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 Old 07-26-2013, 07:51 AM   #41
 
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Originally Posted by JgamB View Post
I've never seen +10% LTFTs on one of @Lex;'s JBR specific maps, they are usually spot on - maybe it's something to do with your CAI getting turbulence? I'm grasping here, but I don't see too many people running them.

That 2nd log doesn't really look all that bad for the apparently shitty fuel and the persistent KR in the meat of your torque production, but you're certainly not making good power. You might need meth to get this sorted.
I'm going to remove that cold air extension and see if there are any changes on the ltft

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So I have taken off my CAI and TIP and put it back on, painstakingly ensuring that everything is nice and tight .. i also found a leak at the BPV which i fixed. I ran a series of 3rd gear logs and i seem to have corrected my LTFT, but the car still feels sluggish, not to mention the persistent KR at around 4k rmp.

numbers on VDyno are all over the place, including one which gives me 330HP/TQ (data log 4). the other two give me numbers very similar to when i dynoed (~~230hp 260TQ)

Any other suggestions as to what could be causing numbers this low?
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Can you add Injector Duty Cycle to your logs?

How much time are you waiting between WOT runs?

The only things I can notice is that your Calculated Load and your WGDC seems to be a little low.
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Load values do look low. Any idea what the load targets are?
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I still don't know how you can expect to be tuned correctly with a locked map (even a Strat one) if you can't even do a MAF Cal. Your LTFT in closed loop need to be +/- 2 in order to be running properly. Because every car is different, a car specific MAF Cal needs to be done. And that's just to start.
If everything is def tightened down, and you def have no leaks, I hate to say this, but you might wanna start from a reg OTS MAP, plug in values from the Strat map that you need for your specific intake, do a proper MAF Cal, then start plugging in other values from the Strat Map and fine tune from there.
Also, if the values he's giving are very aggressive, you might wanna consider a 33% E85 mixture. You'll lose more KR. Just my 2 cents, but it seems like trying to work from this locked map has caused you enough frustration already.
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This is a 3rd gear log so you will see less power in 3rd than in 4th.

Are you rolling into the throttle or punching it? If you aren't punching it, punch it since it will give you a more aggressive boost response.

The KR you are seeing at 5k RPM shows that you won't have much room for power without better fuel

Finally, with some VD logs showing 330 and others 230, the logs are not consistent enough to be trusted for power results.

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I still don't know how you can expect to be tuned correctly with a locked map (even a Strat one) if you can't even do a MAF Cal. Your LTFT in closed loop need to be +/- 2 in order to be running properly.
This statement is not correct. LTFTs will fluctuate more than +/-2 simply based on weather, fuel used, the A/C being on.

LTFTs are designed to self calibrate and that means they will change by design. This does not make the car run poorly or any worse. It's just the ECU self calibrating.

The gen2 adjusts fueling even under WOT up to ~+/-12%

I start to consider adjusting the MAF calibration when LTFTs off idle are at +/-10 or larger and/or WOT AFRs deviate from targets by more than ~0.3 or so to even move above the noise floor.

Don't chase your tail trying to 0 LTFTs thinking it makes the car run at its best because it's not the case.

Large (+/-10%) changes in LTFTs that happen suddenly can be used to diagnose leaks if the fuel is kept consistent and that is how they can best be used as a diagnostic tool.
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Thanks for the education @Lex;. I love to learn a little more every day. Esp when I learned bad info from one joker, and got the correct info from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
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Load values do look low. Any idea what the load targets are?
Im not sure what the load targets are on this map. Maybe @Lex; can shed some light on this.

I suppose that the frustration is coming from getting such low numbers (whether it'd be on a Dynojet or vDyno). I understand that i have to get e-tuned to really get more out of my car and that all cars are different, but the fact that "baseline" seems low (even lower than some stock MS3s) makes me believe that there is something wrong with it. I'm pulling out my hair trying to trouble shoot it.

As a side note, i have noticed that its burning through gas at a much quicker rate than it used to. My guess is that these two are issues are related. WTH can it be? any other ideas?
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Are you rolling into the throttle or punching it? If you aren't punching it, punch it since it will give you a more aggressive boost response.

The KR you are seeing at 5k RPM shows that you won't have much room for power without better fuel
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Maybe the vacuum line going from the stock boost control to the wastegate solenoid needs to be replaced. Ot seems like the wastegate isn't really closing while WOT.

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your turbo is shot,

After looking at your data log your turbo is only holding about 15 psi in the high RPMS.

A healthy turbo will be holding 17-18.5 psi at redline.

Tuned by Nishan made a really good video on youtube called " why some speed 3s make less power than others"

he had 2 examples, 2 speed 3s with very similar miles and the same exact mods tuned on the same dyno.

One was tuned on 93 and the other was tuned on e85 and the car tuned on 93 made almost 40 more horsepower than the e85 car. This is because the e85 car was only holding 15 psi and the pump gas car was holding 18.5 psi at redline.
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It sounds like your eyes are shot.

A healthy set of eyes would have seen this post is from 2013.

The eye doctor has a really good chart/example to show you if your eyes are shot called "snellen chart"

He has several examples of letters you read back to him to see if your eyes are shit, or similar to that of a bat.

Get the fuck out of this old ass thread and invest in a snellen chart.
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The fuck Is ur problem bro I was just trying to help the guy
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My problem 'bro', is you don't give advice to someone five years later. It's called being asinine...
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The fuck Is ur problem bro I was just trying to help the guy
I think if he is still haveing problems after 5 years i doubt you are going to help out but hey who am i to say anything that post was pure gold. If only you were here 5 years ago you could of solved the OP's issue with 1 post!!!!
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your turbo is shot,

After looking at your data log your turbo is only holding about 15 psi in the high RPMS.

A healthy turbo will be holding 17-18.5 psi at redline.

Tuned by Nishan made a really good video on youtube called " why some speed 3s make less power than others"

he had 2 examples, 2 speed 3s with very similar miles and the same exact mods tuned on the same dyno.

One was tuned on 93 and the other was tuned on e85 and the car tuned on 93 made almost 40 more horsepower than the e85 car. This is because the e85 car was only holding 15 psi and the pump gas car was holding 18.5 psi at redline.
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