums.
Makes sense. My buddies Sti has its own set of noises that are distinct to those cars.

2 things after driving mine for a couple days...... If you like shifting, buy a Ms3 because the gears are short as all hell! ( fun though), and if you don't like racecar type driveline noises, you should have bought a prius.
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Originally Posted by public enemy [URL=http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/misc.php?do=dbtech_usertag_hash&hash=1
#1[/URL]1435364]Random interjection: I've owned two RX8's, driven .. well I don't know how many more. Moved over to the MS series and have driven 3 MS3's (bone stock) and 4 MS6's. Most of these were in Hawaii but a couple in Arizona and NC too.

In literally every one of those platforms I felt a 1-2 "clunk" - audible from outside the vehicle especially. In my rotary days I spent time looking through RX8club.com and RX7club.com and found no real hits on the "clunking" which is mostly notable from 1-2. The only difference I could ever make was as mhebert2001 did: granny shift it. All gears shifting from forward position to rear (1-2, 3-4, 5-6) made somewhat of a clunk and had to be babied just a little.

My friend Shayne in Hawaii always said he didn't like the sound in my RX8 and we drew to the conclusion, after thinking it over, it must be synchros. The sound is similar to a single knick on the gears when grinding (without actually grinding it) - so it kinda made sense. We never felt like breaking it down because the car drove just fine minus the extra audio from the gearbox.

To see consistency in every gearbox of all those vehicles brought me at ease maybe not for accepting it as "close enough," but more towards a "this must be like the whole lineup thing."

Deep in my thoughts though - all of these vehicles were produced in the 2004-2012 timeline. Transmission design fail? Quite possibly. Has it ever caused a problem during high rpm driving? Besides the sound, no.

If that sets you at ease, so be it. If not - buy an F22 Raptor powertrain and mount it on top of the car.
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FINALLY got to taking a recording of my clunking and other various noises: http://www.tisdigital.com/ANITIX_MS3.zip

The important bit:
0:10 - I coast at 40MPH and run through the gears (especially 3-4) and you can obviously hear the clunk. Keep in mind, this is coasting so there is no engine load, no drivetrain twist or slack changes, or anything that would affect the RMM at all.

Throughout the rest of the sound clip you can hear that clunk on various upshifts (rarely happens on downshifts).

Some other random noises:
1:05 - This is my new awful suspension banging from the rear that I get on large bumps. I think it's a sway bar issue based on the sound, but I'm getting it checked out on Thursday.

1:10 - A nice 3rd gear grind at WOT just to prove I need a driver mod!

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Speaking of concerning noises. I have a slight concern with my 2011 MS3. When I pull out for work every morning, the car being cold, I hear a single loud pop that comes from my front end. This only happens when I am reversing while turning the wheel. I have noticed this only happens when the car has not been warmed up. This has happened since the day I bought it new. I now have 15xxx and still hear this pop. Note that this is only 1 pop, not multiple.
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Speaking of concerning noises.
ABS system calibrating itself. Search, brownie, and stop posting in unrelated threads.

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Originally Posted by ANITIX87 View Post
FINALLY got to taking a recording of my clunking and other various noises: http://www.tisdigital.com/ANITIX_MS3.zip

The important bit:
0:10 - I coast at 40MPH and run through the gears (especially 3-4) and you can obviously hear the clunk. Keep in mind, this is coasting so there is no engine load, no drivetrain twist or slack changes, or anything that would affect the RMM at all.

Throughout the rest of the sound clip you can hear that clunk on various upshifts (rarely happens on downshifts).

Some other random noises:
1:05 - This is my new awful suspension banging from the rear that I get on large bumps. I think it's a sway bar issue based on the sound, but I'm getting it checked out on Thursday.

1:10 - A nice 3rd gear grind at WOT just to prove I need a driver mod!

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I just got a chance to listen to that recording, thanks for sharing it. I am assuming once you got up to 40 mph you were just shifting back and forth between 3rd and 4th?

Regarding the 3rd gear "grind" you heard, are you sure that was a 2nd to 3rd up shift?

