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 Old 12-31-2015, 09:21 AM   #1
 
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I got my 2010 MS3 in November 2014 with 55,000 kms on it, and during the 2014 winter I had one or two occurrences of a power-limiting issue where the car would not rev to 3100 rpm (off boost). It didn't happen again so I just put it to the back of my mind and left it there.

This year once the weather got a little cooler (10°C, east coast of Canada) it started happening more often and is now quite regular so I need some help figuring it out. I don't know the car all that well but am generally a pretty good learner when required.

Symptoms: experienced in all gears expect first (so far) - accelerates normal until just under 3100 rpm and which case it just stops and any more throttle I give it just seems to bog the car down more. This is normal acceleration, I stay out of boost under 3000 rpm. A few months ago, if I experienced this in 3rd gear for example and shifted to 4th, it wouldn't happen, and if I shifted back to 3rd sometimes it would happen again and sometimes it wouldn't. Tuesday I had a 450 km drive and it was happening in 5th and 6th pretty much the entire drive.

I've gotten codes on two occasions (no CEL on either). First time I pulled a P0089 (fuel pressure regulator performance) and EPS U0100 (communication error to PCM).
Second time the codes were P0089 and P2004 (IMRC Intake Manifold Runner Control). The P2004 code didn't cause a CEL so I am not too worried about it being more than a one-off yet.

The car is stock, and I have purchased a V3 AccessPort, changed the plugs and cleaned the MAF. Two local dealerships are clueless about this car and frankly this seems a much better place to figure it out then in their bays for hours on end guessing.

I've attached screen shots and aptly named logs showing what my car is doing when this issue is occurring, and when it isn't (they were logged five minutes apart, good after the bad log, both in 3rd gear).

So in short, car inconsistently limits power/fuel/boost at 3100 rpms and ignores any more throttle. I don't want to throw money at fuel pump internals or other parts without educating myself (and I have searched lots!).

Please help me learn to love my car
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Dropping to ITFP levels (40-60psi fuel pressure) indicates a defect in the HPFP. I would double check the spill valve harness is clipped in tight / pins aren't bent, and pull and clean the existing HPFP internals, inspect the quad rings, look for scoring, etc.
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While I haven't had time to pull the pump out yet (or the resources, as my DIY garage membership has expired and I need to be responsored to renew), would it be more worth my while just to get the Corksport/Autotech HPFP internals and do this all at once?
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Based on code P0089 and this post, I took the spill valve/fuel pressure regulator out of the pump on the weekend and cleaned it. It looked pretty clean, some gunk on the outside/bottom but nothing on the piston itself, but the car has run like a champ ever since (knock on wood).
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So after cleaning the "spill valve" three months ago the car has run great. It just takes a long time now to start unless I give it some gas.
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So after cleaning the "spill valve" three months ago the car has run great. It just takes a long time now to start unless I give it some gas.
I dont know what causes that but you get a like from me for owning an EVO 5!
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I dont know what causes that but you get a like from me for owning an EVO 5!
I am not sure either why it would solve one issue but create another. I thought it might be gravity related, but if the fuel pump primes when the car is in the on position (not started) that isn't the case. Pressures are good while it is running, at least, so there's that.

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Bumping my own dormant thread...

Slow starts are noticeably worse in the cold weather. Today was a good test day as it was -16°C and by far the coldest morning this winter. I primed the car 3 times (Ignition to on for few seconds, off, repeat x2) and the car started immediately.

I was thinking to clean the EGR valve, but this issue of long cranks only really started (or got much worse) after taking the 'spill valve' out of the top of the HPFP and cleaning it, which solved my issue under boost...

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Bumping my own dormant thread...

Slow starts are noticeably worse in the cold weather. Today was a good test day as it was -16°C and by far the coldest morning this winter. I primed the car 3 times (Ignition to on for few seconds, off, repeat x2) and the car started immediately.

I was thinking to clean the EGR valve, but this issue of long cranks only really started (or got much worse) after taking the 'spill valve' out of the top of the HPFP and cleaning it, which solved my issue under boost...

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Today was a very cold day indeed i am in waterloo ontario however i have never experienced issues with my 08 starting in cold. What do you exactly mean by long cranks ? Ofcourse the cranks will be longer in cold weather usually. I always notice a difference between cold weather start and warmed up engine start. I have never cleaned my EGR car has 150k. I dont think your EGR has anything to do with this.
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I am in Halifax. Screw winter. 12° forecast for Sunday :S

By long crank I mean it will just turn over for a long time (far too long). Seems if I give it a little throttle it will start faster, and today with priming it a few times it started right away. It happens regardless of temperature, but the colder it is the worse it is.

My thoughts on the EGR came from searching in the forums for similar issues with slow starts.

It hasn't warmed up any so I see if the priming works consistently.
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Okk i see you def still have some fueling issues. Which also can be dangerous if on the high pressure side. I would def look more into this by inspecting the high pressure pump and everything associated with the system. You need to go through the mazda service manual and inspect everything associated with your previous codes.

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Good advice. I've been avoiding replacing the pump but it might be a good idea to upgrade it.

I also haven't logged for a while, I'll do that too.
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Yes loggs mught tell you alot. However i highly advise against replacing parts without finding a root cause. See the upgraded fuel pump is a good thing however you could still be back to square one if that wasnt the issue. Its just my school of thought lol

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Definitely agree. The only benefit is that the HPFP upgrade is one of those borderline-necessary upgrades haha
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There was a new code waiting for me from sometime within the last week...
P0172, Fuel system too Rich (Bank 1). I wonder if that's from excessive throttle during ignition lol
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That could be from your extra priming... I could be wrong though.

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Could be if it was from this morning. I will keep looking for codes over the next little bit as well, see if it comes up again.
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I had read that after shutting the car off the fuel pressure should stay around 200 PSI? I can't find it again, naturally.
Did some logging, pressure is dropping off quite a bit after shut off.
Numbers look good under operation, at least.
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I took the spill valve out and cleaned it, and the car was starting immediately for a week and is now starting to go back to poor starts.
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