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Originally Posted by WetzMS3 View Post
I still say each team nominates certain people to count for more in each event, anyone who competes counts somehow, but designated car/drivers worth more.

Doesn't matter to me, shit should be fun, not overly complicated or competitive. Overly, we all know it'll be competitive.

Do Clint and Austin get to compete? And do they pick their teams? Cause if they pick their teams, isn't that kinda deciding the prize already? Lol

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I like the idea of teams picking one person per event to count more. Gives people an incentive to target one event but still count in others. I even like the idea of calling out others and having that factor in (+1 point for beating them, -1 point for losing, 0 points if you don't call someone out).
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Ill run my car at a strip in MI.....
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Originally Posted by MikeBavaro View Post
Ill run my car at a strip in MI.....
If that's what it takes, in.

Where is it? Ideally within 200 miles of home. Lol

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Milan drag way is just off of rt23 south of Detroit ~40 min north of Toledo. Id just run for shits and giggles. There is no way in hell id have a chance running against most of you guys
There is also onondaga Dragway just south of Lansing
About how far will 200 miles take you into Michigan?
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You guys should race for slips


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You guys should race for slips


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If I could afford a track day Id be all over it but my car is in desperate need of struts, good pads and sticky tires to be worth a shit on track. Its like auto-crossing a whale on the blown OEM's I have now.
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I'm down for all dates except July fourth cuz 'Murica. In the event that there is a tie, maybe a hardpark off could be the deciding challenge. Give me some time to dial in my game.


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I'm down for all dates except July fourth cuz 'Murica. In the event that there is a tie, maybe a hardpark off could be the deciding challenge. Give me some time to dial in my game.


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Just finally looked at all this.

So....do we have to bring a Mazdaspeed? Or whats the deal?
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Just finally looked at all this.

So....do we have to bring a Mazdaspeed? Or whats the deal?
I'll provide a proposal for rules/structure either tonight or tomorrow.
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I'll provide a proposal for rules/structure either tonight or tomorrow.
Sounds good.
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Proposed Rules!
Please provide feedback
Vote in the poll if you have not already!


Group with 10 points wins.

-Overall Competition-
-Drag overall-
5 points go to the lowest combined ET of top 3 contenders in a group
-Track overall-
5 points go to the lowest combined lap times of top 3 contenders in a group

-Race-specific Competition-
-Drag-
Quickest 60 – 1 point
Quickest RT – 1 point
-Track-
Highest Cornering G’s – 1 point
Most consistent lap times – 1 point

Call-Outs & Style Points
-Call-Out rules-
Agreed upon by two people from different groups (Al v IL, MI v AL, MI v IL) about any aspect of racing (single drag race, grudge matches, etc.) – 1 point to the victor's team per challenge. Limit of 3 points per team.
-Bi-Winning-
Team of the individual with lowest combined ET & Lap time gets 1 point.
-Meat-ball flag-
Team with the most broken cars gets 1 point.
-'Endurance' Racing-
Team with that consumes the most booze over the weekend gets 1 point.

Tiebreakers
In the unlikely event that two groups get 10 points, the team with the most points win. If two teams have exactly the same amount of points, then the group with the lowest combined 3 fastest ET’s & 3 track times win.




Details of events choices:

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1) May 27th/28th @ Black Hawk Farms (HPDE&Time Trials) / Great Lakes Dragaway

2) July 1st-4th @ Black Hawk Farms (HPDE&time trials) / Great Lakes Dragaway

3) August 26/27th @ Milwaukee Mile (HPDE&Time Trials) / Great Lakes Dragaway

4) Dates TBD @ Gingerman (HPDE only) & drag strip TBD



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Obviously gingerman is my choice, plus it's probably the most in the middle for Chicago and Detroit people. As for the strip, there are a few choices I think, but I've never been to either. I can post them later once I'm on a computer

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If we're going for broken, I can chalk one up for MI if I bring my Lesbaru. /s

I'm really in this to have a good time and that's about it. Something tells me a Protege5 won't exactly be quick on the strip, and so long as I don't throw a rod, it'll do "meh" on the track.

I have RallyCross race on May 27th, so any other date I'm down with.
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Originally Posted by KingOfSpades007 View Post
I'm really in this to have a good time and that's about it.
At a minimum your beer consumption helps with the 'endurance' racing points.

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Obviously gingerman is my choice, plus it's probably the most in the middle for Chicago and Detroit people. As for the strip, there are a few choices I think, but I've never been to either. I can post them later once I'm on a computer

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At a minimum your beer consumption helps with the 'endurance' racing points.



Do you have know of any groups that run time trials at gingerman?
It's hard to compare lap times in the middle of an HPDE session, due to traffic, instructors, etc.
I will contact them.

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Yeah, getting a clean lap can be a bitch sometimes at a crowded HPDE. There have even been times I'll only end up with one or two even at a somewhat sparsely attended CGI day...
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I think all that does is mess up the "most consistent laps" bit. Everybody will deal with the same traffic, and everybody should get a few clean laps. Make them count.

I would advise against BHF for a group of adrenaline filled amateurs with moderate HP FWD cars. It's not nearly as forgiving as Gingerman for run off, which I'm most likely to need.
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... so does this mean no one gets @mooseaidz; now??
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@mooseaidz; has never showed his face at a meet. He never has been or likely will be Nator of any sort.
who the fuck is mooseaidz?!?!?!
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I'll be gaming for that consistent lap time point. Gonna bring something fun to this.

The endurance point is mine. Shall I bring ze Malort?
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Update time:

I called and emailed the guys at CGI who run HPDE's at Gingerman, and while great guys they weren't enthused about us trying to take timed runs during their HPDE sessions and weren't interested in allowing us to do a short segment time trials between run groups. They cited insurance issues, even if we handled the logistics of the timed runs.
I'm not subverting the CGI's organizational authority so we can sneak in timed runs, but I'm not giving up on Gingerman a local for NATOR wars.

Those of you who are familiar with Gingerman @HawkeyeGeoff; , @MATT DAMOND; @maisonvi; give me an idea if there are other groups who might be more amenable, or at least I can talk to about this.
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Sounds like we need some celly phones with lap timers and not tell them we are doing it.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff View Post
Sounds like we need some celly phones with lap timers and not tell them we are doing it.
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I'm not subverting the CGI's organizational authority so we can sneak in timed runs, but I'm not giving up on Gingerman a local for NATOR wars.
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In the next few days I'm going to reach out to the Michigan people here to figure out how we can make this work in a legit manner.
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In the next few days I'm going to reach out to the Michigan people here to figure out how we can make this work in a legit manner.
I know it'd be one heck of a drive to AL, but we've got a local track (Little Talladega Grand Prix) that's cheap for private rentals and could easily support timed laps.

There's some tracks a little farther away (Indy or so) that might work too?
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GPS Track Time, LLC | Noncompetitive Driving Pricing is pretty great, and for a little extra you can get GPS timing. This is the group to run with for this.

There's a Gingerman date 1 month away. Other than that, I'd suggest ACC South in Sept, so there's plenty of time for people to get their shit together.
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