The reason I am asking is that is the EXACT sound mine makes from 1st to 2nd up shifts unless I am methodically slow shifting.
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I am assuming once you got up to 40 mph you were just shifting back and forth between 3rd and 4th?
They key is that I was shifting with the clutch engaged the whole time. I was never actually going INTO gear, just moving through the two in clutch-induced neutral. That's what leads me to say vehemently that it isn't a drivetrain slack or engine mount issue and that it's the synchros.

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Regarding the 3rd gear "grind" you heard, are you sure that was a 2nd to 3rd up shift?
Positive, it was a fast, hard shift from 2-3. It may not have been a true "grind", it could just have been the synchro temporarily engaging poorly if I released the clutch a tiny bit too early.

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Originally Posted by ANITIX87 View Post
They key is that I was shifting with the clutch engaged the whole time. I was never actually going INTO gear, just moving through the two in clutch-induced neutral. That's what leads me to say vehemently that it isn't a drivetrain slack or engine mount issue and that it's the synchros.


Positive, it was a fast, hard shift from 2-3. It may not have been a true "grind", it could just have been the synchro temporarily engaging poorly if I released the clutch a tiny bit too early.

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I actually understood what you were doing, keeping the clutch pushed in, I was just wondering which gears you were moving between.

Mine can produce the identical sound, but only between 1-2 and 3-4.

As far as the grind, I have only heard that during up shifts from 1st - 2nd, and I do not need to be driving it hard either.

My 3 - 4 up shifts sounds more like a dog barking like someone equated it to.

I am like you in that I cant believe it is mount related. That said, I am thinking about swapping out the RMM just to see what happens. Again, it probably wont solve anything, but it would at least rule it out as the root cause.
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I am like you in that I cant believe it is mount related. That said, I am thinking about swapping out the RMM just to see what happens. Again, it probably wont solve anything, but it would at least rule it out as the root cause.
Let me know if it solves the problem. I won't be able to do an RMM until a few months from now, but I'm curious if it helps you. Do it!!

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Let me know if it solves the problem. I won't be able to do an RMM until a few months from now, but I'm curious if it helps you. Do it!!

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I will definitively share my findings with everyone. It would be so sweet if this was the fix!
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Mine has done it since the day I drove home. 1,900 miles now and this weekend going to swap the tranny fluid for some Motorcraft xt-m5-qs. Will let you know if it quietens down the syncros because I truly believe this is what everyone is hearing.
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Hi guys, just wondering if anybody has had any clunking/knocking sounds from there Gen 2 Mazdaspeed3/MPS. My car started making a slight clunk after every gear change and slowly has gotten a worse. The dealer looked at it and diagnosed it as the passenger side engine mount (AUS spec, so drivers side to the US) and they replaced it yesterday but the problem is still there. At first the Mazda mechanic said the noise was normal driveline noise but then later agreed it was getting louder. They are organising for a Mazda Engineer to have a look at it soon. Anybody had a problem like this??????
I have a new MS3 and put in a CPE gen 2 RMM, which is extremely burly, still get clunks, still drives like a banshee, was fine in its first autox, also put in a heavier rear sway bar (corksport)
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Mine has done it since the day I drove home. 1,900 miles now and this weekend going to swap the tranny fluid for some Motorcraft xt-m5-qs. Will let you know if it quietens down the syncros because I truly believe this is what everyone is hearing.
I am definitely curious if this helps, though the consensus here seems to be that FoMoCo transmission fluid is the best for our cars.

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Originally Posted by Printman View Post
Mine has done it since the day I drove home. 1,900 miles now and this weekend going to swap the tranny fluid for some Motorcraft xt-m5-qs. Will let you know if it quietens down the syncros because I truly believe this is what everyone is hearing.
Did you swap the fluids? Any updates on the clunk????

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I will definitively share my findings with everyone. It would be so sweet if this was the fix!
Did you get the chance to do the RMM replacement? (Just happened to see your HPFP thread and didn't want to hijack it with this stuff, so I'm asking here).

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Originally Posted by ANITIX87 View Post
Did you get the chance to do the RMM replacement? (Just happened to see your HPFP thread and didn't want to hijack it with this stuff, so I'm asking here).
@ANITIX87: When this group buy goes down for MS6 motor mounts I'll chime in if @Printman doesn't. I'm pretty sure its just shitty synchros like I posted on the previous page; it only makes sense. Many Mazda vehicles make this sound during shifts.

