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[AnubisFSU]

Originally Posted by jbarone Still being tested and we're not in any rush. Winter has caused testing to run longer than we had anticipated as well. Testing is going great though. Stud kits are ready, just not online yet.

Any updates on injector seals?

[JBR]

Originally Posted by AnubisFSU Any updates on injector seals?

They good news...They have performed perfectly on cars ranging from stock up to 700hp.

The bad news..We have no plans to release them. Sorry.

[AnubisFSU]

Originally Posted by jbarone They good news...They have performed perfectly on cars ranging from stock up to 700hp. The bad news..We have no plans to release them. Sorry.

Just curious, what's holding you back from releasing a part that's performing perfectly?

[JBR]

Too much headache from a few members of the community that I don't need. I will leave it at that.

[Shwaykid]

Originally Posted by jbarone Too much headache from a few members of the community that I don't need. I will leave it at that.

Hopefully you change your mind when I'm finally ready to build an engine, in like, a year or two...

[Raider]

Told ya guys this would happen. Keep stirring and shitting on vendors, they stop making stuff for the niche platform that has not been made in over 2 years. And the drama not here, but facebook and elsewhere for multiple vendors will have them all pull up stakes and then we got nothing.

Good job. Take a bow.

[AnubisFSU]

Originally Posted by Raider Told ya guys this would happen. Keep stirring and shitting on vendors, they stop making stuff for the niche platform that has not been made in over 2 years. And the drama not here, but facebook and elsewhere for multiple vendors will have them all pull up stakes and then we got nothing. Good job. Take a bow.

Could something be done about repeat offenders on the forums? I'm all for freedom of speech, Constructive criticism and tough love for the noob's who cant read the welcome message. Comments with the sole purpose of talking shit about vendors should be punishable in some way.

[zjnspeed3]

Originally Posted by jbarone They good news...They have performed perfectly on cars ranging from stock up to 700hp. The bad news..We have no plans to release them. Sorry.

Are you able to reveal how much they would have been priced at? I was also looking forward to these..

I'm sorry about the headache. We aren't all like that. I personally love your parts and have 3 on my car plus your BSD and full EGR delete waiting to be put on the built motor!

[Shwaykid]

Originally Posted by zjnspeed3 Are you able to reveal how much they would have been priced at? I was also looking forward to these.. I'm sorry about the headache. We aren't all like that. I personally love your parts and have 3 on my car plus your BSD and full EGR delete waiting to be put on the built motor!

According to the OP, he was looking at $90 for the seals, + $30 for studs. So, significantly less expensive than the CS seals.

[zjnspeed3]

Sorry about that. Forgot it was on there. And that is a way better deal. @jbarone; let me know if you have any extras you need to get rid of!

[Raider]

Originally Posted by AnubisFSU Could something be done about repeat offenders on the forums? I'm all for freedom of speech, Constructive criticism and tough love for the noob's who cant read the welcome message. Comments with the sole purpose of talking shit about vendors should be punishable in some way.

You would need to talk to @Haltech;. If he believed there were one or more users that were toxic and bad for the forum and MSF community to the point vendors are leaving because of it (Not saying JBR is leaving MSF!!!!-just saying businesses will only tolerate it so long), he might do something.



Until then, this is what what happened to the 3rd gen protege community 12 years ago.



If you support the vendors, let em know. Let em know when you order you are on MSF. Because the more positive influence we as a forum can have, is to flood out the negativity with positive influence.

[Shwaykid]

My new JBR TIG is going on tomorrow with the help of NATOR San Antonio after a good valve cleaning. And my tools won't hit my TR8 intercooler with JBR FMIC pipes, because my JBR @Raider; Air Dam is sitting pretty on top.

[Raider]

*damn.

And I love mine.

[knocturnal]

That really sucks...I am all for his affordable prices and quality. Most of us on here are and i hope he takes that in to account. I was seriously waiting on these to drop and i still have hopes that they might. My car will never see 700hp anyway nor do i care to make that much power...tires spin like crazy with only 300...So with that said @jbarone; we here still support your ingenuity and great prices.

P.S. Still would like to know if maybe camber plates for the front or a PCV plate were in the works?

[Ma77]

I love to see another option for injector seals too if and when I do decide to upgrade them.

Until then though I will continue to run my JBR stuff loud and proud. Everything from him has been top notch and JBR has been very helpful with any questions I have. I have been injoying new intake and FMIC (piping kit) very much.

Keep it up!

[GCPhotographers]

Originally Posted by jbarone They good news...They have performed perfectly on cars ranging from stock up to 700hp. The bad news..We have no plans to release them. Sorry.

So what you have coming? What can we look out for...your supporters?

[Thepedigree13]

I just want to add to this thread.

I have a few JBR parts on my car and think the quality is top notch. I am waiting to see if edge is gonna have a weekly sell on intakes next week. Either way, next week I am buying the JBR Tru 3" intake, and the egr delete.

I might buy the JBR rear sway bar too this week, depends on any sales I can find.

I truly hope CS and JBR just let the shit talking roll off their shoulders. There a far more people here that support these guys. I think it is fair to let the MSF members know when there is a turd vendor, but bashing over minor problems should not be tolerated.

No business is perfect and so far the vendors I have dealt with here are extremely helpful and professional.

I SUPPORT MSF VENDORS.

[Ma77]

Here is hoping he has some secret down and test pipe in the works cause that is the next part I will be looking for.

[knocturnal]

Here are more ideas: oil cooler sandwich plate or maybe a whole kit. Front, mid and rear under body bracing. Rear spoiler spacers that maybe also incorporate new hardware that does not back out.

[Addikted To Boost]

@jbarone; dont let the shit talking get to you man, there are plenty of people who are very grateful for the parts you make, and are open to helping you create new ones. I myself would like to see you make a battery relocation kit to the hatch area. You could just base it of one of the kits already produced and make the brackets or whatever else is needed to support the battery. Would probably sell very well.

[JBR]

Just so everyone is clear....We have no plans to get out of the Mazdaspeed platform. We have a few pretty cool things in the works.

[Thepedigree13]

Just ordered JBR tru 3", OCC, and TIG. Keep making parts and Ill keep buying them.

[Ma77]

Originally Posted by Thepedigree13 Just ordered JBR tru 3", OCC, and TIG. Keep making parts and Ill keep buying them.

Your gonna love the 3" intake trust me.

[Thepedigree13]

Looking forward to it. I just don't feel confident doing the maf cals. I am not real computer savy.

[Ma77]

@Thepedigree13;

Have you considered an OTS+ map from Freektune or Stratified? They give you a map for any intake with the MAF calibrated . Depending on the options you get with the tunes they will even give you an additional map with the tune a little more dialed in. Is this a full tune no, but it is a great option for people who probably didn't need/want a full tune.

I did an OTS+ and the MAF cal was nicely dialed in on the second revision.


Edit: Looking at your mods you got I would even suggest a full tune you could get a lot out of what you got there.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by Ma77 @Thepedigree13; Have you considered an OTS+ map from Freektune or Stratified? They give you a map for any intake with the MAF calibrated . Depending on the options you get with the tunes they will even give you an additional map with the tune a little more dialed in. Is this a full tune no, but it is a great option for people who probably didn't need/want a full tune. I did an OTS+ and the MAF cal was nicely dialed in on the second revision.

If you're done buying parts. What if you get a fmic, tbe and meth in a couple months. Wouldn't it be a waste of money to do it that way? Get your hard parts and then tuned. Run free ots maps I til then.

[AnubisFSU]

Originally Posted by Spec If you're done buying parts. What if you get a fmic, tbe and meth in a couple months. Wouldn't it be a waste of money to do it that way? Get your hard parts and then tuned. Run free ots maps I til then.

Some of tuners allow the value of the ots maps to be put towards a full tune.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by AnubisFSU Some of tuners allow the value of the ots maps to be put towards a full tune.

That would be very much worth it.
Wouldn't make much sense seeing as how most people can't just get a couple parts and be good and not be able to use the tune in, if you're anything like me, 3 weeks.

[SparkySparks]

Originally Posted by Spec That would be very much worth it. Wouldn't make much sense seeing as how most people can't just get a couple parts and be good and not be able to use the tune in, if you're anything like me, 3 weeks.

The whole reason I learned to self tune was to hold me over till I finished buying performance parts.

Back on subject, Can't wait to see what you have planned @jbarone;

[GCPhotographers]

Originally Posted by jbarone Just so everyone is clear....We have no plans to get out of the Mazdaspeed platform. We have a few pretty cool things in the works.

Share....lol

We want to know

[knocturnal]

Just purchased map sensor and harness from JBR

[silvapain]

Originally Posted by jbarone Too much headache from a few members of the community that I don't need. I will leave it at that.

So you're going to forgo profits because you don't want to be criticized? That makes no business sense.


And FWIW, I don't recommend using studs for the injector hold down clamps.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by silvapain So you're going to forgo profits because you don't want to be criticized? That makes no business sense. And FWIW, I don't recommend using studs for the injector hold down clamps.

Perhaps getting shit on repeatedly by those loyal to other vendors both on FB and here achieved the goals set forth by those trolls.

I could only imagine how much shit TokeGay and his shitty fucking followers would spew in FB groups and on his wall like they did of the mere mention of them. Of course, referring to the competition's products of someone you like as "AIDS" does not make things look good either for the community as a whole. Especially since again, the production of this platform is dead.

that's my take on it.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by silvapain So you're going to forgo profits because you don't want to be criticized? That makes no business sense. And FWIW, I don't recommend using studs for the injector hold down clamps.