I used Redline MT-90 on my RX-8 and all it really did was make for very buttery motion in the shifter; I really enjoyed the feeling. The fluid did not change the clunking as diagnosed by the previous pages, leading me to believe the synchros are at fault.
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After about 700 miles the tranny still clunks from time to time on regular shifting but man is the shifting smooooth! It has also eliminated all the 1-2 and 2-3 grind I had, even after adjusting the shifter. (Note: Did not have grind with stock RMM only after adding a JBR 88 DM Chromoly RMM). This is NOT meant to be a bad reflection on JBR Motor mounts. His stuff is top notch quality, It just happened to me and trying to give someone a reference if it happens to them with any company's RMM and how to remedy it without going back to stock RMM.

I would definitely recommend the Motorcraft xt-m5-qs if you are having grinding issues when shifting hard near redline but it only quiets down the syncros a little. I do not think we have anything to worry about, it is just the nature of the transmission, noisy on some quiet on others.
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My 2007 MS3 clunks everytime I shift at all from a dead stop (and soft grinds between gears usually). I had all my mounts done but didn't really stop the clunking or every inch of the car vibrating for that matter. I basically ignore it since they refuse to acknowledge it as a problem. I always thought it was a noisy differential that caused the clunk. I know I read that somewhere in here.
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I basically ignore it since they refuse to acknowledge it as a problem. I always thought it was a noisy differential that caused the clunk. I know I read that somewhere in here.
Noisy diff is generally an MS6 issue, not really known as much in the MS3.

I think it's probably the synchros, like in my car and in many other owners' cars who have the same clunk. I want to change the tranny fluid but can't get under my car while here in FL on business and I haven't gotten a concrete answer from the dealer on whether it will affect my warranty.

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I will definitively share my findings with everyone. It would be so sweet if this was the fix!
First off I have not done the RMM swap and most likely will skip it, at least for now.

I was finally able to drive another NEW MS3 at the dealer last week. The clunking was one of two concerns with my 2012 and I was able to drive with a Mazda tech in both vehicles.

In the interest of keeping this thread on track I will only address the transmission clunking.

Long story short, the 1-2 clunk and 3-4 clunk are completely normal.

The NEW MS3 had 2 miles on it and with 100% consistency made the clunking sound upshifting between those gears. Although I didn’t really pay attention to other upshifts, for example, 3-4 or 5-6, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they exhibited similar qualities.

So there you have it, the clunking is completely normal and expected.

Some owners on this forum who have driven MS3’s long enough probably already knew this. That’s ok. This information is for those that are new to this platform and might not have another friends car to compare it to.

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Had clunking at first with both gentle and agressive shifting. Put in a TRZ Dogbone and clunking is gone. Stock rear motor mount is a peiece of shit. TRZ vibrates the shit out of your car because of the durometer but things settle down eventually. (will never feel stock) Dont trust dealerships. They say they fix something "test drive it" (yeah OK) and tell you everything is ay OK. Had tranny problems with mustang 5.0 and was not able to get my issues resolved. Do some research about common speed issues.
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I don't know if anyone else has had luck with this yet, but I have found that installing a winter set (16" steel wheels, 205/55R16 tires) has almost completely eliminated the clunk I had when shifting. It now only happens under hard acceleration. What the hell is going on?!?!!?

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I had a clunk in the rear. Rsb needed retorque.

Agree re rmm. No clunck here.

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These cars, having a powerful engine and putting it all down to the 2 front wheels, put more strain on their front end components than an AWD vehicle for example (obviously). Mayeb this is a reason for the mounts getting weak rather quickly. Just my hypothesis

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My car has 700 miles on it and it clucks from first to second....normal? Seems to be normal to those one here.
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My car has 700 miles on it and it clucks from first to second....normal? Seems to be normal to those one here.
I have one with 4000 miles and one with 100 miles and both do it. Have no worries this is completely normal.
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Been a while since i posted on this matter but my clunk isn't noticable anymore. My car has done 34,000kms now and i dont hear or atleast dont notice any clunks anymore. Maybe you guys with the same problem might find it goes away with time when things wear a little and mods progress. Good luck finding out the source thou.
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