I could care less about profits. I'm not in this for the profits and never have been. And, I could care less about criticism. You don't need to worry about what makes good business sense.

And FWIW, I strongly recommend using studs for the injector hold down clamps.

[silvapain]

Originally Posted by jbarone I could care less about profits. I'm not in this for the profits and never have been. And, I could care less about criticism. You don't need to worry about what makes good business sense. And FWIW, I strongly recommend using studs for the injector hold down clamps.

*couldn't care less

Oh, I don't worry what makes good business sense. I'm a senior manufacturing engineer at an engine plant, not a businessman.

What's your reasoning for studs then?

Why I recommend not using studs:

1. One reason studs are used when wanting to bolt on to aluminum in cases where the bolt would be installed & removed repeatedly, as aluminum threads are susceptible to stripping out on repeated use. Injectors shouldn't be installed and removed that frequently.

2. Another reason studs are used is when the clamp load exceeds the spec for the base metal. The injector clamp bolt torque is below that spec for the thread pitch/diameter and base metal.

3. With the clamp design of the injectors, using a stud means that the injector has to be inserted and installed simultaneously with the clamp. As the o-rings on the injectors are high durometer, this means applying a great deal of force while simultaneously having to ensure the clamps are sliding up or down the studs and not binding. This is a difficult task.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by silvapain *couldn't care less Blow me Oh, I don't worry what makes good business sense. I'm a senior manufacturing engineer at an engine plant, not a businessman. Then don't make comments about what does and what doesn't make good business sense if you'er not a businessman. You're an engineer? Whats your license #? What's your reasoning for studs then? Why I recommend not using studs: 1. One reason studs are used when wanting to bolt on to aluminum in cases where the bolt would be installed & removed repeatedly, as aluminum threads are susceptible to stripping out on repeated use. Injectors shouldn't be installed and removed that frequently. Irrelevent 2. Another reason studs are used is when the clamp load exceeds the spec for the base metal. The injector clamp bolt torque is below that spec for the thread pitch/diameter and base metal. OEM spec is suitable for OEM seals and torx bolts are stupid. 3. With the clamp design of the injectors, using a stud means that the injector has to be inserted and installed simultaneously with the clamp. As the o-rings on the injectors are high durometer, this means applying a great deal of force while simultaneously having to ensure the clamps are sliding up or down the studs and not binding. This is a difficult task.

You condsider this a difficult task? LOL

[silvapain]

I didn't say I was a licensed PE, nor do I need to be one for my job. I'm not sure if you know what a PE is, but I suggest you look it up if you are asking for my license.

OEM spec is actually a standard specification for bolts of a certain diameter, thread pitch, and grade. We use the same standard here at Navistar International.

"... [T]orx bolts are stupid" is not sound engineering reasoning.

I don't know what "You condenser this a difficult task." means. My job is in part to design, install, and program hardware and systems to aid in safe, easy, and reliable assembly of Diesel engines. So yes, in my professional opinion, it's a bad design. We follow the "design for assembly" approach here, and if the design engineering team came to me with that setup, I'd reject it.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by jbarone You condenser this a difficult task? LOL

Statements like this has been the sole reason I have never purchased a JBR part. Good or bad, I do not want to support any business owner who makes comments like this. Your response is petty and offers no intelligent response to why you prefer to use studs.




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[JBR]

Originally Posted by silvapain I didn't say I was a licensed PE, nor do I need to be one for my job. I'm not sure if you know what a PE is, but I suggest you look it up if you are asking for my license. I'm well aware of what it is. And according to the "Engineers" around here you need to be licensed to be an "Engineer". OEM spec is actually a standard specification for bolts of a certain diameter, thread pitch, and grade. We use the same standard here at Navistar International. Not always "... [T]orx bolts are stupid" is not sound engineering reasoning. I never said anything about engineering. I don't know what "You consider this a difficult task." means. My job is in part to design, install, and program hardware and systems to aid in safe, easy, and reliable assembly of Diesel engines. So yes, in my professional opinion, it's a bad design. We follow the "design for assembly" approach here, and if the design engineering team came to me with that setup, I'd reject it.

This approach doesn't always apply in the real world.

[Gr8Speed]

Oh look, here comes the entire Damond engineering team. It's actually somewhat comical how much you are all showing the EXACT reason the seals aren't being released.

I just want to make sure we are all aware what vertical clamping force is in relation to rotational force. Now that isn't necessarily the motive behind studs being used over bolts, but a stud is a better fastener in an application where load is being applied at a high rate for an extended period time.

Plus we are all missing the point here, why are you arguing the design of a part that is not being released? Why does it matter?